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@patti is ticked @mxdgeek @Samadhi@Paul Hue
That is literally one short line out of his entire speech. If you read the rest of it, you have to take it in the context of the time it was delivered and the mood in the country.
For her to call him a race traitor because he sided with Blacks is a racialist attitude that shows a clear emphasis on race as a determining factor in policy and behavior. However, her position clearly does not have a positive connotation to it, which makes me think that she is just as bad as these Black insititutions that she dislikes so much.
Funny thing is, if you guys actually read my posts, I have said in regards to this case that Zimmerman is not racist (in my book). I don't think Trayvon is innocent and that I will wait until I hear all the evidence before I make up my mind. Nevertheless, because I don't want to concede that Blacks are this failing race, who should assimilate in order to progress, and that we as a people are racist towards Whites because of the actions of some. Just remember 40million in America, The ten you know don't even make a dent.
You also say I do not speak for all Blacks. Duh. Neither do you all speak for all Whites, that's why I wouldn't make generalizations based on what I see here. No ONE, not even Jackson/Sharpton/Obama, carries that burden of representation. I am my own person, with my own mind, and the same goes for you all.
At the end of the day, all you guys are saying is that you don't owe Black people anything. I don't know what else to say either than, cool. Keep it moving, because we'll do the same. I've unfollowed this conversation because most of you are just showing your ass at this point, with your oversimplified judgements of Black America.
Have a Blessed Day.
It's funn you should say that about Dr. King because he would completely disagree with your bootstrap philosophy. He was the one who said "A debt is owed". The speech he gave at ONU in 1968 is presented in its entirety. A good read.
I am still shocked she called you a race traitor, for siding with Blacks. I guess that just shows how she really thinks. lol hey it's her burden not mine.
Nah you're leaving because you realize that you made a damn fool of yourself. Sleep it off mama, there is always tomorrow to try again. Sweet dreams :)
@Samadhi @SayItLikeItIs@mxdgeek
So why do you keep asking me questions then woman? Why ask me to explain Black culture than say it is too boring to actually read. Because you don't want to concede you are wrong.
Holy shit, this whole time I actually thought you were intelligent. You are so backwards, it's funny.
@Samadhi @mxdgeek@Paul Hue Dammmmnnn I can't believe you just called him a race traitor!
Like hell you haven't used that term before. Girl you probably say nigga and uncle tom like it's going out of style. I'm sorry, you have shown you're true colors. I thought you had this unique perspective, really you ascribe to racialist attitudes like the worst of them.
Lmao I can't believe you called him a race traitor!
How can I get insulted? She really just said it was too long, I can't lie that acutally made me laugh
@Samadhi @tennjed @Tiff44 @mxdgeek
Did you just complain that the post is too long? Lmao is that why you aren't reading them? Is it too much for you?
Lol I complimented Macklemore a white rapper from Seattle, whom is one of my favorites. And I got into an argument with Dunnie, a kid from my high school, who I know in real life. Get it together Mr. man
Sweetheart, what about the long post in which I explained Black culture. Defined culture and gave you examples.
No, I tried to explain why those institutions exist. And they are a part of the culture because it is a part of history. The were created at a time when Blacks were marginalized and unable to participate in mainstream culture. It is a part of American heritage. I also said the pageants are common among many different groups in America.
@Samadhi @tennjed @Tiff44@mxdgeek
I say you got home court advantage on this website since you all clearly share the same viewpoint. Right before that I said I wouldn't judge Whites based on the five people on this blog. Meaning I won't generalize. How does that imply you are racist? And I have said repeatedly that I AGREE the racial violence is related to Trayvon.
Honestly, all bullshit to the side, you are not acutally reading my posts at all. Because I explicitly said all of those things. Wow, that's wild.
Lol honestly, when she came at me like that I was thinking "Oh no she didn't, not after I took the time to write a thoughtful response." Haha
So I wrote:
"I'm not sayinig you're racist, so don't get hype."
And from that you get:
"I do find it amusing that you think that I am racist I knew that was coming. Typical of a black woman to pull the race card."
