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@dontknowme Nope he took him out the front door according to this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html
So if she saw two shadows and it wasn't Zimmerman running after Treyvon then what could it be? IMO it could be Treyvon running down and then turning around and running back. :?
Still a lot of this just doesn't make sense. Dee Dee would have been told by TM that GZ was chasing him wouldn't she? The only other explanation that would support TM a little is that GZ did indeed encounter him sitting on the porch and what if Treyvon took off after GZ? If that was the case then why would GZ just stated that? I dunno I guess I'm done trying to make theories on this case anymore. Just have to wait and see what happens next...
@dontknowme It would matter on which door the kid took the dog out for that scenerio. Did he take him out the "back" door or the front door?
@dontknowme No my assumption he is that Austin was walking his dog AHEAD of Treyvon and went around the corner. Treyvon came up behind him so he would have been the "second" shadow she saw. Then the kid hears the fighting when he is around the corner and notices GZ on the ground in a red shirt yelling for help but then the dog got away. That's possible to explain the 2 shadows right?
@Raylmt Oh maybe the boy came out ahead of Treyvon? He started walking his dog around the corner and then Treyvon walked behind him? The kid then noticed the people on the ground yelling for help when he was around the corner didnt he? That could also explain why she says she saw "two people" about 10 feet apart go past her window?
@Redbrow @Cake or Death Yeah seems like it.
See I think his Dad is around 6'3 or 6'4 just by gauging from him standing next to Jesse Jackson and Russell Simmons but its a total guess. This photo shows Treyvon next to his dad so I guess if you consider his dad could be leaning over a litle than 5'11" is believable. Any photos of him standing next to his Mom?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw5Q4F8tysXCxelTr3J_tW5qHvuarh34J3UtNUMpDK4ZhlgJzr-zhGv83NFw
@Redbrow @Cake or Death See that's what I'm talking about. In that article it states he is 6'3" and 140lbs but then the autopsy said he was 5'11" didn't it?
@Redbrow Actually your right I just read it says in his pock.. Also what are "headphones". Are they the kind for music or the kind you talk on the phone with? If he was talking on the phone with Dee Dee with hands-free headphones when the fight was started then how did they wind up in his pocket?
@Redbrow Does that say it was in his pocket? Looks like the only thing in his pocked was the cartridge case based on what you just typed.
@MiltonWah @MaggieMoo @eclecticsandra Sure he does. Do I think that both Treyvon and GZ would do this differently if they had a "do-over". Absolutely
@stobberdobber Interesting thought? You mean what if he went home and got Chad? Yeah I can see that but then how did Tracy Martin not know what happened? You think Chad would have said something wouldn't he?
I was thinking about dontknowme's reference to W2 today who saw the 2 shadows run by her window. What if the 2 shadows were both Treyvon? Again this is just my opinion based on the information we have like everything I have stated here before (it was pointed out that I should clarify that). What if Treyvon ran past her window and she caught it out of the corner of her eye? Wondering what that was she notices Treyvon running BACK the other direction to the "T" because he was upset at George for following him. That would explain how she saw two shadows wouldn't it? Anyone know exactly where she lives?
@tenacity @MaggieMoo I mean this kid was the same type of kid that was recently reported as robbing the neighborhood even as recently as the last few weeks. GZ's black lady friend IIRC mentioned that it was "black kids" who were recently responsible for the robberies in the neighborhood. Not that it was Treyvon himself committing them. :)
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@dontknowme Yes and they mentioned that in the bond hearing but then had to stop talking about it IIRC. That has to be one of the reasons they brought 2nd degree murder charges down. Still It seems circumstantial at best to me. One point tho wouldn't Treyvon have said something to Dee Dee on the phone if they ran down the corridor? Anything? Something like "Hey that guy would was following me is chasing me now call the cops!"???
Doesn't "DeeDee"'s statement seem to contradict what W2 claims to have seen?
I just watched the MSNBC video posted today. They stated that Treyvon was 5' 11" and 158lbs. They then said that George was only 5' 7" BUT 42lbs heavier? So wait now George is 200lbs? How can anyone make heads or tails of this case when the information that comes out is constantly contradicting itself?!?!
@dontknowme Is it possible that John came out while GZ and TM were wrestling and he heard one of them yelling for help? Then he went back up when the shot was heard? Would explain why his call is one of the last wouldn't it?
@deanno It's does change the entire flow of the case now. I just knew that was going to happen since he didn't want to talk on camera when interviewed. He didn't change his view on what he saw though but it will all be in question now for sure.
@dontknowme ??? People are citing information from other sources. Are you saying every single post has to be framed as such?
@Aussie54 @dontknowme I agree libelous statements? People may be very emotionally charged about this issue but how is that libelous statements? I stated several times that its my opinion. I wasn't there so I can only hypothesis what happened. I do think its odd that this puzzle just keeps getting unwound over and over.
@dontknowme @ing4life I'm using that term "pussy ass cracka" because that is the shirt that was presented around as well...
@dontknowme I hope Crump and them catch big flack over this. isn't someone's statement on a forum nothing more than an opinion? I consider everyone who makes a "statement" on here to be an opinion.