southsidetom
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Ummm, no. Asking a future hall of fame QB to run down the field on special teams is stupid and not comparable. He's talking about a player (Tebow) who is trying to hang onto a roster spot at this point in time in this league and still trying to have a career. If Tebow were a unrestricted free agent only one team would probably pursue him with the idea that he can compete for a starting QB job in camp next summer (Jacksonville). Tim Tebow should do whatever any team asks him to do or he will find himself out of the league in a hurry.
Aaron Rodgers amazes me and for my money is the best QB in the NFL right now. I know we've got Brady, Peyton and Brees playing in the league right now and they are certainly ahead of Aaron Rodgers historically (when taking into account each player's entire career). But if I had to pick one guy to QB my team right now I'd take Aaron Rodgers. He's the complete package. You don't hear people talking about him as an MVP candidate this year, and that is probably because his numbers last year were so amazing (I've even heard some morons say he is having a "down year"). But his numbers still stack up against any of the talked about candidates and if he was not the QB of GB that team would not finish above .500 IMO.
C'mon, no one here crying how Alex Smith still gives the 49ers the best chance to win? Is it possible the galatically stupid finally came to their senses?
Put the cool-aid down. Comparing a guy who has played 12 games in the NFL to someone who is a guaranteed future hall of famer is ludicrous.
Feel free to talk about his upside and the skills he posseses and how those will make him a successful qb in the NFL, but don't compare him to a great player like Brees.
The problem with what the Bears were doing is what they weren't doing. They didn't adjust to try and make it more difficult for them to be running the read-option. I'd much rather force a team to go the length of the field with time running short running the ball up the middle than allowing Wilson to be able to easily step outside the pocket and make the throws. Wilson wasn't just killing them with his arm, but his legs as well. If they were going to have a chance at beating him they needed to keep him inside the pocket and they failed to do so. They got out coached and Wilson rose to the occasion.
For the life of me I could not understand why the outside pass rushers on the Bears defense kept giving up their outside contain. Almost every productive/big play was made with Wilson scrambling or rolling outside the pocket. Wilson is athletic and throws a great ball while on the move. Teams need to keep him in the pocket if they want to stop him. His vision inside the pocket is not nearly as good as outside due to his size (he's lucky if he is 5'10). It was evident when you watched him attempt throws down the deep middle from the pocket as every one of them was over thrown.
We'll never know what those players would do in today's game. It's always an interesting argument for sure. It's never actually fair to compare different era's. Too many variables involved. Bill Walsh is the greatest football mind ever, he'd succeed wherever and whenever he was at IMO.
When evaluating talent their is indeed more than just their physical attributes, especially at the QB position. To put it bluntly, Vick has failed because he's unintelligent. He makes the same mistakes over and over again because of it (the guy had one good year really in his entire career). Jeff George had arguably the best arm ever, but was worthless as a person. I don't know if there has ever been a more hated teammate in history. You can probably search for it online his college career at Illinois and what had to be done to keep his teammates back then from literally ripping his arms out of his sockets and beating him to death with them. Despite that, he still had a few good years and teams kept bringing him back because of that talented arm. Everyone thought/hoped they would be able to figure him out and keep him in line, but his true colors came through each and everytime and led to all of them releasing him.
Keep living in your fantasy world in regards to why Smith didn't get interest around the league. Manning had plenty of teams interested in him despite his injury. Other franchise level QB's don't often get pursued for numerous reasons (looming franchise tag, inclination to stay with current team/situation or simply their agent putting out feelers to the few teams said franchise QB would be interested in playing for to see if it is a fit).
It means nothing to me if others here don't support what I say. I don't know them or what their football acumen might be other than what they might write. I am very well aware of what mine is. My football acumen paid for my college degree and has set me up with a pretty darn good life away from the game that I devoted a good portion of my life to.
But once again, you can sit there pouting and stomping your feet about how great Alex Smith is and I'll continue to trust my eyes with him and know he is not a franchise QB capable of winning a Super Bowl. I'm at least on the same side as Jim Harbaugh is as to who he thinks is the better quarterback on the 49ers. You can stay on your side of the argument with the mouth breathers and I'll stick to the side with people who know the game better than me, you and everyone else who posts in the comments section on this site combined.
I know many folks hate me for saying this earlier, but it is the right move for the 49ers. Kaepernick is the more dangerous and dynamic player. You can't win a Super Bowl in today's league playing conservative on the offensive side of the ball. If Kaepernick continues to play the way he has the 49ers become the favorite in the NFC IMO.
You have to have a strong enough arm to make all of the NFL throws on a consistent basis. Brady has the arm for that (he does not have a cannon, but he has above average arm strength) Alex Smith does not. Kellen Moore has every atribute you could want in a leader and his numbers and record are ridiculous at the college level. But no one even drafted him because he lacks the size and arm strength to make an impact on the NFL level. Sure, these types of QB's get picked up as free agent signings, but no one wastes a draft pick on them. Most of these guys get a chance in camp and then everyone sees right there in front of them why the guy didn't get drafted and then they might spend a year on the practice squad or just be cut loose and forgotten.
Alex Smith can make the throw, just doesn't do it well. Long throws towards the sideline are easily picked off in this league unless you have the arm strength to get it there quickly. It's why he rarely ever attempts those throws. It's easy enough to research this and figure it out.
Well watching the NFL network last night, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders both felt Harbaugh should go with Kaepernick going forward because he makes their offense more dangerous instead of plodding.
