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@Aprenous @fayezoz @Abdul Ameer
Aprenous wrote: "Muslims have very much tried and succeeded to force Islam—via aggressive jihad—on unbelievers. First from Arabia throughout the middle east, then on to Africa, east India and even parts of Europe."
Let's not forget their conquest of Asia ... they pushed on, conquering Iran (Persia) and forcing the Zoroastrians to convert. Most were butchered. Buddhists & Hindus were also attacked. Pakistan, India, present day Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc., were all overrun and conquered.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us
@fayezoz @Aprenous @nickello
fayezoz wrote: "The Muslim religion is again the FIRST to recognize Judaism where Abraham and Moses are revered prophets and Christianity where Jesus Christ is revered as a prophet and the Virgin Mary as a Saint ..."
First, if Judaism is recognized and prophets "revered", Jesus Christ "revered", and the "Virgin Mary" as a saint, then please explain the following?
In the Hadith Muhammad said: 'The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh, Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!" (Bukhari 4.52.176 & 177, and 4.56.791.)
Muslims have been persecuting and killing Christians for centuries. It continues till today! Just Google "Islamic persecution of Christians". Right now, the islamic government of Sudan is slaughtering the Nuba people of South Kordofan state, in southern Sudan. They are mostly Christian.
AND: Since they do NOT recognize Jesus as the Savior and Son of God, why would they recognize the "Virgin Mary"? They desecrated cathedrals with images & statues of her.
As for "I will however comment that when the pastor in America had a burn the Koran day no Muslims suggested reciprocating as the Holy Bible is Holy to Muslims as well."
REALLY?! Is that why possessing the "Holy Bible" is a CRIME in islamic countries? Why the Bible is not even ALLOWED TO BE PRINTED in islamic countries? Why it is routinely confiscated & the person in whose possession it was, subject to arrest, jail & even execution?
Here's a comparison of Christianity & Islam ...
Some good questions & answers here, for those interested in FACTS! http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/183668
A lie, repeated often, remains a lie!
@amanydahab @Emsa Funny, you attack my rebuttal by pointing out that I misspelled her name (Big deal, a typo, cause I'm tired, just got back from work)-- How does that change anything?
As for "she is smart Muslim woman who can know that what is being done by the name of Islam has nothing like Real Islam," -- if that is indeed what she believes, -- then she is neither "smart" nor "knowledgeable" -- but BRAINWASHED!
Or perhaps, afraid to "Criticize islam" since calls for death are common & frequent, against those who criticize or "insult" this hypersensitive "religion"!
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a good example of this .... she travels with bodyguards, & requires protection 24/7 ... She also states, emphatically, that islam & the teachings of mohammed are the CAUSE of all the problems!
11 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us
@amanydahab @Emsa I don't recall saying that ONLY muslim men kill their women -- I DO recall saying that -- islam encourages violence against women, by permitting men to BEAT THEIR WIVES; REFERRING TO THEM AS TILTH, TO BE PLOWED WHENEVER & WHEREVER THE MAN DECIDES HE WANTS THEM; that little girls are SOLD INTO MARRIAGE AS PART OF ISLAMIC PRACTICE; that WOMEN HAVE THEIR GENITALS MUTILATED TO PRESERVE THEIR "CHASTITY"!
These are all ISLAMIC PRACTICES, which violate women's rights. Women are "Killed for 'honor' by their brother, fathers, husbands, etc." and the authorities DO NOT ARREST OR CHARGE THEM! Often, female relatives, including MOTHERS & GRANDMOTHERS trick the victims into "coming home", in order to help the killers get their victim!
Compare that to the Violence YOU refer to; Yes, these unfortuante crimes happen -- BUT THEY ARE NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIAN OR JEWISH PRACTICES! Nor are they condoned by a 7th Century ARCHAIC, PATRIARCHAL "Code of Law" & touted by Pastors, Priests or Rabbis, as appropriate behavior!
The abusers are apprehended, CHARGED, and if sufficient evidence exists, are convicted & sentenced to anywhere from life without parole, to the death penalty.
I see you're STILL not tired of offering excuses. You remind me of ancient Greek mythology -- when a messenger brought the king a message he didn't want to hear, the king would kill the messenger!
