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@realitycheck Keep on hoping the case has no merit. I think reality will wake you up when you use analytical skills to predict Zimmerman's case result. Happy holidays to everyone! :-)
@MovingOn @THEIFAM @Rowwdy She saw shadows/figures. The other witnesses were needed for details of the figures (and objects), not just the shadows.
@THEIFAM @MovingOn @eclecticsandra @Indverif @Rowwdy I was going to ask the same question, but I think you saved me the time. There were alternatives to accomplishing that if that were his motive.
Peer pressure is one thing, but how one accomplishes that is another. I think I could use two good examples of polar opposite personalities that would fit the "cool guy" and the "nerd" or "geek" who accomplished the same thing but by different methods even during the teenage phase of wanting to belong. I don't have the motivation at the moment....
@MovingOn @Rowwdy We aren't discussing bipolar. We are discussing mentally "fit" ("normal", if you wish) human beings. Bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. are classified differently for a reason; so unless you have evidence that he had any of these issues (as is the case with Zimmerman and ADHD), it isn't applicable.
The shy comment was actually an example. But since you brought up Trayvon re. shyness, well, let me say, without reading opinions of others who knew him, I could tell you that he was LIKELY on the shy side. Now, on to shyness ... I think you have a totally different definition of shyness or you're not in tune with shy people. They're shy doesn't mean they would NEVER say offensive things. What it means is that, if they do say them, they'll say them under different circumstances: 1. They've warmed up to the receivers; or 2) it's well, the internet (fill in any other medium of a similar nature)! If you equate the internet with real life, I'm not sure what words to use to describe my astonishment.
@Rowwdy Yes, EVERY kid lies, as do EVERY human being. That is a statement that there is ONE action they share in common. It is NOT logically equivalent to the other statement. The other statement says they do NOT share EVERY action.
@MovingOn @Rowwdy See, that's the problem. You lump teenage behavior into one category. As I said, I have avoided really getting into it. However, I'll try surmising. First off, you referenced his mother's comment about Trayvon being mouthy. I suppose that meant you accepted her comment that he was a mouthy person? So, how is it then that you say "These kids don't mouth off, these kids today with knock your ass out"?
I was a teenager myself, as were you and every other adult, and have a pretty good memory of my behavior during that period. Teenagers do NOT all act the same. Personalities range. You aren't going to find a teenager who is naturally shy suddenly resorting to physical aggression because he's a teenager. His adrenal glands rule him when in certain situations. When in a fight or flight stage, his body's demands for certain chemicals increases, which makes it a more difficult challenge for him than someone who naturally has normal or high level of the desired chemicals. If he's very dumb, yeah, then he might fasten his Darwin award, but not if he has basic intelligence required for survival. He would consider other means if he has a choice. Likewise, you aren't going to find a bully suddenly shy away, just by chance. He would only have stopped because he met equal force/authority.
Did you read the description Zimmerman's friend said Zimmerman gave him of Trayvon? The words are awkward, somewhat ambiguous, but interesting, and if the prosecution is doing what I'm doing, they might find it quite useful during trial.
@Rowwdy Why do i need to diss anyone? I have no reason to compete in the first place.
My point was simple, no matter what title someone has next to them, what school they went to or are currently in attendance, my expectation is the same: Make your case for your position using the set rules agreed to or accepted. If you tell me you're a scientist or are studying science and use that to automatically dismiss the claim of someone who argues that there's the metaphysical realm, your argument is not any more valid than someone who's a creationist. You still have to show each element supporting your argument and explain how it does.
@MovingOn @Rowwdy The mouthing off comment was in an article (I think a Miami Herald article). Mouthing off is not an unusual behavior for someone his age. In fact, it might actually make a case for why he would NOT have (physically) acted aggressively and would rather have aggravated Zimmerman who was already in a bad mood, making Zimmerman the one inclined to act physically. A mouthy person of Trayvon's nature uses words rather than physical aggression to defeat an opponent. Physical aggression is a last resort. Zimmerman, in contrast, is someone easily affected with words.
Secondly, I did read that Facebook entry his father made. I could hardly jump to the BIG conclusion you drew from it. Of all the posts his father made, which I took my time to read, that was the ONLY entry where he expressed strong disapproval and anger or some kind of negative emotion about his son's behavior. His complaint there was not an unusual one, which is why many of his friends could relate. EVERY child has lied to his/her parent even when it didn't make sense to. There was no other mention of such behavior to indicate to us that this was a habitual thing with Trayvon. If you found one, please cite it
@Rowwdy @MovingOn "and almost your Juris Doctorate in Law"
Huh? Don't I remember MovingOn saying she has 12 credits? Isn't that about 3 or 4 classes? Is that anywhere close to the number of units required for law degree?
