GreenTip556
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@Liberty Flyer Advanced beatings! Also known as "my ear hasn't stopped ringing long enough to hear why he's beating the crap out of me! Time for some "wall love"! where'd that section of padded wall go? uh-oh...."
@SEAN SPOONTS @GreenTip556 Ahh the middle eastern music..."Hak-a-sha. Hak-a-hak-a-hak-asha..." and then it speeds up. I remember hearing "position" once. After that it was "proper posish!". Also known as "Sweet, no ones looking. Time to pretend I'm taking a dump so I can get this block out from under my ass and sleep until someone beats me!"
@ArcticWarrior GRAB RAGS!!!
Remember, if you can speak intelligently on the topic on SERE school, you've been called worse ;)
@TKW406 @9505 TKW, there's nothing wrong with a dissenting opinion either. The whole idea of this site is FREE exchange of information. 9505 is entitled to his opinion and voice. It is a valid concern to protect OPSEC. The irony here again is that there are not more people out there guarding this info like 9505. If there were in the past, I'm sure SERE grads would have a different attitude toward protecting stale intel. As far as "D-Bag" goes, I'm sure people on this site are thick-skinned enough to defend themselves or press on without too much offense taken.
@9505 While I Takenup no one's position here, I would say that I welcome the open knowledge. It's the worst kept open secret in special programs training. Everyone has the same scenario (hint:C-130s seem To go down a lot in the PDR), the course does not adapt as much as necessary, and all the confidential TTPs are now open source information. Short of resistance techniques, which the author did NOT mention, nothing isn't posted here that I haven't heard from people who haven't even gone to the course. Everyone knows exactly what happens their anyway which removes the intended stress/fear inoculation of evasion and captivity, which is the ultimate goal of the course. hopefully this prompts the change necessary to see that the course becomes the pants-shitting, infamous training course students are promised, but not delivered. It's a terrible thing when a piece of paper like an NDA doesn't hold it's weight because of, ironically In this instance, people who have been talking about it for years.
@Motojunky27 I had 2 Bird-Bearing SEALs in my class. It seems like they squeezed it in before they sent them to follow on training. Almost like an afterthought. That was back in '05 so who knows with all the changes such as the new rate and consolidated SQT curriculum
Anyone remember the "Juggernaut" at Warner Springs? That was a big bastard with some serious anger issues! Those "ration" didn't look that good anyways....lol. Although I must say, some of us could have had a career in rock gardening! Lovingly, War Criminal 51
Boots, boots, boots...all Glory to great nation of PDR!!!
Isn't Whalberg a little short to be playing Luttrell? Hope he has some big ass lifters in them boots. Definately an interesting concept though. I wonder how close to the truth Hollywood's going to keep this.
Also has Mike Murphy's parents have commented or offered and opinion on any of this? I remember reading a while back that his parents were upset and were not entirely satisfied that the accounting of events was entirely accurate when it came to the key event of deciding what to do when they got walked on by the locals.
In any event, I hope the story holds up true and that the gravity of their sacrifice strikes a chord with Americans so they focus less on the secrets and TTPs of things like Neptune Spear and more on the courage and integrity of a group of individuals that get back up everytime and truly embody a creed and ethos.
Not to beat a 16 year-old dead horse, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
She seems to have a bit of a history of lying on the backs of warfighters.... Just sayin....
This is the kind of stuff we should be focusing on in an election year, and instead America's all up in arms because Big Bird is pissed. Maybe I'm loosing the plot of life in middle-age, but the only reason I could think that this got GROSSLY overlooked was that DoS was worried about less important things than protecting it's American assets and personnel overseas. This has the stink of the Fallujah Massacre of the Blackwater contractors (in another fit of grotesque irony also claimed the life of Scott Helvenston, another SEAL as well as two former Rangers). And why? Because the concerns of the men on the ground have once again fallen on deaf ears or an answering machine in an empty office while people go play paperclip politics.
