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@dontknowme Nope he took him out the front door according to this:
So if she saw two shadows and it wasn't Zimmerman running after Treyvon then what could it be? IMO it could be Treyvon running down and then turning around and running back. :?
Still a lot of this just doesn't make sense. Dee Dee would have been told by TM that GZ was chasing him wouldn't she? The only other explanation that would support TM a little is that GZ did indeed encounter him sitting on the porch and what if Treyvon took off after GZ? If that was the case then why would GZ just stated that? I dunno I guess I'm done trying to make theories on this case anymore. Just have to wait and see what happens next...
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@dontknowme It would matter on which door the kid took the dog out for that scenerio. Did he take him out the "back" door or the front door?
@dontknowme No my assumption he is that Austin was walking his dog AHEAD of Treyvon and went around the corner. Treyvon came up behind him so he would have been the "second" shadow she saw. Then the kid hears the fighting when he is around the corner and notices GZ on the ground in a red shirt yelling for help but then the dog got away. That's possible to explain the 2 shadows right?
@Raylmt Oh maybe the boy came out ahead of Treyvon? He started walking his dog around the corner and then Treyvon walked behind him? The kid then noticed the people on the ground yelling for help when he was around the corner didnt he? That could also explain why she says she saw "two people" about 10 feet apart go past her window?
@Redbrow @Cake or Death Yeah seems like it.
See I think his Dad is around 6'3 or 6'4 just by gauging from him standing next to Jesse Jackson and Russell Simmons but its a total guess. This photo shows Treyvon next to his dad so I guess if you consider his dad could be leaning over a litle than 5'11" is believable. Any photos of him standing next to his Mom?
@Redbrow @Cake or Death See that's what I'm talking about. In that article it states he is 6'3" and 140lbs but then the autopsy said he was 5'11" didn't it?
@Redbrow Actually your right I just read it says in his pock.. Also what are "headphones". Are they the kind for music or the kind you talk on the phone with? If he was talking on the phone with Dee Dee with hands-free headphones when the fight was started then how did they wind up in his pocket?
@Redbrow Does that say it was in his pocket? Looks like the only thing in his pocked was the cartridge case based on what you just typed.
@MiltonWah @MaggieMoo @eclecticsandra Sure he does. Do I think that both Treyvon and GZ would do this differently if they had a "do-over". Absolutely
@stobberdobber Interesting thought? You mean what if he went home and got Chad? Yeah I can see that but then how did Tracy Martin not know what happened? You think Chad would have said something wouldn't he?
I was thinking about dontknowme's reference to W2 today who saw the 2 shadows run by her window. What if the 2 shadows were both Treyvon? Again this is just my opinion based on the information we have like everything I have stated here before (it was pointed out that I should clarify that). What if Treyvon ran past her window and she caught it out of the corner of her eye? Wondering what that was she notices Treyvon running BACK the other direction to the "T" because he was upset at George for following him. That would explain how she saw two shadows wouldn't it? Anyone know exactly where she lives?
@tenacity @MaggieMoo I mean this kid was the same type of kid that was recently reported as robbing the neighborhood even as recently as the last few weeks. GZ's black lady friend IIRC mentioned that it was "black kids" who were recently responsible for the robberies in the neighborhood. Not that it was Treyvon himself committing them. :)
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@dontknowme Yes and they mentioned that in the bond hearing but then had to stop talking about it IIRC. That has to be one of the reasons they brought 2nd degree murder charges down. Still It seems circumstantial at best to me. One point tho wouldn't Treyvon have said something to Dee Dee on the phone if they ran down the corridor? Anything? Something like "Hey that guy would was following me is chasing me now call the cops!"???
Doesn't "DeeDee"'s statement seem to contradict what W2 claims to have seen?
I just watched the MSNBC video posted today. They stated that Treyvon was 5' 11" and 158lbs. They then said that George was only 5' 7" BUT 42lbs heavier? So wait now George is 200lbs? How can anyone make heads or tails of this case when the information that comes out is constantly contradicting itself?!?!
