Coriolanus
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@Txazz @LauraWalkerKC @ArcticWarrior So first...LiveFyre is giving me shit in Chrome. Boo. Second your question sounds as if you are asking why the brothers didn't show in a database for facial recognition POST respective arrest and shooting. So if that's the question..that's not the question I'm answering. I assume you mean why didn't they show up when flickr shots starting posting that were used for identifying people.
Two things in your statement: 1. Database 2.Facial Recognition. In order to be in a law enforcement database three things might have occurred. 1. You were arrested or prosecuted. 2. You gave your permission. 3. You are in it illegally. Excluding three, that means that one or both of the brothers either had to give their permission or been arrested. This contrasts with the DoD biometrically reading in thousands of Iraqi's. Americans are not Iraqi's for a host of reasons. An open investigation by the FBI is not immediately grounds for getting photographs for a database of sorts. It's typically barely enough to get the basic PII (Personally Identifying Information). You usually get photographed for your mugshot. That does go in a database. In fact...once you are in that one..you are in it forever. This leads to the second "thing".
Facial recognition. I have worked with a lot of these tool sets and the algorithms behind them. There is no POI (tv series) massive facial recognition that ties thousands of cameras together and that takes pictures of everyone in everyday places. Its not there and doesn't exist. Probably never will as long as we have citizen's rights. That shit is fucking straight up Hollywood. Even if there was...the government would lie to you all day that there wasn't so it doesn't really matter. When you believe bullshit like that..you actually help the FBI by making them seem prescient beyond what they are, thus fear affecting behavior of would-be criminals. Just because everybody says its true...doesn't make it so.Remember that the FBI will lie for a specific reason. They use the media to evoke a response from people or to try to affect suspect behavior. So they may tell the truth, some of the truth, or a lie based on truth. They sure as shit aren't going to tell the public dick about an open investigation. Don't like it? Bitch at your respective Congressman about government transparency.
Facial recognition right now is in its infancy. Yes, it can be easily spoofed. But more importantly it does not work without a baseline. Hypothetically, if we could look at all faces and instantly identify features...to what would we compare? It would have to be pre-existing photographs matched to database entries. If you haven't been arrested? Thus the sequence of events in this case. First Boston (and JTF) identified the UNSUBs and then found video, then released that to the public. If it were the other way around, there would be no requirement to release video surveillance to the public. They would have been caught immediately. So you say "Well they could compare to driver licenses". Sure, in one state, and frankly the DMV provides that information in the case of an open investigation where someone is clearly identified as a possible suspect. Its not an integrated system. It's the DMV system..and then a law enforcement databases. So lets' assume that media stories about the elder's arrest record are true. If it was in Boston, that has to warrant a move up to a federal database. If he wasn't convicted, that probably didn't happen. If he was..that's great. So now you have one database entry that you have to compare to photographs from the days events and cross cue to prevent you from arresting a subject that SEEMs like a perfect candidate. The fact that all this was done in a matter of days is actually pretty amazing. It suggests that your law enforcement is doing a pretty awesome job...not some crazy conspiracy.
Finally, with facial recognition you have two problems to overcome: 1. Coordinate invariance and 2. Deformation invariance. Coordinate invariance means you would have to be able to identify a shape as it contrasts or compares to plane of measurement regardless of ordinality or angular shift. Deformation invariance means you would have to be able to identify a shape regardless of change in the shape. So if you yawn or are angry or wear a hat or a bandanna a system would have to still identify you as you. Not easy problems. Neither of these has been overcome effectively enough to provide the level of fidelity that would enable us to identify a face in the crowd. Nothing beyond prototype. Although I would say we are getting very very close.
Some food for thought on facial recognition.
@ArcticWarrior border is just that. America and Mexico. Texas Mex... Not really Mexico
@hjw1dr @Coriolanus @ArcticWarrior By now that should be clear. That's already happening. Key is: So what? This will be demonstrated in the articles.. Not too much now.
Most of this is syncretic..again. Hard to separate Aztec pantheon and African ones...but Santa Muerte is a relatively new phenomenon. Traffickers with a fear of divine restitution used a mechanism to rationalize their "anti-Christian" behavior by adopting a syncretic idol to derive spiritual "peace". It doesn't really mean much realistically, since most Mexicans attend church, usually attached to Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe.
@Old PH2 @ArcticWarrior Uhh...what? I'm well aware of Santeria. Santeria IS NOT narco satanic. It is not just syncretic Yoruba tribal religion..although a vast majority is from this. We are conflating concepts here. Palo Mayombe and Santeria are two separate concepts. Narco "satanico" is not either but is easily conflated with Palo. No disinformation please.
@ArcticWarrior I defer to P.T. Barnum. Alternately, I'm aware of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@ArcticWarrior Never, ever, ever have a Cuba Libre with any rum that is not Ron Matusalem. If your rum does not have a cork in it, it is wrong.http://www.matusalem.com/en.html
@ArcticWarrior Sorry...too many Cuba Libres...typing is shit.
@ArcticWarrior My take is this: LOL. Michoacan is attempting to use a religion as a lever to grow a power base. It's not based on anything but an attempt at building a syncretism. In essence, they have seen the success of religious terrorism at motivating pre-disposed populations but changing a narrative. For a fictional analogue see Robert Heinlein's "Sixth Column" or look at a hagiographic account of Emil Mola. Lessons of history turned to contemporary strategy. So what's dangerous? People believing it. Creating a faith built on a narco-trafficking market/economic structure. Never been done, makes this topic interesting, potentially volatile. What if they are successful? Suicide bombers in the name of the Knights Templar of the familia Michoacan? Don't confused their narrative with the truth. The truth is they are propagandizing bullshit to create a hyper-loyal following.
@Contagio You are not reading into it. I do very little without purpose. Now think about what it means in the context of indirect communication to cartels.
@dmalert yup.
@dmalert Yup. We refer to that as logistical supply chain analysis. We do it..and there will be some but due to the Privacy Act, I cannot discuss specifically what you are referring to in depth. Inevitably, supply chain analysis goes into banks, PII, and where is what. That actually goes for any of us. Just tailoring expectations here. Not saying it won't be,but if you are expecting " house in Bermuda at the following address:"...you may be disappointed.
@dmalert "Certain cash businesses"? You mean remittance or value-based transfer systems? "Bearer nature"? VBT's don't have that..nor do remittances. What is "garden variety drug consumption"? What is that? Literally. One crack rock per day? Who are "some groups"? Fund what "things"? I can't ignore what I don't understand.
@dmalert Also..technically...the US dollar is a promissory note...not a bearer instrument. You would have been correct prior to 1971.
@dmalert What drug money is being used to fund anything within the US government? Please provide proof of said assertion.
@StormR Culture is very broad. Sociologically it is easier to choose demographic samples (cohorts). You can create various based stochastic data. Your question is part of a larger one which is: How do you taxonomically define cohorts within a geographic region? Is it tribes? Cartels? Family? Patriarchies? If what you are suggested is that there is conflict resulting from decreased social mobility and higher income inequality...then I would suggest yes. I mean the end state is class warfare...but not always.
@dmalert @JHR @shooten I have no data to support or detract from that. It's a supposition, but its fairly grounded.