CurtisBeauJackson
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@mothersarm That has to be the most boring and depressing definition of marriage that I have ever heard. The only "part" that matters is the heart. The rest of the parts are just decorations. The male or female parts don't amount to a hill of beans if the hearts, the souls, do not love each other.
The best meaning of marriage is when two souls, that love each other more than themselves, come together and become one.
@Melissa Garzon @ibealion This is another one of those crazy chapters of the Bible that just make me scratch my head and go huh? You pass out naked in your tent. One of your sons accidentally sees you naked, so you curse him and all of his descendants forever and ever!! Way to go dad. That's just totally rediculous. LOL.
@facturann @FrederickKahrs @Kievjoy Wrong. We do not want to be treated differently. We want to be treated the same. We want our lives and loves to be no big deal. That is equality. What causes most hurt /consequences to the gay community is people treating them as different. This is one place you are wise in keeping silent with your gay "friends." One of the things you questioned is why people commit suicide. Well, one of the BIG reasons gay youth commit suicide is because of people like you who may not be so "kind" on the surface. We are not treated the same. We are shunned. We are called weak. We are called faggot. All because people do not think we are equal. We are treated as the scum of the earth. Then if these young people do not have a place to turn for love in their family. If they fear that their father and mother feel the same way. They slowly die inside. It isn't the homosexuality that causes this death. It is the complete feeling of loneliness. It is the lack of love from society. That there is no one to talk to no one that understands. They are surrounded by people who see them as something broken. No wonder they think of suicide. I know I did. I came very close to it in fact.
Treat us the same as everyone else. Treat us "normally." It is not pride to want to be normal. It is pride to set yourself above others as their superior.
@ibealion @DavidStevens I say they are all made up BS. If there is an all knowing all powerful God, it would be impossible for the mind of man to conceive. Even less possible to write it down in a book. I seriously doubt the childish, tantrum throwing, maniacal Gods that man has dreamed up are anything like a true God. My experience with "God" or the universe is so much greater and peaceful. I wouldn't even begin to try and define it. I wouldn't even try to make anyone else believe it. I definitely wouldn't write rules about it.
@ibealion @timqz1 @Snooterpoot As long as you don't impose that lie on other people, more power to you.
I really don't understand the concept of modesty at all. Modesty was created and forced upon society by people who are ashamed of the gift God gave them. In the bible it was the curse of knowledge bestowed upon Adam and Eve that caused modesty. It is the human body. It is completely natural for Pete's sake. There is nothing shameful about it. The only purpose for clothing should be warmth. If you think about sex when you see a naked body, then you are the person with the problem. If you are grossed out by the human body, you are the one with the problem. Not the person showing skin.
@sevenmmkevin Love this!
@TaelerDawn So, sorry that this happened to you. I can only partially relate. I was already an adult and on my own when my family turned me away, so I don't know the feeling of being a homeless teen. That must have been a horrible time for you. It is very painful to know that my father will have nothing to do with me. I haven't spoken to him in over 15 years. Let this make you strong don't let it wear you down. Build a new family. Family isn't blood. They are not your family and they do not deserve to be called parents. Your true family are the people you gather around you that you care for and they care for you in return. The rest are crap you need to scrape from your shoe.
@SillyMuse @kathleen z @Kievjoy @ThomasRoss @Rob W @DavidStevens SillyMuse, I have been following this conversation but have been unsure of how to respond to you cause I could not figure you out. At first, you came of as someone who was like me in my 20's. An ANGRY atheist completely anti religious because I was burned badly by the church and hated anyone who was religious. Then you morphed into a extreme right wing religious apologist. You've been arguing both sides against the middle and none of your arguments do anything to help the gay community. For a while, I just thought you were being an annoying troll. But, I think I've finally gotten a read on you. I don't think you are an atheist at all. I think you are fundamentalist playing an atheist. The only things you have had positive to say in all of your diatribes was about a gay man you know that went through "successful" conversion therapy. That is what clued me in to you. The only truly "successful" conversion therapy cases are bisexuals. I've known many of them. I've had sex with some of the ones in successful marriages with kids on the downlow you know. My uncle came out of this and is now a miserable man living in my grandparent's old home that should be condemned, alone and lonely never having done anything positive in his life. He is a truly sad soul. I have met countless others who failed and were severely emotionally damaged the atrocity called conversion therapy. It took me years to overcome the hate instilled in me towards the church by what my church did to me. Now I am over joyed to meet these wonderful people who are living and represent to me what I grew up believing the church and Christians should be like. And, you tear them down because they don't support the dark side of their religion.