You just don't want to let go of your precious views. No matter my civility, further proving my point that you are rigid. You literally made that whole "race card" bit up, further proving you are using selective perception.
Again you see Sharpton, Jackson, and hear stories on the news of racial violence and that is how you form your opinion. It's so myopic, but honestly I don't blame you, you got home court advantage here.
I made the assertion that Blacks have their own culture. I provided you with a definition for culture, and then gave you examples of it. Black culture is different because it is an amalgamation of their African roots and European elements, a blend that was created right here in America. I never judged Black culture in relation to Whites as you assert (i.e. saying that I said it was so different from Blacks). In fact, I asked you to explain to me how the Black women at your job were NORMAL but that didn't mean they were 100% White, and what exactly made them different and you chose to ignore that question. You say progress is not eschewing all of Black culture, well than what parts are acceptable according to Dayna Gilbert? Please enlighten us.
Lol Reading is fundamental. You are guilty of selective perception, meting out the message that you want to hear. You resort to angry, hateful speech, just because I don't agree with your assertions. Dayna, I've seen your facebook pictures, yet, I have too much respect for myself and this whole community of comentators to resort to cheap personal shots. You may think you are progressive, but really you just seem stubborn. I have agreed with you on 90% of the points you made regarding reverse racism, racism, the Trayvon Martin case, and yet I'm a fool because I think Blacks have their own culture separate from Whites? You make generalizations on Blacks and their culture from your exposure to hoodrats at your job and a couple of the "normal"Black people you know now. And what the Black public figures, like Obama, Sharpton, Jackson? And the stories you hear on tv? That's your Black America am I right? Because you haven't said anything to me to suggest otherwise. I do answer questions, but I also rightfully demand that you come correct and not armed with assertions based on your association with what? a dozen (?) Black women and the people you see on tv. I certainly wouldn't make assumptions about Whites from the 5 people presented in this post. I'm not sayinig you're racist, so don't get hype. But you are so rigid in your beliefs that you cannot even see beyond your "absolute truth". That being said, unless you can answer the questions presented above, you have nothing more to offer at this point beyond petty jabs that are as stimulating as plucking the hair from my legs one by one.
@Samadhi @skeptykal_uv_everthang @Tiff44
Yeah it could be, that's a valid argument. With university admissions, they don't have to disclose the way in which they come to a decision. I will say that I was an excellent high schooler, top of my class with 2200 SAT, and leadership positions in acadmeic/sport/volunteer organizations. And my essays were pretty cool too (The admissions officer at NYU told me she loved them so I figured that makes it plausible). Honestly, I do believe that affirmative action is not implemented correctly but I agree with its purpose. The advancement of Blacks has to be a concerted effort between Blacks and the government. [And just to note, affirmative action, like welfare, benefits white women more than any group in America].
No, I understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree with you, @Samadhi And seeing that we are at this impasse, I bid you adieu. It has been a pleasure.
@Samadhi @skeptykal_uv_everthang
I agree, we can be whoever we choose. I apologize, I am just not that desperate for the validation of others that I need to "prove" myself to strangers, who are literally non-factors in my life. And quite honestly, the personal shots are sad and a bit high school-ish. It honestly just makes me think "oh here's another internet gangster/emotionally unstable person". I wrote this whole long response a few hours ago addressing that I honestly am trying to understand where you are coming from. Not trying to judge your character or intellect. I haven't called any of you racist/stupid and I have kept my cool in the face of all of these generalizations of Black Americans. Because I really take no offense to your positions, we are entitle to say how we feel. And plus, @Tiff44 you mentioned you talk to everyone here everyday. So I imagine this website must be important for you. I have never engaged with people on the internet whom I didn't already know in real life, prior to today, so I can't say I know what that feels like. I also would like to apologize for my dismissive attitude towards you. I'm better than that and I wouldn't want someone to do the same to me.
I have never met White people like you all and I appreciate your frankness in this conversation. Although this does not mean I am going to now think this is how all White people are because of the opinions expressed on this page. I see how upset you all are and I hope you can find peace. I walk away from this conversation a little more informed, but with my blood pressure stable.
