Drew3774
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I would LOVE for us to get either Wilson, Barkley or Bray (in that order), but I seriously doubt we will. You have to consider the fact that we will make the playoffs and GOD WILLING win the Super Bowl, so we will be picking late in the draft. I doubt Pioli would give up the picks it would take to move up that far to take any of them. Besides, if we win the Super Bowl despite Cassel's mediocre performance, they will be more inclined to stick with him. I just think that if we make the playoffs(which we WILL), they will stick with Cassel no matter how poorly he performs this year.
@kcintx The statement that caught my eye was where you asked "But what about the good teams?" You then mentioned Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and New England. What do all 3 of those teams have in common? Each of them have won the Super Bowl in the 2000's and are perennial playoff teams. We however are not. But looking back at the past 2 drafts for New England (since Pioli came from there), I'd have to say they draft the players with the intent of them starting from day 1. In 2010 the Pats took Devin McCourty in the 1st round and he was a starter at CB from day 1, as was their 2nd round pick Rob Gronkowski at TE. In 2011 the Pats took Nate Solder in round 1 and he started 13 of 16 games at tackle for them. They also took Ras-I Dowling in the 2nd round and he was the nickel back for the first 2 games before becoming injured and being out the rest of the year. The point is that top draft picks should always be drafted with the intent of having them start from day 1, especially if they are better than anyone currently on your roster. You don't draft a player in the first 2-3 rounds with the intent to just have them provide depth and/or provide motivation for another player. If we were a Super Bowl caliber team then I'd be ok with most of our picks, but we have not proven that these past few years. Even in 2010 when we made the playoffs we were manhandled by the Ravens who had a much better and deeper roster. Yes we have depth now, but how do our starters match up against the other teams starters? It's all going to boil down to the play of Cassel this year and my confidence in him is very small.
@kcintx I will agree that RAC and our coaching staff is the most equipped group to bring out the best in Poe. If they can't do it, I don't think anyone can. As you said, "worst case he holds his ground", we could have gotten that with Ta'amu and Chapman in later rounds. Nose tackle is an important position, but they are only expected to eat up blockers and let the playmaking LB's make the tackles. I just have more confidence in a player who played at a higher conference level than Poe to get that done. I just don't feel like we drafted anyone in the first 3 rounds this year that will start for us this season. Poe will be part of a rotation and Allen and Stephenson will be backups. Your first 3 picks should be expected to be major contributors their first season. Here's a good article about our LB corp and how the Chiefs drafted. http://cache.profootballweekly.com/2012/04/29/chiefs-opt-to-not-add-to-lb-corps Evidently the Chiefs feel our LB group is ready to play at a Super Bowl level. By not drafting players you expect to start their rookie year, you are giving the impression that you feel nobody in the draft was better than the current starter on your roster. If that's the case then the Chiefs had better go to the Super Bowl this year with the confidence they are showing some of our guys.
@BigGil @tm1946 @Drew3774 Everything you said is true Gil, but we also need to consider our window of opportunity here. EVERYTHING is going to hinge on the performance of Mr. Matt Cassel. If he is terrible again this year, then Pioli will be forced to look in another direction, and with that comes growing pains with a new unproven QB. Drafting solely for the purpose of having "depth" or to have someone as a backup to "push the starters", compared to drafting for the purpose of having the best starting 22 one can get on the field is wrong, and that's what I think we did with this draft. If you're going to draft someone to "eventually replace someone" then why not have them replace them now? Top draft picks are expected to play and perform immediately, not wait around for a year or 2 to crack the starting lineup. If Cassel bombs this year with all our impending free agents, I can see Pioli blowing up this team and going into a full fledged rebuilding mode. With the new salary cap rules it makes even more sense than before to draft inexpensive rookies than it is to keep underperforming veterans on the roster taking up space. I am curious to see who we can get as undrafted free agents in here. As you pointed out with the safety position, I was quite a bit upset when San Diego jumped ahead and took Brandon Taylor from LSU right before us. Everything is going to hinge on Cassel this year unfortunately.
@tm1946 I agree with that person you heard on the radio. We had to do what we had to do considering we don't have the talent at the QB position we'd need to run a more passing oriented offense. Cassel needs to make MAJOR strides this year, or I say it's time to end the experiment with him and find someone else.