In any case, being a law student doesn't make one any more qualified than others at evaluating cases. That's what schooling is for in the first place ..., while to expand, to test your knowledge and ability. And even then that isn't enough; you're required to take the state bar in order to practice (the states have no faith in their students or try to control the market). I think if you surveyed most people on this site and other sites following this case, you'll find that majority are themselves law students, lawyers OR connected to lawyers (i.e., a family extension). It gets old quickly when you realize the number of people interested in and in pursuit of law. It no longer is unique, as is reflected in recent survey showing supply greatly exceeding demand in the field of practicing law.
@Black Racism Aren't there place appropriate responses to questions? If the general public asked you if you had graduated, maybe you could say yes since you were ceremonially allowed in by your school. But if a prospective employer or law enforcement asked you, I think it would be a dishonest response. You get an opportunity to explain your situation to them, not to MISLEAD them.
@eclecticsandra @THEIFAM @Cake or Death Huh? I thought prayer has no privacy? It's pretty hard to sustain privacy when the ultimate being to whom you pray is said to know and see ALL things.
@Rowwdy @THEIFAM "So assuming your older daughters are maybe 18 or older, you had internet in 1994 to 2000?"
You do know that computer science, graphics and math inclined majors "hung out" on the internet during that period. E-mails, IRC, bulletin boards, and newsgroups were the cool things, and then soon after forums.
Let's try the arithmetic. Adult by standard definition is 18 and above. Let's try 18 ... let's suppose he meant at age 6 his other daughters were using the internet. Then that means it was about the year 2000. Put it back a bit more to accommodate his other children, assuming they aren't triplets or twins, then that gives a more likely period of one year interval, so pushing back to about 1997. By 2000, the demographics of internet users was starting to change significantly.
I don't see why it would seem unlikely for someone who studied computers
"WOW....you must have started reproducing at a really young age.""
Do you happen to know his age? If you don't, how would you know that he "started reproducing at a really young age"? Or do you have a different idea of what is a "REALLY young age?"
@MovingOn " If you will recall, John yelled out and told them to stop it or he was going to call 911 yet they didn't stop."
Shouldn't that be telling? John thought that one person was assaulting another YET he yelled at "THEM" to stop. I have always found that part of his comment telling.
"I am going to say something and I know that you are not going to like it, IMO Trayvon was going to die that night either at the hands of Zimmerman or at the of SPD."
Actually, I agree with one part. I agree that he was going to die that night at the hands of Zimmerman. It seems to me that Zimmerman's energy was restless that night and had it in for Trayvon's. The part I am not sure I agree with you is that he would have died at the hands of the SPD. Except if the SPD is just plain incompetent or abusive, I don't see him dying at their hands that night - UNLESS one subscribes to YOUR VERSION of events that night.
@MovingOn @THEIFAM @realitycheck @patti is ticked @Rowwdy While generally you haven't done what majority on here have, you have embraced the idea that he acted "thuggishly" that night and assaulted Zimmerman. Your main argument for motive was that he would have wanted to impress his "girlfriend". I think you would question greatly that theory if you had more insight into brain chemistry and behavioral patterns.
@MovingOn @THEIFAM @realitycheck @patti is ticked @Rowwdy I agree with you about grades. However, I wouldn't automatically toss it out, for it can be quite telling. If you understand brain chemistry, you can add additional elements critical in forming an opinion in this case. It can lead you to a better understanding of the individuals concerned in this case - provided you can narrow the cause of performance to solely the person's brain chemistry. It is in part the perspective I am coming from with my opinion in this case. I generally withheld my view when on a number of occasions you brought up Trayvon and his character. I think you would have a very different perspective about both Trayvon and Zimmerman if you had an insight into brain chemistry.
@MovingOn @THEIFAM @realitycheck @patti is ticked @Rowwdy What is the point of making this claim continually if you won't say what it is you have that would give great insight into this case? It's hard to appreciate what you don't know or have.
@MovingOn @THEIFAM @realitycheck @patti is ticked @Rowwdy I agree with you that academic performance isn't everything, even though I come from a different perspective. However, for consistency in your views, it would seem to me that "belittling a person" for being 28 and not having a two year degree isn't "very small on [his] part," since in the past you gave academic performance and attendance such great weight in defining someone.
@eclecticsandra @Black Racism Glad you mentioned this, for it's so easy to get drowned in the negative energy of sites like this. You step out and get reminded that the world isn't ending anytime soon, and it has a bright future. LOL! Many folks here are just stuck in the past. Hopefully they'll wake up to the present before nature takes them....
@Rowwdy @THEIFAM "As I recall it was well publicized that Martin was familiar with MMA's. "
Could you cite a source other than your memory? Because as far as my memory goes, there was no well publicized knowledge "that Martin was familiar with MMA's" What I was aware of was an ALLEGATION that he REFEREED street fights. Please provide evidence that supports your claim.
By the way, you might be surprised if you get taken down by someone you assumed couldn't, according to your flawed logic (re. wrist size, hand size, etc.).