@skeptykal_uv_everthang You wrote you were rethinking your "non-racist" notions against Blacks, called them "failures" and saying you are going to give up on them. To be fair, once you started spewing that hate, I stopped taking you seriously. No offense, I just know a losing battle when I see one.
You stated that Black beauty pageants are an example of the racism that Blacks practice. That there exists a double standard when it comes to racism, as Blacks act one way and ask to be treated another. And that there is this never ending use of the race card by Blacks to get out of any sort of personal accountability. Lol I get why you would think that I am dense, but as someone who has grown up in predominately Black neighborhoods my whole life, I can't agree with such a gross generalization. I WILL SAY Racial paranoia is real and so is prejudice/stereotyping/racism in our society period.
I didn't mention my education so that you would all "bow at my greatness" but rather just to show that I made it to one of the best univerisities in the country, and have a job that has allowed me to elevate my socioeconomic standing, without having to totally adopt White culture. In fact, my experience in college was my first time being a minority and I never even questioned my White peers or gave a damn about their race.
That being said, what is Black culture? Well this is just a basic rundown:
Black culture is a unique one in that it features a mixture of African tradtions passed down from slavery and European elements. For example, African cultures feature oral tradition, which can be found in the church. If you ever seen a service at an AME church, the service incorporates call and response, which is featured heavily in West African cultures. Even the way the preachers deliver their sermons is influenced by African oral tradition. Negro spirituals are also unique to Blacks as they are the marriage between European and African elements.
Jazz, Swing, Blues are all forms of Black music that found mainstream acceptance.Rock and Roll, doo wop, Soul, Go-Go, Rap, Funk, New Jack Swing are all forms of Black music, that are cateogrized by the incorporation of percussion, multi-part harmony, falsetto, and many other aspects that are found in these forms of music are derived from African culture. Also spoken word, which was founded in the Harlem Renaissance is a part of Black culture.
In terms of dance, Black dance is derived from the many ethnic dances of West Africa. With the rise of minstrel shows, dances like the cakewalk, jitterbug, etc. that originated with Blacks became popular with whites.
LITERATURE: Black literature are works written by Black authors. If you have ever read August Wilson, Toni Morrison, James Stewart, you will find a narrative of the Black experience in America. It arose out of the Black experience and the changing themes present inthese works overy time represent the changes in the Black experience in our country.
Language: Black Vernacular which is a legitimate language due to its logical structure developed due to the restrictions on education for many Blacks. Even educated Blacks code switch (go back and forth between Standard American English and Black Vernacular)
Funeral traditions are also different for Blacks. The most noted example is the Jazz Funeral in New Orleans, which celebrates the life of the departed rather than mourning the loss.
Another notable aspect of Black culture is the cool asthetic. It is a prominent aspect of the urban Black male experience. It is derived from the African aesthetic, which are standards that are ever present in African works of art.
I could go on, but it's late and I need to study. So I leave you with this definition of culture as defined by websters: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group. I hope that the traits I have outlined give you some understanding of what I mean by culture.
I hope you all have enjoyed this discourse. I gained a lot from it, and I hope you guys (considering we've been here for hours) did as well. If not, shame on you, as my mother always says "waste time and you waste a part of your life" - Best Wishes ;p
@Samadhi @Tiff44 @skeptykal_uv_everthang
I also thought this might cheer you guys up. A scholarship solely for White Males. https://fmafe.org/apply.html
Also, here is some more information on minority scholarships:
"According to a national study by the General Accounting Office, less than four percent of scholarship money in the U.S. is represented by awards that consider race as a factor at all, while only 0.25 percent (one quarter of one percent) of all undergrad scholarship dollars come from awards that are restricted to persons of color alone (1). In other words, whites are fully capable of competing for and receiving any of the other monies — roughly 99.75 percent of all scholarship funds out there for college."
@Tiff44 @skeptykal_uv_everthang
No, I just thought you didn't know how to spell it. Girl bye, no one wants to talk to you and yet you keep on trying. Move on, you starting to look desperate :/
Agreed, that's why I stopped trying to engage you in a meaningful debate a while ago.