@kcintx Obviously you didn't read my statement correctly otherwise you'd see that I said, "I think he will be better than Poe." I also stated that I felt we should have traded back with the Eagles and taken DeCastro at 15, not 11. I find it amusing how people are so blindly putting their faith in Romeo Crennel's judgement on players. Name one defensive line player that he personally drafted and developed. He was the head coach in Cleveland from 2005-2008. During that time he drafted such luminary defensive line players as David McMillan, Andrew Hoffman, Kamerion Wimbley, Babatunde Oshinowo, Mel Purcell, Chase Pittman, Ahtyba Rubin and Alex Hall. So I'm sorry but with Romeo's track record of "spotting talent", I really do not trust this pick. Especially a pick of a guy who was only 2nd team all conference in Conference USA. It would be more palatable if he played in the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12, but he didn't. Conference USA is basically a step up from Missouri Southern, CMSU, Washburn and Emporia State. A player as "gifted" as Poe should have completely dominated the competition regardless of what position he played or how many different positions he played in the course of a game. DeCastro and Ta'amu were drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers and their 6 Super Bowl Championships. I'd say I trust their personnel department more than the opinion of RAC. Now for the sake of the Chiefs, I really, REALLY hope that Poe can prove me wrong, but the tape doesn't lie. I just feel it would have been better value taking a nose tackle in the mid rounds, rather than in the 1st, and I feel like nose tackles from a larger conference, like Ta'amu or Chapman in the mid rounds would have been a greater value pick for us. If Poe does prove me wrong I will be the first to admit that I was wrong but only time will tell, and if I'm right about him, then I will just add that to my personal list of feelings about the past Chiefs draft picks. And for your info I was never a fan of Dorsey(tho he was drafted to play a DT in a 4-3 Defense, NOT a DE in a 3-4), and I hated the pick of Tyson Jackson just as much. But I was never a fan of Hali either, but he was also drafted as a 4-3 DE and not a 3-4 OLB. I think Hali's production is based off of the scheme he is in and that he would have trouble duplicating his production on another team. But like everyone says, only time will tell with this draft.
@kcintx I'd have been happier with DeCastro in the 1st (especially if we would have traded back with the Eagles to 15), and Ta'amu later on. Ta'amu was taken in the 4th so we could have easily had him and I think he will be better than Poe.
@tm1946 I totally agree. NOT one of the players we drafted is going to start for us next year. I'm not a Poe fan and think he's going to be a bust, but we did not pick one guy who is going to start for us next year. I think Pioli took the whole "drafting for depth" thing too literally.
Ok this is where I disagree with a lot of you guys. A C+ grade is pretty much right in line with what we got. CBS has them as losers in the draft, and Fox Sports has them as a B. I am very disappointed in this draft because it could have been great. YES we addressed most all our needs and we drafted "depth". BUT I think Pioli went into this with the mindset to just draft for "depth" and not for starters or impact players. Tell me, who in this draft is going to start for us next year?? Poe will need time to develop and will be part of a rotation if/when he does play. (He's a workout warrior IMO & we'd have been better off with DeCastro.) Is Allen going to beat out Lilja or Asamoah?? Doubtful. Is Stephenson going to beat out Fat Albert or Winston?? NO. Will Wylie beat out Breaston?? Doubtful. Probably get spot time and special teams play. The fact is that NOBODY we drafted is going to start for us and will doubtfully provide any impact on our team other than the fact that they provide "depth" in case of injuries. There was not one pick where I was excited and was "wowed" with the pick. We could have done much, MUCH better with our picks and could have gotten some impact players that could have replaced some of our weaker starters, ie DeCastro vs Lilja, but we didn't. All we did was get some quality backups for our starters in case of injuries and IMO that's NOT the way to approach a draft. You don't go into a draft looking to find backup players. You go into the draft looking to find upgrades to your current players, and players who will impact your roster and games in your favor. I think we clearly failed at that. I'd have felt much better about our draft if we had taken DeCastro and Ta'amu as a NT than what we actually got. Still, we may be the only team in the draft this year that is not going to have a draft pick start for them at the beginning of the season. This may be a blessing for us and a testament to the quality of players we currently have starting, but I don't think so. I just really think Pioli went into this with the mindset of finding backups and "depth" rather than trying to upgrade a starting position. And now Pioli is already trying to find a scapegoat for his lackluster draft by putting the blame on losing Emery. Makes me laugh. I'm tired of mediocrity. We could have done a LOT better.
As I've said in all my other posts, this was a decent but disappointing draft in my opinion. We could have done a LOT better, and I'm NOT a big fan of Poe. This was a draft that did address our needs, but was totally lacking excitement and pizazz. We did not get any great playmakers, just solid, AVERAGE players. This link is for CBS Sports draft grades for our prospects and almost all of them received a grade of C. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18843965/grades-2012-nfl-draft-round-1
Let's look at some of them:
11- Poe: C
44: Allen: C
74: Stephenson: C
107: Wylie: B
146: Menzie: C-
182: Gray: B
218: Long: C-
238: Hemingway: B-
Very, VERY average draft. I think we could have done a LOT better, but I still think we can/will make the playoffs this year. This is what the NFL.com experts had to say about the AFC West drafts: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d828b8403/2012-NFL-Draft-grades-AFC-West
@Ehud I admit that the 2 CB's have off field issues, but after reading about Johnson his issues aren't that bad. And taking Dennard in the 7th round with his issues isn't much of a loss if his issues continue. If his issues are in his past then in the 7th round it's a potential steal. The only thing my draft didn't address is a potential replacement at DE for Jackson or Dorsey.
@merlin_AA I am a KC transplant living in New Jersey and I heard all about the offer on the radios out here. The Eagles had their hearts set on Cox and they were actually a little bit scared that we were going to take him instead of Poe. After we turned them down and took Poe, they immediately made the offer to Seattle to move up because they did not want to lose him to the Rams who were going to pick at 14 right in front of them.
