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After reading through these comments, I have to say I'm pretty shocked.....I had no idea so many delusional nut jobs read FP.
@knighttemplar01 I don't even understand what it is you are saying here
@stringed My loyalties are with the United States. Period end of story......
@knighttemplar01 Just for starters, the inscription (The Collosus-by Emma Lazarus) on the Statue of Liberty was added after the fact at the behest of Pulitzer and other newspaper folks and has nothing to do with the United States "accepting resposibility" for anything.
I can't answer the rest of your ramblings because you appear to be irrational. Good luck to ya, see ya down on the farm !
I understand China extremely well and my loyalties lay uncompromisingly (and unapologetically) with what's in the best interest of the United States. I am a ruthless rationalist when it comes to foreign policy . Your comments ramble from Palestine back to the topic at hand, so I'll do my best to answer-
-I don't care about Palestine and neither should the United States, The Europeans created the problem, let them sort it out.
-The United States shouldn't be a haven for the "world's oppressed." Just an example of what a society can be.
-I don't understand your Tibet apology reference at all and will have to pass.
People like you are manipulated by the Chen's of the world and begin foaming at the mouth with inconsistent ramblings about the "duty" and "obligations" of the United States to every oppressed citizen of the world. Everything becomes our responsibility. Unless you plan on taking on every crappy regime and tin pot dictator globally, maybe you should grow up a bit and admit the world is a nasty place. Therefore, we should pick and choose our battles according to our interests.
If you had any concept of what the labels Liberal and Conservative actually mean, the first thing you would realize is that nothing in my position could be described as "Liberal."
@Barman Bar, I never addressed Poland or the Palestinians in any of my comments.
The guy made a run for it- and backed off after realizing the Chinese government wasn't caving in and he couldn't manipulate us into getting his family out. So we're now a "trampled entity" because we didn't let this guy drag us into a bar fight on his behalf ?
The United States is now a "trampled entity" because a local tried to drag us into a bar fight on his behalf and we opted (wisely) to stay out of it in our own interest ?
By the way, it's impossible to be a "Muslim" and a "Communist."
"We need to return to a country that doesn't aplogize, regret, or care how are friends or enemies view us." Are you serious ?
"We need to go back to our ideals and foundation." - Our ideals were to stay out of the conflicts that tore the great powers apart and bankrupted them financially and morally. To rationally pursue our own interests and not to entangle ourselves in others battles. Does no permanent alliances ring a bell ? A Friend to Liberty, but above all else, stay out of foreign wars.
"If he dies, his blood is on this administration." - If he dies, his blood is on a dysfunctional and alien ( to our ideals) Chinese society that has lived in a similiar fashion for thousands of years .
The American government actually did something smart by not inserting themselves further into China's internal dissident problems. Our government needs to make more pragmatic decisions like this, not less.
Spare me the bleeding heart retorts and "Captain America" psuedo superhero nonsense about how we're a shining beacon of liberty and justice and therefore obligated to play "world cop" all over the globe.
Instead, give me a concrete reason as to why, with all of the issues of genuine American interest to raise with China, we should involve ourselves in something they take extremely seriously; their sovereignty.
Anyone with even a passing aquaintance with China, understands just how seriously they take criticism- and loathe lectures by outsiders on Human rights ( they still haven't forgiven our support for the Dalai Lama.)
Our pal Chen timed his "great escape" to coincide with Clinton's arrival- abandoning the family he claims he fears for ; Scales a wall, and takes refuge in our Embassy creating an international incident while we're attempting to sit down with the Chinese government. He embarrasses both countries, and when the Chinese fail to cave in, chooses to leave the Embassy (the "throwing under the bus" most of you refer too.)
Chen then goes on to trash both countries in the press and give conflicting accounts of the ordeal during interviews with the international media. All the while, we have accomplished absolutely nothing in regards to OUR interests because we've been stuck negotiating the mess he created. It seems as though Chen took a gamble at OUR expense and lost. What should we do ? Send in the SEALS and snatch the whole family from the Chinese ? It amazes me how hatred for the administration blinds most of the commentors to what is actually in the best interests of the United States.