Phillip Coffey
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@johnrivera12 Thank you John. I do indeed understand what you are getting at. It is like trying to explain apples to oranges. I know no other word but His and for this purpose I use the KJV because it is the most widely used (this coincided with the advent of the Gutenburg style printing press). For the first time in history the bible could be mass produced. BTW, the first ENGLISH bible was the Exeter bible, which preceded the KJV by nearly 100 years. I also believe that God's word never goes out void, there is ALWAYS someone who benefits from hearing it. I would love to be able to read the original text, but I (like you) do not read or write Hebrew, Aramaic, Sanskrit or Greek. The verse that has kept me going is 2 Timothy 2:15, "Study, to shew thyself approved UNTO GOD, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." I study to honor God. I work diligently to see where and how words are used elsewhere in the bible to verify their intended meaning. I cross reference them with dictionaries that translate from the original text to English. I reiterate, if someone proves me wrong, I will be the first to admit I am wrong and thank them for showing me the error of my belief... but until someone does, I will continue to study as God would have me do, not man. Why is it that the word religion is only in the bible 3 times and the words faith and believing (often the same Greek word) are used literally thousands of times. There is ONE thing of which I am absolutely sure of... come Judgement Day, we will all know.Thank you for posting Mr. Rivera. Always remember that a soft answer turneth away wrath. While I may agree or disagree with you, I will always try to keep it civil, but I too am human and subject to all the foibles that entails. Godspeed amigo...
@Rob W @DavidStevens @PatriciaTienkenBoman I expected nothing less. Where you cannot refute the Word, attack the messenger. You understood none of what I said and obviously all that matters to you is sarcasm and innuendo. If what was written is not plain enough for you, then get out your pen and paper and enlighten us with YOUR knowledge. I am sure it will prove to be at the least entertaining and at the most self-serving. I am also well versed in sarcasm. As for you Patricia, I never said ANYTHING about not loving your son. I am sure God loves your son, however, He made it plain what is expected of us as Christians and if ALL of us were meant to go to heaven, then why have the word in the first place. We would need no guideline. Jesus said, "For the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives but to save them...," Luke 9:56 & 59-62, "And He said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the Kingdom of God. And another man also said, Lord I will follow thee, but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And Jesus said unto him, NO MAN HAVING PUT HIS HAND TO THE PLOUGH, AND LOOKING BACK, IS FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD." Again, not my words, but His. Perhaps it is you who doesn't understand.
Then prove to me I am incorrect. I am not intractable. I have been studying since I was very little and what I have gotten out of ALL of this is that you want people to accept that even though "for this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.", that this it is not a sin. You do not want to accept God's word as gospel, so you twist it to fit what you want. By your reasoning then, it is okay to be a murderer if you ask God for forgiveness afterward... or the same for stealing, or committing adultery. That is fine, let us wait until Judgement Day. It is not my call. I do not have to answer for your transgressions any more than you have to answer for mine. Go to Romans 1:26&27 and see it for yourselves in black and white. Matter of fact, start at verse 24. This is the Gospel, and I copied it word for word.
@Rob W @DavidStevens @PatriciaTienkenBoman Thank you for proving my point. In your little diatribe you used all three.
@Rob W @DavidStevens @PatriciaTienkenBoman Thank you for proving my point. In your little diatribe you used all three.