Islam NEEDS TO CHANGE ... The West does NOT need to change to accomodate islam! It's the 21st century. While many "secular", non-practicing muslims recognize this, the rest aid & abet the violent ones by rejecting any criticism, and basically "Shooting the messenger" who gives them the information they need to bring about MUCH NEEDED CHANGE!
@JimGrab @amanydahab @Aprenous In addition, there were Japanese "Holdouts" who refused to surrender, or did not believe that Japan had surrendered.
"Intelligence officer Hiroo Onoda, who surrendered on Lubang Island in the Philippines in March 1974, and Teruo Nakamura, who was stationed on Morotai Island in Indonesia and surrendered in December 1974, were the last confirmed holdouts." From the article below -- That's TWENTY NINE years after the end of WW II .
@amanydahab @Emsa amanydahab, The GLARING problem with your "rationale" is that while the US actually HAS statistics -- BECAUSE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS CONSIDERED A CRIME ... and is punished as such -- Islamists keep no such records -- because mohammed permitted men to abuse women, little girls, etc. And since he's considered the perfect man & perfect "role model" for the men to follow -- Sharia EXONERATES THEM & tells them as long as they "maintain" them, it's all good!
All your mealy-mouthed excuses do not change the facts. The "Educated" idiot in NYC, who beheaded his wife, called the police, calmly told them he had killed her, and waited for their arrival -- as if he had done nothing wrong!
You folks are so brainwashed, that you as a woman (IF you are indeed a woman) are actually attacking Monica Eltahawy for telling the truth!
@StrPiningit Which islamic country can even address a concept like "Modernity"? Lol. A "religion" which proscribes "toilet etiquette", hahahhahhaha!
We are talking about a "culture" which thinks chopping off alternate arms & legs for stealing is appropriate ... or throwing stones at someone who had an extramarital relationship ... or flogs a woman (or worse) if she doesn't cover her hair ... but thinks it's okay to slice up a little girls genitals, or marry off a small child to an old perverted man, etc.
I'm sure I could find at least a million women who wouldn't mind accepting slightly less pay, and foregoing beatings, violence, abuse, genital mutilation, etc.
My goodness, you ARE a silly little boy!
@Abdulameer We could also use this help on Care2, a Leftist "caring" website/social networking site ... many on there are islamoApologists, spreading disinformation about the "religion of peace". There is a small group of us that constantly locks horns with them -- and educates other members to islamization, what this Totalitarian Ideology is all about!
Fortunately, more & more folks are waking up to the truth -- many of my friends & acquaintances have joined Act for America, etc.
@StrPiningit Muslim men do not even ALLOW their women to work ... after all, according to your "prophet", the men "maintain" them. Which even gives them "the right" to beat them, "banish them to their beds alone", get three additional wives, etc., etc.
If they do work, the husband takes the whole paycheck. I know; I had to help a muslim woman with this problem -- and then I had to help her find a battered woman's shelter, because she DARED want a little of her hard-earned money. I guess he realized she was tired of being abused, and wanted to set aside a little money, in case she had to flee!
Oh, and yeah, the lazy ass asked me to help him file for "disability" ... said he had "Toe Nail Fungus" -- yeah, that's not a typo. He claimed "his feet hurt"! Thirty years old, asking a person, much older than himself, to help him get "disability", cause his feet hurt!
I told him I'm 30 years older than he; my whole body hurts; and I'm not filing for disability ... so I think his toes will be okay. Get some "Fungicure"! Lol.
@amanydahab @AnyaKhan FIrst of all: Your constant references to the "native peoples of America" are LAUGHABLE! YOUR LOVELY MUSLIM CULTURE WOULD HAVE DECAPITATED THEM FOR BEING IDOL-WORSHIPPERS since they worshipped a "Great Spirit", the "Brother Bear" & "Brother Wolf, eagle, etc."! Like the Sudanese African Animists, who were butchered by the Muslim Arab Janjaweed in Darfur ... and now the Christians in the Nuba Mountains of Sudan! HYPOCRISY!
Second: The Native Americans were not exactly PLAYING at "Cowboys & Indians" -- they were warriors, and raped & killed the colonists -- even those who were simply minding their own business & trying to raise a family on the Plains! They used axes -- called Tomahawks, scalped the settlers, stole their women & children, and often sold them into slavery!