@dontknowme Is it possible that John came out while GZ and TM were wrestling and he heard one of them yelling for help? Then he went back up when the shot was heard? Would explain why his call is one of the last wouldn't it?
@deanno It's does change the entire flow of the case now. I just knew that was going to happen since he didn't want to talk on camera when interviewed. He didn't change his view on what he saw though but it will all be in question now for sure.
@dontknowme ??? People are citing information from other sources. Are you saying every single post has to be framed as such?
@Aussie54 @dontknowme I agree libelous statements? People may be very emotionally charged about this issue but how is that libelous statements? I stated several times that its my opinion. I wasn't there so I can only hypothesis what happened. I do think its odd that this puzzle just keeps getting unwound over and over.
@dontknowme @ing4life I'm using that term "pussy ass cracka" because that is the shirt that was presented around as well...
@dontknowme I hope Crump and them catch big flack over this. isn't someone's statement on a forum nothing more than an opinion? I consider everyone who makes a "statement" on here to be an opinion.
@ing4life So she stated that Treyvon was on top then is that what your saying?
@ing4life She only said she saw someone she thinks was wearing a white shirt. That's all. Problem is neither on had a "White" shirt on.
@ing4life @realitycheck @MaggieMoo @DanteHicks Weed doesn't calm angry black racists who are pissed at whitey. Nope....
@ing4life @MaggieMoo @DanteHicks And considering he had BOTH kinds he HAD to have smoked within the last few hours. Get over it I honestly think he went out and smoked a blunt.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo @DanteHicks It wouldn't be in his blood if he smoked 5 days ago unless he smoked everyday.
@dontknowme Really get out of my bubble???? Hmmm yeah ok.... What exactly is it that "de la Ronda" didn't believe pray-tell...
@curiositymakesasmartcat AWESOME AWESOME. Please make sure those 2 get disbarred that would actually make me feel some "justice" is indeed getting served.
@dontknowme @ing4life He was going back up the "T" to look for GZ. thats what he did for 2 minutes. Dee Dee was probably doing what most black girls who date thugs do and was enticing him to go whup that "pussy ass cracka".
@Redbrow @eclecticsandra @ing4life He was already out of his car. Thats the fact they miss. Because its ALL they have. PRoblem is what he did was not illegal....
@dontknowme @ing4life @realitycheck @MaggieMoo @DanteHicks He had THC in his blood and exactly how much can metabolize in your system within say 15 minutes of your death?
@dontknowme Of course they interviewed him he was the ONLY ONE TO SEE THE TWO OF THEM STRUGGLE. They found his testimony credible. They don't care that TM was on top assaulting GZ. They want to push the "He was angry and got out of his truck so he cant claim self defense" angle. Funny if they didnt believe him then why did they dismiss the charges?hmmmm
@patti is ticked @MaggieMoo Some autopsy report says 5'11" but something is fishy. The parents even said he was 6'3" I believe.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo HAHAHA omg im done with you. Your taking 7 year old infomation as facts on what he weighed 3 months ago? Wow you're delusional.
@ing4life The "dude" also said it WASN'T RACISM STUPID. Did you listen to it cuz I just did. Sounds to me like a pissed off Indian who just had it out for Zimmerman and its payback time.
@GWCarver @MaggieMoo I have no idea. Something is off there. He doesn't look 5'11 in the 7-11 video. He was almost eye to eye with his dad and his dad has to be about 6'3 to 6'4. Something is fishy here.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo 5' 10" 250lbs???? Holy crap thats awesome.
A BROKEN NOSE and 2 gashes on your head means your getting beat down. Someone on top of you punching you MMA style is a beat down. Do you have a problem with what a fight is???