Unlike homosexuality which is only mentioned six times in the bible and is not in the ten commandments. Lying and Bearing False Witness is in the ten commandments and is mentioned as bad dozens of times thorough the bible. I think you should check the plank in your own eye before picking on these good people trying to make people lives better. You have done nothing to make anyone better. The only thing you have done here is stir up crap and I think you are a phony and a fraud.
I may be wrong about my read on you, but it doesn't matter. NOTHING that you have done here will help either side. You are unreasonable and bitter. I don't really know why. I hope you can open your heart to true love at some point. I did. It cleared out the anger, and I've found a way to love Christians again, but I will not tolerate Christian's who use corrupted doctrine as a weapon against my friends and loved ones. Turning a blind eye to atrocities is as bad as if you commit the atrocities yourself.
@kathleen z @SillyMuse @kathleen @Karenward I can't say how much I love this comment Kathleen.
@Achristian @DavidStevens You obviously don't understand what love really is. For that I am deeply sorry for you. You cannot understand the love of the eternal father if you can't understand simple human love. There is a major difference between just busting a nut and actually loving someone. I can busta nut with a piece of plastic represenataion of a person, but that doesn't mean I love them. Love means an entirely different spirituality. If all you understand is fucking and making babies then you are truly sad. You are truly an animal and have no hope for a future.
@Achristian @DavidStevens You don't know the difference between love, lust, and just getting your rocks off.... that is truly sad :( I will pray for you.
@Achristian @DavidStevens Not the same thing at all. A heterosexual man can engage in homosexual activity and not be a homosexual. My father a devout christian has admitted to me to having homosexual activity, but he has never said that he could ever LOVE another man. I could never LOVE a woman that is the difference. A homosexual has NO desire for female interaction and only an attraction to males. There is a major difference.
As far as values go.. I don't need a book or a god to tell me what is right or wrong. If something harms another person then it is wrong ... that is all I need. If something makes another persons life better then that is what I will strive for. I do not need a promise of reward or a treat of punishment to make me be a good person. Only people with childlike desires need a big daddy promising them rewards or punishment do good just because they are AFRAID.
@Achristian @DavidStevens I see some of your disconnects with reality. You seem to believe that there is an outside source for values. And that homosexuality is something that is engaged in and is not experienced.
@MeganDunlapJarrett Now here is an example of a good teacher. Never missing an opportunity to teach a lesson in a positive and constructive way no matter what the age. Bravo Ms. Jarret.
@Kievjoy @kathleen z @ThomasRoss Yes, there were dowries to be paid and celebrations following family traditions. Then they would lock the young couple into a room and tell them not to come out until the consummated the marriage.
@kathleen z @ThomasRoss @kathleen @Kievjoy I can't find the original thread either. But, I've been thinking about this issue too. I have disconnected myself from the bible and personally don't believe in sexual sin at all. I don't even believe that adultery is bad, if total honesty and acceptance is involved by all parties.
From what I remember about the bible, adultery is the only real sexual sin. However, there is one tricky thing. There is no marriage in the bible. In those days, if you had sex with a person, you ARE married to that person. The first sex was the marriage. Legalities of marriage only came about from governments and churches. Marriage is supposed to be forever. So, you are married to the first person you ever had sex with. If you are having sex with anyone else now, you are committing adultery to your first spouse; unless, you were divorced because of adultery which is the only valid reason for a divorce.
@kathleen z This was from "A Letter to Dr. Laura" [Schlessinger]. The original source is unknown, but it floated around the internet a lot in the early 2000's. Here is a nice article about the letter on Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp
@Bob00777 @jameswilliams Have you ever heard of Mardi Gras or Spring Break where public displays of heterosexual sex abound. There are the brothel streets of Amsterdam, and Bankok are infamous.
Heterosexuals don’t need spring break or Mardi Gras to publicly display their sexual proclivities. Among college students, 56% of heterosexual men and 46% of women had gone skinny-dipping, 65% of men and 42% of women had public sex, and 21% of men had been in a threesome. Among adults, 57% of American heterosexuals had sex outdoors, 42% consider themselves sexually adventurous, and 12% have had sex in the workplace.
See, you aren't the only person that can throw out ridiculously damning statistics.
@Bob00777 @jameswilliams Seriously? LOL. In the 20 years I've been out, I've only met one homosexual who gets into "fisting." The first porn I saw that dealt with fisting was a man doing it to a woman, so it's not a "gay" thing. It's an extreme sex thing. Lots of people have extreme sex and so what? It's none of my business.