Deetails61
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@Rob W @timqz1 no it was my intention for Ono to realize that her method of questioning was condescending and the "duh" is self-explainatory! very immature of me, sorry
@Rob W @cradleconvert I'm confused, did you or did you not refer to some Christians as bigots?
@Ono funny, you're accusing savedandhappy of saying that homosexuality is a sin just as you accused me on an other post, please read them all again. You'll be surprised how wrong you are.
@CurtisBeauJackson Curtis, Denying God is the biggest sin, matter of fact it's the only unforgivable sin! All other sins are equal and forgivable.
@timqz1 You must feel very superior to Mary to actually post a "Yawn". Was it your intention to make Mary feel insignificant with your response?
@Ono @Thomas Ono, I could understand why you thought I was snippy responding to you; I didn't call homosexuals an abomination! I said scripture calls the act of sex between same-sex people an abomination.
Really, we are both Christians, talk to me and tell me why you find it so implorable that I stand on the word of God?
Can we take only what we want from the Bible?
Did God not really say abomination? or did a homophobic scribe put it in?
My belief is based on faith, if I believe that the Bible is wrong about homosexual acts, what else is it wrong about?
@timqz1 When did I condemn homosexuality? God said that having sexual relations with the same-sex is a sin,
I said that I don't know if I consider this a sin. Considering that His word is truth, you are asking me to denounce my faith and say God made a mistake. mmmmm
But lets say I am in love with a same-sex person and I want to consummate the relationship.
(* I'm assuming you know enough about the Christian faith that when Jesus died he promised a helper (Holy Spirit) to help us while we live on earth._
I believe that God loves me so much, He would change my heart if I was sinning.
OR
He would give me the strength and courage to be a practicing homosexual in my faith change His people's heart through the Holy Spirit.
PS being fat makes me sinful glutton, so no I don't think one sin is worst than another we are all sinners
@CurtisBeauJackson @savedandhappy So true!
@Ono "Is it a sin to love someone of the same gender?" duh,
"Or is the sin when they consummate the relationship?
"Or is the sin that they have sex without a marriage license?
God's word says yes.
Me?~ I don't know, and I can't imagine worrying about it, especially since I have enough sin in my life to worry about.
You?~If you're a believer of the Christian faith, you ask Him.
Everyone else?~ Mind your own business.
A good read which exemplifies my thoughts is "You are Special" by Max Lucado, a children's book, but none-the-less helpful. It's about a group of people called the Wemmicks; they go around everyday putting dots on each other for bad things, and stars on eachother for good things. Punchinello only gets dots, some people even see that he only has dots, so they just put more dots on him. He begins to get discouraged and down because no one sees anything special in Punchinello. He meets Wendy, who has no dots or stars at all. She says nothing will stick on her. Punchinello asks how, and she tell him about Eli. Punchinello goes and starts to visit Eli everyday. Eli tells him, "You are special because I made you. You are special because you are mine!" Punchinello's dots begin to fall off! He learns that the dots, and even the stars wont stick if they don't mean anything to you. Punchinello learned that he cares more about what Eli, his maker, thinks of him, than others.
@Thomas Ross: Deetails61 I don't know when I said that "Friends breaking my balls about my weight is observed by the average outsider as "loving", even though they are concerned for my health , or your soul. "
My friends don't bust my balls, but they are there for me when I call them for comfort instead of food.
They don't remind me that my failing health is indirectly attributed to obesity, they sit out with me when I can't keep up.
@Ono those are pretty strong words "bigotry"! You say that I glom onto passages in the Bible to support my bigotry. Bigotry?? You are saying that I am stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. You are judging me without even knowing me.
Just so you understand what I so "mal a doit" tried to convey is: The act of homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God.
Who cares what I personally think, right? Well, you do, otherwise you wouldn't have accused me of being a bigot.
I'm guessing that you didn't approve of the statement.
Personally, I can't say that I love all gay people, just as much as I can't say I love all left-handed people. There are some left-handed people whom I like and others not.
The reason I can't say is that I don't usually ask them if they are left-handed.
Do you understand? I am not interested in how two consenting adults profess their love, that is a private intimate moment only to be shared by them both. My opinion about them is based on how they interact with me, on whatever level that may be.
God's opinion about them is based on His law.
As a professing Christian I choose to follow His law in my life, this doesn't give me a carte blanche to take God's law He made for me and apply it to everyone else out in the world!
Basically in my last post I said that I understand the plight of a gay person, how they struggle to be accepted in the norm of society and how they get the biggest flack from Christians who spout hatred and condemnation about their life style, they just want to be treated like a first-class citizen! My analogy was about my struggle with my health because of obesity. My God says that gluttony is a sin, the result of gluttony is obesity, but the fact that I'm obese is not a sin, and I would never expect my doctor to refuse treatment because my health problems are a cause of gluttony and gluttony is a sin and he abhors sinners.