@ing4life HAHAHAHAHAHA Proof?!?! Really are you serious. In 2008 he made some "racist jokes". Oh wow. He didn't welcome me in his tight nit group and didn't like me? Holy crap he made fun of me? Come on achmed the terrorist was extremely popular then, This guy seems extremely questionable. And ok so how in the world was any of this "bad". He was messing the the new guy wow that's a crime?? So wonder how come so many of these other employees seemed to think he was a pretty great employee. Wow he was so mad about the "achmed" jokes that he was going to be violent against him he doesn't care if he loses his job and he called him a "fucking moron'". I don't buy this for 1 second. Wow he even confirms that it WASN'T RACISM you dipshit. He said it was just trying to fit in with the click picking on the new guy. So ing4life you only confirm that he is NOT a racist. Thanks this is perfect evidence for Omara! Great job!!!
@dontknowme Really now? Hmmm nope I don't see that.... John hasn't changed anything other than "Well i can't be 100% sure it was GZ yelling now". I still think thats just for the fear factor. I KNEW he would say that. At least he didn't change the fact it was Treyvon on top. Actually it sounds like he even affirmed it more.
@Rowwdy @ing4life I'm not going to comment anymore. No point in it just a cheap thrill they are getting out of it. Need to stop fueling the lame fire...
@Lou da Jew @ing4life Yeah it angers me because I KNEW that would happen. Hell I'm shocked it wasn't a complete reverse since he thinks he would have to go to trial.
@ing4life Amazing he didn't change the fact Treyvon was on top pummeling him. So that doesn't make a bit of difference to you eh?
@ing4life He fell multiple times against Treyvon's knuckles and then concrete with some gentle assistance from Treyvon's hands. Yeah his swollen nose looks normal to me. Treyvon fixed it for him....
@ing4life been there done that. He didn't "lie" but ok EVERYONE has lied so far. The kid, John, the 911 callers, GZ, everyone. Its a real surprise when your getting threatened that you dont have this issue. Its no surprise I said this would happen the DAY his statement came out. The guy knows who was screaming for help and to say "Did you see his mouth moving" is insane. You can tell from the sound regardless. Also the fact that he was pounding on him MMA style he could also find the time to scream for help? PFFFT... And those wounds look pretty nasty after a good hour and a half and having received medical treatment...
Oh yeah ignore the Dersh line too about how ANYONE would do that in those circumstances so it DOESNT matter if GZ started it or not....
@Rowwdy @realitycheck DING DING DING DING. No wonder he jumped on this so fast. He gets another big payday and can bail his ass out! Problem is he is seeing it slip away faster then a girl untagging herself from a picture that makes her look fat on facebook....
@stobberdobber @Indverif It took what almost an HOUR for him to get back from the store. He could have taken them out and started to drink the tea or eat the skittles?
@tenacity @AghastinFL @Aussie54 Thanks. Somehow I have the ability to READ and can take the evidence and make an hypothesis out of it.
@tenacity @MaggieMoo Tiny scratches? What planet are you from? He had 2 huge GASHES on his head that did bleed profusely. The tiny scratches and blood where on Treyvon IIRC. I've split my head open too and it bled a lot. Hey guess what the paramedics attended to him and cleaned him up.... Wow....
@Aussie54 @tenacity The question would have been before the assault. He said they had an exchange. I just dont believe DEEDEE at all. Treyvon is shown more and more to be a thug not some scared little child who was almost home. Love how they keep trying to play that so they can get some jury to buy off on it.
@voiceofinsanity I didn't think so. Actually yeah that is probably why he was acting so odd at the store. He lifted that lighter. Hmmmmm wow it gets better and better... :/
@tenacity @Rowwdy Yes and guess what. I'm free to follow you if I think your acting strangely and even ask you why you are hanging out in my neighborhood. This is AMERICA and its a great place. I can do all of this and should not have to fear for my life doing so. funny in america it is AGAINST THE LAW TO ASSAULT SOMEONE for 'following" you.... Your 100% right... Thanks.....