Third: The US Government made treaties, established lands/reservations for the Indians, and set up programs to undo some of the damage done. They were at war with the Indians, and yes, there were deaths -- ON BOTH SIDES -- but reparations were made.
Today, there is a government department called the Bureau of Indian Affairs. "The United States has a unique legal and political relationship with Indian tribes and Alaska Native entities as provided by the Constitution of the United States, treaties, court decisions and Federal statutes. Within the government-to-government relationship, Indian Affairs provides services directly or through contracts, grants, or compacts to 566 Federally recognized tribes." from the official website.
The Native peoples have mineral rights on the reservations; they have schools, hospitals, casinos, etc., to make a living, to preserve their culture, etc..
COMPARE THAT TO WHAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE OFFERED THE DHIMMIS UNDER CURRENT GOVERNMENTS! Oppression & violence is non-stop. The "infidels" have never been compensated for destroyed homes, churches/synagogues, schools, WHOLE COMMUNITIES such as the Armenians in Turkey ... Even the GENOCIDE is STILL denied by the "moderate" Turkish government!
If the Persians in Iran, decided to revive Zoroastrianism, would the mullahs & ayatollahs allow it?
11 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us
@amanydahab @Emsa wrote: "Those men never got sufficient education or work that can cover their families needs... they try to cover this by creating an image of the superior males."
amanydahab, do you EVER run out of excuses or get tired of offering them? If you are not part of the solution, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
Education has NOTHING to do with it. It has to do with INDOCTRINATION at an early age. And if you are an example of a typical muslimah, you aid and abet your men in abusing you and all other women. STOP MAKING EXCUSES, -- START DEMANDING JUSTICE!
The story below is of an "EDUCATED muslim" who beheaded his wife in NY. He was the owner/director of a TV Studio called "Bridges", which was supposed to educate non-muslims & build "bridges to the muslim community"! She wanted a divorce -- something I keep hearing muslims tell me is ALLOWED IN THE KORAN!
@Aprenous Thank you Aprenous, for your eloquent, accurate & concise history ... oh if only the islamists read & knew the REAL history, before they spout off the disingenous "outrage" and the supposed "misdeeds" of the West -- twisted to suit their advantage!
I can't help but wondering, what "history" books they are reading, to be so incredibly ignorant of events since at least the first World War!? How insane, that they twist not only their own "history", but further, try to place blame on the West for trying to end wars more quickly, and even going so far as to exonerate those who caused the violence!
I am also very amused, that while they try to defend Japan's unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor, and judge the US use of the Atomic Bomb, their terrorists are trying to get the technology so they can unleash unprovoked attacks against civilian targets. In the meantime, Japan and the US are ALLIES ... I guess the Japanese recognized the reasons for what happened during WW II, and have come to consider us FRIENDS! The US helped rebuild Japan -- stimulated their economy, etc.
Which islamic country has EVER rebuilt ANYTHING they've destroyed?! NONE! The destruction continues, their "leadership" becomes more and more corrupt,; the people become more ignorant & more impoverished! Every "election" brings worse corruption & incompetence.
And they continue to point fingers at the free world and call US "Satan", immoral & corrupt! What happens "in the bedroom" seems more important to these sex-obsessed people -- than what is done to the people who live in those bedrooms!
@JimGrab @Aprenous JimGrab wrote: "Like I said - they all need to be killed!"
No Jim, this is not what Christ would call for ... He told Peter to put away his sword, and healed the Roman Centurion's ear -- even though He knew that this man had come to arrest Him, and what lay in store for Him!!
I have a friend, who is a devout Christian ... He has managed to convert some 30 Iraqi muslims to Christianity. He reads the New Testament with them, while they read the koran. They compare scriptures, talk about their "faith" ... The words of Christ stand in such stark contrast to the words of mohammed, they realize that they soon realize they've been lied to! They know that their people need to change; that their culture causes death & destruction, pain and suffering.
His love and compassion for these lost souls, has done more to convince them of their need for salvation, than any tough political talk. And now they, being such changed people, are showing a good example to their friends & family, and making positive changes in their lives.
It's like Mahatma Gandhi said, "Be the change YOU want to see"!
We have to be cautious, and we have to tell the truth about islam -- but it is not a solution to hate muslims & wish death to them. They are the unfortunate descendants of people who were forced under brutal conquest, to convert.to islam. Now, we in the West, have to show them a better way!