@DavidStevens @PatriciaTienkenBoman Prove to me that it is wrong. (and btw, I was paraphrasing)
@PatriciaTienkenBoman The devil works in three basic ways to refute the teachings of Christ and the word of God. 1) he adds a word. 2) he leaves out a word. 3) he changes a word. Jesus never said ANYWHERE that He hated gays. That is a man's opinion. What He DID say is not left open for debate. It is stated clearly in Romans 1:26&27. Coupled with two other verses (2Peter1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation") (Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man that He should lie, nor a son of man that He should change His mind.") we have a foundation for truth. Nowhere does it say anything about hate. What it says is that He has given them up. They have chosen their lifeline and they alone are responsible for their actions. Go back a couple verses in Romans and see what God thinks about this. It is not your fault. It is the devil, and anyone who doubts the devil's existence cannot believe in God. The devil is the master disbeliever. He can twist anything by adding a word, omitting a word or changing a word. That is how he operates. Jesus came as the lamb of God, and He died for our sins. So how can someone who practices sin on a daily basis ever believe that God doesn't have a problem with it? Did not Christ tell the prostitute to "go and sin no more"? God knows I am not without sin and I am not about to stand and cast the first stone, but where do you draw the line? When people take it upon themselves to say that what God has said is not what God meant, then who are they serving? I cannot imagine what you are going through, and I pray for you to be at peace in your own life. I don't have a problem with someone being gay. It is their choice and I would die defending their choice, but don't try to tell me that God is wrong and don't try to have me believe it is not a sin. What you choose to believe is your choice, but that alone does not make your choice right in God's eyes. They twist His word to fit what they WANT to believe... and who does that sound like? He is your son, love him accordingly, but Christ is your savior, what do you owe Him? Godspeed Patricia, it is not an easy thing, but in your heart you know what is right and what is a lie.
@CurtisBeauJackson @ThomasRoss hear you. truth is the first casualty of opinion.
@Ono no. it was not. it was directed at the one who feels that "works" are what matter. sorry. i know what you mean about the feed.
@ThomasRoss @Belle1 how about Romans 1:26&27, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men working with men that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."
@ThomasRoss @Belle1 how about 2 Peter 1:20? "Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
you know i would swear it said "not by works, lest one should boast..."
@JCAaronHolyManPayne HAHAHAHA!!!
@evan88 you are entitle to believe anything you choose... again i will say that God is the judge and i am content to let Him decide how many are called and how many are chosen.
it appears to me the reason they target ex-gays would be that they still claim it is NOT a choice, so when someone comes out and actually does it...
@aaronlostatsea when you add a word, or omit a word you change the word. there is too much of that going on. it's called religion. if you don't know the word, then how can you share the word? either accept it as it is written or go your own way. no one is forcing you either way.
so true. "if" they were truly a Christian, they would be out to help them. Jesus was TEMPTED as all men, so i feel sure that this came up in His lifetime.
@Squeakflea amen. agree or disagree, but be civil. we each have our own thoughts and designs. they are going to be different. love is and always has been the answer. what most of us fail to remember is that it is a spiritual battle and not one of flesh and blood. it must be fought on a spiritual level. the strongest man i know only has one leg and has trouble standing, but he knows what true strength is. God's blessings on you...
@An imperfect Christian what you are feeling is common among all people, the only difference is that you can see inside yourself, but not others. you cannot see the troubled thoughts of indecision or the mistakes others have made over the course of a lifetime. my heart goes out to you, because it is the heart of the Christ. it is the "inside job" of God in Christ in you, the hope of glory. it is the dwelling place of the Lord. we see our physical actions and reactions and think we are horrible people. God sees us as His seed and we are merely stumbling with our understanding. we look at ourselves through the MOST critical eyes, because we see what we CAN be and then we see what we are... and the disparity we see is disheartening. do not despair. i don't know how accurate this is, but it makes sense to me... if you cannot work yourself INTO heaven, then you cannot work yourself out. it says in Peter that it is an incorruptible seed. i said this before on here earlier, that when you accept Jesus into your heart, it is a done deal... so why do we continue to sin? becoming a Christian does not mean you automatically become perfect (otherwise how would we be any different than the Lord Himself?). you aren't whisked away to the end of days, when our Lord returns. you are still on the treadmill. what has changed is your spiritual outlook. you don't live for the past or even for the present, you live for the life everlasting. you live for love. EVERYONE will stumble. everyone will fall. this is why we fellowship. "two are better than one, for if the one falleth, the other is there to help him up, and a three-fold cord is seldom broken." you must be coachable, you must be honest, you must be loving and you will still stumble... and you will still fall. Peter denied the Lord three times before the cock crowed. was he a good Christian? he was one of the best. don't beat yourself up so bad. every day be one step closer and fellowship DAILY with like minded believers. God bless you, we are ALL imperfect, but then that's why we need each other too.