Just for those who still don't get it, the act of homosexuality is what God calls "sin", not the condition of the body. Is the solution to abstain from same-sex relations?
I think it's up to the person, do they think they're sinning? No? then there's no problem, live goes on. Or do they need everyone's approval first?
If the gay community are fighting for equality, count me in, if they want me to deny my God for their conscious, sorry, no go.
@HannahUK
I wasn't referring to the article! My gosh this article has been going on for months! No, no I was trying to get to the bottom of what exactly homosexuals wanted from the Christian community.
1. Our acceptance of them being our equal~ no argument from this Christian, they have my vote!
2. Do they want me to denounce my God and his laws? Sorry, can't do.
And finally Ono again; The sin isn't in loving someone, it's in the sexual act of two same-sex people. You are right God made them the way they are, as He made me and you, does that make you a bigot because you appear to be stubborn and complete intolerance of my creed, belief, or opinion that differs from your own?
CuckaOccurs: So Christians are a funny bunch.... Let me amuse you:
What I understand from your post that you oppose Christians thinking homosexuality is a sin, in other words, you're not content with the fact that we accept them as they are, now we have to agree with their beliefs and promote it as "no longer a sin"?
You non-Christians are a funny bunch.
I believe that the Bible is God-inspired. My reasoning is; if God can create a world in 7 days, He can get His people to write a book. I can already hear you saying, "but the bible has been written and translated so many times, how can they be right? Think about it, the biggest problem with this is people who don't want to submit to the authority of God. They don't like His rules, so as a community they make their own and pass it as law.
Now this community is crying fowl because Christians are STILL believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin.
Now I wonder if you will understand this:
I am a Christian, and I am obese. I have to work very hard to keep my weight down and stay healthy. I love food and I pray daily for God to help me control my portions.
Let's say that I'm tired of trying to stay healthy and decide that obesity is OK, I can still walk, go to work etc. , so I set out to campaign my community to accept me as I am and to agree with me that obesity isn't as bad for me as the doctors say. Many will, they will probably encourage me to feast with them and enjoy gluttony. Some will still think that I am disgusting and vile and refuse to accept me. Others will accept me, love me, and support me, but will never agree that obesity is a healthy state to live in, they know that my health will deteriorate eventually and complications will occur. They will also stand by me when I am ill because of obesity and they will pray that I see the harm I am doing to my body.
Christians believe that God never makes mistakes, homosexuals are not a mistake, we don't understand why He made us all different, but we trust God to give us wisdom on all matter..
I think you WANT Christians to say, "I agree that homosexuals are born that way, so therefore I accept them and their actions as right and God's word is wrong (or misinterpreted).
When my time comes, and I meet my Maker, I wonder if I will be accountable for all my sins and all others will be excused because man removed them from His list?
I think you may be a little mixed up about Christianity. Again, this is my personal opinion, but you say "so many self-defined Christians are just the opposite of that, in fact, more so than the general lay population." , you are stereotyping us. We are not all violent, and yes there are Christians who are.
Proclaiming faith in Christianity doesn't make you perfect, or have all the answers, or be right.
Proclaiming your faith in Christianity means that you know that you were born into sin, and only by the blood of Jesus you can be saved.
Saved from what? Living a life without God.
What's the big appeal? A full productive life on earth and eternity with our Father in heaven.
When you accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, you are choosing to submit yourself before God and ask for His guidance throughout your life on earth.
“If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”(Jesus' teachings in the New Testament guides us with examples on how God wants us to live)
So why are many Christians full of hate? Even though we are washed clean of sin in the eyes of God, we have earthly desires, weaknesses, and free will.
Which means that You can be a "self-proclaimed" Christian and fail miserably.
In a Christian community, we all know this, but our words, personal feelings, and hatred can creep in our lives so quickly if not checked.
Luckily God knows the condition of our heart and gave us the Holy Spirit to help us along. He also commands us to admonish one and other daily.
I understand how non-believers can criticize us, but really.....
I can't speak for other Christians, but if they follow the same faith as I, my God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." the very next verse says "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Those two verses are the rudimentary belief which Christianity is built on. If any of my brothers and sisters in faith are spewing hatred against anyone different than them, they need to remember that Jesus came to earth so that we have an example of how to live. Jesus didn't condemn the world. He even challenged townspeople who wanted to stone an adulteress, He challenged them by saying that everyone (even me) has sin in their hearts. We need to look at our sin and change ourselves.
Wake-up people and realize that it's not our job to judge others nor is it to accuse anyone of sinning.
You cannot love when you have hate in your heart, Jesus is love.
Don't judge, period