@Aprenous In reply to your quote: "You are so typical, its amusing. Isn’t lying unIslamic?"
No, Aprenous, unfortunately, Lying is VERY islamic ... in fact, the Arabic words "Taqiyya" or "Kitman", which are often used interchangeably, are a form of deception in which one conceals the truth, in order to gain the element of surprise over an opponent. These lies are meant to protect a muslim from danger, persecution, etc., but are in fact usually told to gain the upper hand. This would explain the lies the West is fed about islam's "peaceful" intentions. One statement in English/Western languages -- a totally different "translation" in arabic.
The UK "imam" Anjem Choudry, is one of few "honest" islamists who boldly declares his intentions, his views on the West, his desire to subjugate us, his total acceptance of every aspect of sharia!
@amanydahab @Aprenous Very interesting ... you mention "destruction of temples and monuments", but not the sort of wholesale slaughter of people, rape of women, enslavement of women and children -- as was brought on the civilians who were forcibly subjugated under mohammed & islam!
@JimGrab @SojournerTruth Excellent point. Furthermore, try getting an explanation about the "Satanic Verses" ... Can you imagine Jesus writing verses about his confrontation with Satan in the desert, after his "Temptation"?
Mohammed seems to embrace -- and then later rejects -- what he claims to have heard. While Jesus rebukes Satan, and puts him in his place, right then and there. No need to backpedal!
That's what all the fuss was about in Salman Rushdie's work of FICTION, for which he was under death threat! Apparently, the "Satanic Verses" made mohammed appear "bad", and therefore "insulted islam", resulting in yet another "fatwah"! Now there's a "religion" that feels secure in its teachings! ;-)
@amanydahab @Aprenous RE: "(256) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Al-Baqarah / The Cow verse 256"
You know very well that this verse was ABROGATED by verses written AFTER this one. This verse was written when the muslims were weak & needed to "get along" with the people they were living with at the time.
Then, as today, once the population grew & became significant, the aggression & violence began in ernest -- a "reign of terror" ... then and now~!
12 months ago on Conversation @ http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us
@amanydahab Citing rape statististics is all good and well, but there are several factors which you have failed to take into account.
1) Rape is a CRIME in the West, and the RAPIST -- not the victim -- is punished for this crime!
2) Since a woman can be murdered for being a victim -- there are no accurate "rape statistics" from islamic countries ... we DO, however, know about the women who DARED to challenge the system, reported the crime -- and some found themselves buried to their waist, with a crowd of rabid rabble throwing "the right sized stones" at her, so she doesn't die too quickly, or survive "her punishment"! These are called "Hudood Ordinances" for crimes of "Zina"!
Gang rape, in particular, is used as "punishment" for "offenses" committed by male relatives. The women are targeted for "punishment", not once, but often three times. First she is subjected to the horrors of being raped, by GANGS of men, the assaults lasting for hours. Then, if she reports it to the police, she is often raped at the police station, by another gang of "men"/police. And if that isn't enough, she can be charged with adultery & executed, or murdered by her family. Is it any wonder that rape is common? The men know they can rape with impunity!
The link below is about a brave woman who was gang raped by 13 men. Her little brother was sodomized in a sugar cane field by the father of the girl he loved!
In many instances, the rape victim is murdered by her own "loved ones", to "protect the family honor"! The rapist, apparently, doesn't have to worry about "honor" ... the man "can't help himself", so of course, it's the woman's fault!
3) In Europe, in particular, the victims of rape are native Europeans -- while their rapists are MUSLIMS! This is especially true in the Scandinavian countries, Norway, Sweden, etc.
@SojournerTruth Here's a good "example" ;-) Asmaa bint Marwan
@amanydahab.... but while Saudi Arabia is not practicing female circumcision to reduce temptation, it is common practice in upper Egypt and countryside in both Christian and Muslim Families."
The article below should shed some light on this MIS-information! The title and sub-title of the article: "Female genital mutilation denies sexual pleasure to millions of women: Two doctors in Saudi Arabia want to change cultural attitudes to female genital mutilation by gathering evidence of its links to sexual dysfunction."
According to the article, written about the Saudi doctors: "Crucially, the illumination came from two specialists in reproductive medicine within Saudi Arabia, a country where FGM is frequently practised."
For more, read the full article at the link below.