These men may have known the risks, but I'm sure they also were told that additional forces or security assets would be made available as needed. The old "if you ever need anything, don't hesitate to call!" line. And what happens? The call goes out and nothing happens. These gents were warriors and professionals. They don't say no, they suck it up and press on with the mission. Maybe it's time certain facets of the DoS head shed and other organizations with incongruant approval authority over operations start paying attention. Hopefully and investigation will roll enough heads or bankrupt enough political capital that they won't WANT the authority because it's a career bomb they may not be able to render safe if SHTF again. That will leave OPerators to determine how OPerations and missions get carried out. Something about that just seems right doesn't it?
I really hope that blurred guy pictured with Ware isn't part of this organization. He is a legit SEAL (ST10 or 8 I believe before a "circumstance" caused some issues with his career development because of some support doucher) and a lot of people came to his aid when he needed help (I myself held a picket sign outside of NAB Little Creek). If he was affiliated, I hope he didn't know.
Definately scum, but it emphasizes the reasons why such strict measures are taken to preserve OPSEC. The biggest problem I saw was compartmentalization of gouge or lack thereof. All it takes is a little financial distress and things like this happen. Cautionary tales such as IS2 Martin's (attached to JSOC no less) should not only be heeded but never repeated. There's too much free reign in the support and intel community. Some autonomy is necessary given the work being done, but better compartmenting of access to specific pieces of the puzzle insure that outside the gates, no one can provide a full picture.
The "Zero Tolerance" policy on drugs is ironically a rather grey area. The Zero Tolerance implies that "some action" must be taken by the command to deal with a positive drug test or admission of use. I've seen Sailor and Marines stay active duty after popping for cocainne and weed. In fact, I know an 0311 that popped for coke and received a maritorious advancement BACK TO SGT in less than 2 years. it happens.... Biker Coffee not withstanding, the Zero Tolerance drug policy is the least of Bissonnettes' worries.
Plus there's always been this belief that SEALs generally get "taken care of" in most situations (Bickle and others like himbeing the exception, even though he got off lite by many standards). Short of shooting the President (and really landing one), I don't think many active duty or even recently seperated SEALs would have much to worry about outside a violent felony. I'm not knocking it, but it's hard to ignore as well.
Bottom line is it sucks when there's this huge push to ingratiate the SEALs with the general public, grow the force, and spend money on both initiatives, and it gets pissed on by an issue like this. Whether or not SEALs want to be recognized for their accomplishments (and most are EXTREMELY humble and reverent of their actions) or not, a LOT of money has been put into their image by Big Navy and SOCOM that I imagine some public affairs guy or PR campaign pusher is seriously looking at the benefits of blood pressure medication in middle-age....
Prime example:
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/07/navy-intelligence-specialist-jailed-in-fbi-sting/
I knew the guy! Freaked me out. Good warning for people who think they're smarter than the purple dragon....
Interesting article! And fairly appropriate timing with Argos comming out in theaters soon. Espionage and Brandonberg-like tactics have always been useful, but much like with the namesake unit, the idea always seems to get shot down by higher, much more bureaucratic approval entities. There seems to be an aversion to either trust that the projected mission scope is vital or (and unfortunately more likely) to trust the unit or organization that would be performing the operations.
The Brandenberg units were a genius idea in that in a majority of their operations, it was a short-term ruse that was closely enough aligned with conventional forces that forward progression toward targets and objectives was possible, yet disconnected enough that personnel outside the unit didn't know, allowing for great OPSEC and compartmentalization of the unit.
In today's world of social media, iPhones, cameras, streaming, and digital communication, it makes me wonder what sort of measures would need to be put in place to allow operations like the Brandenberg missions to be successful. Would they even be repeatable with the speed information gets around these days?
Well having seen these oxygen theives at work in bars around the country, I think I know what they are after. In a word...
pussy
The best part is where they go to a bar like Hot Tuna in VB or one of the other "premiere" locations and a rather stout gentleman in unassuming attire asks the offender to discuss his "Space shuttle Door Gunner Seal Team 50 Recon Beret" career in a more remote location.....for some reason I almost always here sirens about ten minutes after that.....
Even though the "Deployment math" checks out, I would still ask for a paternity test...things happen during workups....just sayin'
Not to sound like a regs douche (but I probably will), but that Sailor should be at left shouder arms. Rifles are always outboard of the flag.....