@sasss31 well then if any country claims to be secular how come they treat others on the basis of religion?? and over simplify?? secularism or fundamentalism does not mean 'only what you practice' but also 'how do you treat others' and ''what is your tolerance level towards something different as well, with what you do not agree'' i mean diversity...uff why i am replying to you uneducated western (sorry israel is not in the west but in middle east) mockers
@DerekMarlowe so what about average western girls who start having sex at 12 and being often raped by friends,boy friends at parties/datings? and change sex partner (both man/women) i do not know how many times but more than 5 , i am sure...it is not promiscuity but civilized version of having intercourse with any one they wish to?
@JamesTitcomb @mahmoudseireg or may be a provocation?? as 9/11 commission report says 'the 10 years of Iraq invasion by the USA ' is one of the reasons to promote so many fundamentalists to have an attempt to do something like that, what USA was doing over decade. see Ron P. vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taqzzLRQ9wc
@rehanakn @sasss31 and what happens when a white women denies to have sex with her husband?? usually got raped which is not recognized but well researched in domestic violence literature
@MoizuddinGMuqri @sasss31 islam is the first and only religion to recognize, appreciate and reward women in every single aspect of life...unless the fundamentalists misled to interpret and misuse the Quran to reinforce patriarchy...the file is closed.
@sasss31 so how does your secular society treat your women, and most of all, any woman? see this write up Wendy Brownhttp://differences.dukejournals.org/content/15/2/1.full.pdf+html
please be informed first and then come to public place with evidence rather than cheap media based statements..to have an argument
@pingpongtee very well (western) media brain washed.
FYI, middle east also include the UAE. my sister works there as an international cabin crew who is musilm in faith and practice, drives her own car, never wears veil even when she is in Bangladesh(our own country by birth).
if ME has got no problem with women from other countries to 'do what they want to do', how come they do the reverse to their native women??
If so, as you stated, they must have had a headache to pollute their values and tradition and would have never allowed foreign nationals to do so.
Stop limiting knowledge on the 'highlighted part' of a faith, culture and society. which is manipulated by mockers like MONA E. Who are dying to just seek attention. Is there any debate where you can find people like her can establish a logical argument..rather than just throwing scattered examples?? NO
Think of your own issues in west..there are thousands of.. go join Slut Walk and other gender equality march..leave us muslim women to think of ourself by us..
@ummabdulla @sasss31 this was among the other steps to save so called 'mono-cultural' europe from the grasp of 'multicultural'ism, particularly 'islamization' of 'gonna be euroarabia'...indirectly
where in fact europe was never ever any single cultural country in its course of history.
some how, the west feels threaten by islam. may be because, they had to preach and bribe to convert people to chirstanity...where as people are self motivated to be musilm which makes islam a fastest growing religion these days.
@sasss31 @Abdul Ameer sorry but you are judging islamic countries just as having an image of talebani system..there are lots of islamic countries with loads of atheist and deist who are well established in societies and contributing intellectually.
people only deny the so called 'atheists' when they got phobic towards any faith and starts criticizing with over simplification....which in fact attack other people's faith and value
and to talk about Noble? that is the big joke and humiliation of Mr. Alfred Noble...specially in the name of peace...
@sasss31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-hTxDvRVlo&feature=related food for thought
@sasss31 go get a life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrG8ooymBKA&feature=related
may be you are unaware of Jew women who can not divorce ever...or Catholic Christian women who can not remarry after divorce..
@ummabdulla i guess because, a cheap exposure to certain poor wit audience who knows nothing except 'what media offers to them' to sell their hugely sponsored publications.
@LyndawithaY do you have any idea about any religion??
http://www.alternet.org/story/146287/ see how the christanity in church fuel paedophilia...child molesting...
@Dianna Wilson yes this is fact, let women choose and there are thousands of women who wear this by choice.
Hebbah is mechanical engineer (the woman in the debate with Mona), i guess she is not less intelligent than you, that some one can brainwash her to wear this??
And finally, do not be quick to judge to see some thing different. i find girls wearing artificial boobs+ 3 inches of blush on chicks to look pink (eventhough they are WHITE) to attract men/women Worse than slaves. As if your personality based on intelligence and knowledge is not enough to impress!!!
@Dianna Wilson @LifeIsAjoke well it is still 'who decides who is brain washed' ?
'if some one does not feel oppressed by their own practice' there should be no mandate for some one else to make them learn that 'they are oppressed'...otherwise, it will also be another form of 'brain wash'.
Unless any one feels that 'she should be rescued'...and Niqab is something, you can hardly impose to wear it over some one, as this is really difficult to carry such distinct feature of dresscode....untill you are confident enough with what and why you are wearing this...so i do not believe any way, tha niqab has got something with empowerment
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military?INTCMP=SRCH what about this??
to the Foreign Policy: Can you stop for a second to use 'Veiling/Niqab' as symbol of violence??
What is the point to publish a nude female figure to portray 'islamic version of a woman'?
Stupid model does not understand the Misogynist editor's idea of double objectifying of women by using the idea of liberalism.
and to Mona, I thought you would have improved your intelligence after this debate.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWJRam64dQY.but i forgot you 'write for a particular group of audience' rather than truly 'observing and knowing' the fact
may Allah bless you
this is the most ill-prepared illustration to claim any ,i should say perception of the researcher, i have ever came across.
My country Bangladesh is shown as 11-15% difference between male female in secondary education and some legal restriction on female education!!! Whereas the fact is 'the secondary enrolment is higher for girls than that of boys in Bangladesh'seehttp://www.bbs.gov.bd/Home.aspx.
and there is literally no legal restriction for any one from any kind of background irrespective of sex/ethnicity/religion/color to take part in any form of education'' see http://www.right-to-education.org/country-node/302/country-constitutional...i wnder, how this person can be an academician in the USA?
Another point i should definitely mention, it is not the secondary education attainment or any number that defines what place is to be best/worst..there are thousands of intertwined factors that vary place to place(i mean contextual) to make women/men feel 'to be at best/worst'
Think about the contraception burden on girls/restriction on abortion/intimate partner violence/bullying based on physical beauties at schools/sexism in media against female politicians, anorexia,....and most importantly read Betty Freidan's 'Feminine Mystique'...to understand what is going on with women in the USA