I'm sure this will make some of you all mad, but I am a little disappointed with this draft. I would have done things completely differently if it was my choice. I think Poe is nothing but a "workout warrior" and he was only 2nd team all conference in the weak Conference USA. Josh Chapman was 2nd team in the SEC. We could have had him. If I was running the draft this is what I would have done. I would have traded pick 11 to the Eagles because I know they offered the same thing to us that they eventually sent to the Seattle for pick 12. Seattle got picks 15, 114, and 172. Let's assume we got the same offer here. So this now leaves us with picks 15, 44, 74, 107, 114, 146, 172, 182, 218, and 238. Based off of who was taken and where, this is what I would have done with the draft. Listing our needs as G, T, NT, LB, CB, S, WR as our needs with a QB & RB being luxury picks. (Note, this is just to open discussions & 2nd guess our picks.)
Pick 15: David DeCastro, G
Pick 44: Trumaine Johnson, CB or Mychal Kendricks, ILB
Pick 74: I'm OK with Donald Stephenson, T here. But them damn DOLTS had to steal Brandon Taylor right before us. :(
Pick 107: Alameda Ta'amu, NT (We get a good/great nose tackle here.)
Pick 114: James-Michael Johnson, ILB
Pick 146: Marvin Jones, WR
Pick 172: Markell Martin, S
Pick 182: Marvin McNutt, WR
Pick 218: Alonzo Dennard, CB (Don't care about his probs in 7th round. With Manning, Rivers & Palmer in our division we need all the DB's we can get.)
Pick 238: Best DL available, or BPA.
This is what I'd have done. What do you guys think? All this picks fill all our needs, and are based off of my belief that Poe is nothing but a workout warrior.
@Krans24 I'm a KC transplant living in Jersey and all the talk I've heard on the radios out here was about the Eagles wanting to trade up to take Fletcher Cox. We could have traded back to 15 & STILL got Poe if that's who Pioli and RAC really wanted AND received an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. We turned that down and look what happened. The Seahawks jumped all over that deal at #12 and the Eagles took Cox. Nobody else after us from 11-14 wanted Poe so we could have gotten him AND another extra mid draft pick. Look at how the Vikings fleeced the Browns by getting them to trade up 1 pick for Richardson. We could have gotten some quality depth by trading down and still get Poe at 15.
I will say once again I'm disappointed in this draft. There are a LOT of really good players being taken in the 2nd round, and we are missing out on them with only having 1 pick in the round. We might have been able to get Poe and/or DeCastro if we traded down AND received an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick, but nope. Look at all the good players we are missing out on. I sure hope Poe proves me wrong about him because we could have greatly improved our depth by trading down.
I am going to start off saying that I am NOT a fan of this pick of Poe. BUT I will reserve my final judgement until I can see what RAC and our coaching staff can do with him. I have read about how D-Poe is using all this criticism of him and he's going to "rip someone's head off", so I'm going to address the rest of this post to Mr. Dontari Poe himself. Mr. Poe, let me welcome you to the Chiefs. Despite the fact that I do not agree with the Chiefs picking you at number 11, I am hoping that you can prove us all wrong. A lot of us feel that you are nothing but a workout warrior. Playing in Conference USA for Memphis you should have DOMINATED your opponents with the physical skills you showed at the combine. I have heard all the stories about how you played all the positions on the line, and you did what your coaches told you too, but you STILL should have DOMINATED your opponents during games and I did NOT see that at all in your game tapes. You seem very passive and content to just hold the blocks. That does work as a 3-4 nose tackle, but you still need to bull rush the center/guard and collapse the pocket on the QB. At this point in time I do NOT think you can do that for us. If you could not do it against Conference USA opponents that you were way stronger than and outweighed by 50 lbs, I doubt you can do it on the NFL level. So I am challenging you Mr. Poe. PLEASE prove me wrong. Bust your ass in camp, play your heart out and show us all that you are for real and not another busted draft pick like Ryan Sims. Also prove us wrong that you are not just another "Workout Warrior" like Mike Mamula and Vernon Gholston. It's all up to you now. PROVE US WRONG. Because right now I am calling you out and I think you are going to be a bust. Prove me wrong Dontari Poe.
And sure as shit the Eagles trade up to #12 and take Cox!! Way to go Pioli!! We couldn't have gotten a few extra picks and still gotten DeCastro or this POS, err I mean Poe at number 15.
BOOOOOOO!!!! Hello Ryan Sims!!! Workout Warriors are NOT NFL players!! Hello Mike Mamula!! I'm a KC transplant living in Jersey and all the talk out here was the Chiefs trading back with the Eagles so the Eagles could take Fletcher Cox. They should have either taken Cox, DeCastro or traded back and taken Decastro at 15. This is a bullsheet pick and Poe will be another Ryan Sims. He couldn't even play well at lower level Memphis! TERRIBLE pick Pioli!!! I was pissed to see Kuechly taken at 9 but now I'm so frustrated and pissed off I don't think I will watch the rest of the draft. BOOOOOOO!!!!