The "evidence" I was referring to (directly actually which you somehow missed) was the opinion of respected NFL analysts being the same as mine and the opposite of your's (Bowen, Billick to name a few). The "evidence" was in this past off season when not a single team offered him a contract other than the 49ers and that was only AFTER they failed to sign Manning (if you are incapable of reading between the lines that means GM's and player personnel director's didn't want him to be there QB).
Of course you can always find a few exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't make the rule any less valid. Joe Montana played in a different era and in a completely different system (no one runs a true west coast offense anymore). The rules have changed drastically since he put his helmet on and those rule changes favor quarterbacks who can get the ball down the field. Alex Smith's abilities might have suited the NFL 25 years ago, but not in today's game. I agree, he'll get signed by someone in the off season, but not to huge money and certainly not long term. He'll be no more than a "stop-gap" quarterback for a franchise. Helping to try and make you respectable and competitive but not threaten for a Super Bowl ring. If that wasn't the case and teams felt he was a Super Bowl caliber QB then teams would have been fighting to sign him this past off season and yet NO ONE EVEN TRIED. No one will give you a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith if the 49ers pick up his option and then try and trade him. I think the 49ers will simply cut him and allow him to test the open market. If he is not gauranteed a starting spot with another team he'll likely come back and be back-up to Kaepernick.
Ummm, you COMPARED their arm strength. Of course you are wrong on that account as well as Brady has a stronger arm. Brady has consistently been able to throw and complete a deep out while Smith can not.
You are also a fool if you don't think things like arm strength matters when it comes to a franchise QB. It's not all about arm strength as I said earlier, but it certainly is a factor. Why do you think some QB's who have amazing college careers don't even get drafted? They were winners, completed a high percentage of their passes, didn't turn the ball over yet no one wants them. Why? Because they lack specific tools that will allow them to succeed at the next level. Kellen Moore comes immediately to mind.
Well I kinda knew you would get the message. I was busy last week and didn't get any of these comments until today. Nice to see you have resorted to name calling though. Not surprised considering how dense you are.
I guess once again you see something that Harbaugh and other expert analysts missed because I watched the game and heard plenty of people talk afterwards about how well Kapernick played yesterday again and I agreed.
I don't force anything, it's called evidence that supports my argument. Keep denying what is actually happening because the writing is on the wall and I happen to agree with Harbaugh and you do not but I guess that doesn't matter as apparently your opinion trumps his on the topic of who gives the 49ers the best chance to win a Super Bowl. You my friend are football retarded.
So that is two good games played by Kaepernick. And it would at least appear that I see the exact same thing Harbaugh does here as he has seen it fit to bench Alex Smith this week (even though he was cleared to play, hmmmmmm). The only reason I compared my opinion to that of football evaluators is because we seem to agree here on who should be their starting QB. If Kaepernick stats again next week there will be zero doubt as to who Harbaugh believes is the better QB right now and who gives them the chance to win it all this year instead of coming up short.
To the dope who tried to compare Alex Smith to Tom Brady - stop before you start. Now if you want to compare Alex Smith to say Chad Pennington because they both have noodle arms feel free to do so. Brady might not have the strongest arm, but it is certainly stronger than Alex Smith's and has PROVEN himself an elite QB. If Tom Brady were a free agent and on the open market the same time Alex Smith was, who would get more interest (despite Brady being older)? No need to answer that as we all know the answer. Heck, Smith couldn't get anyone to want him after last season and now he gets benched in favor of a guy making his 2nd NFL start.
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I'm not confused about anything. Franchise quarterbacks have certain skills that Alex Smith does not have (ones that Kaepernick does have, namely arm strength). Again, I don't pay attention to stats alone. Have you seen any coaches tape on Smith this season? If not I suggest you get some. He misses seeing open receivers all the time on the intermediate and deep routes. You can have Alex Smith all to yourself. Buy his jersey, stand in line to get his autograph, I don't care. But I believe one thing, that come Feb. 3rd Alex Smith will be sitting at home in his living room watching two franchise QB's battle it out. The 49ers are head and shoulders better than almost any team in the NFL from top to bottom with the exception of the QB position. If they had a true franchise QB they'd be booking hotel rooms in New Orleans right now.
And you spew the same nonsense to me. Like I said don't take my word for it. Take Matt Bowen, Jim Harbaugh or any of the 31 GM's and countless player personnel directors who didn't care that Smith was available to them in the off season. But then again, we may all be wrong and you might be right and Alex Smith is on his way to Canton.
I admit that he's played better than I expected going into this year (If you recall I expected him to turn the ball over more than he did last year, which he has done, but I did expect him to turn it over even more than he has thus far). But I've watched every game and he is still no better than a game manager. I stick with my opinion that the 49ers can not win a Super Bowl with him behind center. If you are incapable of reading in between the lines the vast majority of the NFL talent evaluators think the same way I do.
You can see the Bears change strategy though after the first quarter. They had more guys in the box to start the game and that is when they were asking Kaepernick to beat them and he did (look at the 1st quarter stats pass-rush yards by the 49ers). It was after that 1st quarter that I felt like the 49ers offensive line took the game over with the power running game, but the game all ready seemed like it was over due to Kaepernick playing so well to start the game. It seemed to knock the wind out of the Bears defense and then the 49ers offensive line made sure they never got it back.
Don't get me wrong, I agree wiht you that the 49ers ended up dominating the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. But I felt that was set-up by the fast start by Kaepernick.
Blah, blah, blah. His numbers are slighty up in some categories and down in others (he's turning the ball over more this year). But you have always failed to see my point when it comes to Alex Smith. I don't need to look at stats to decide if a player is bad, good, above average or excellent. I simply need to watch them play on the field. Alex Smith lacks critical skills to being a franchise quarterback. He is nothing more than a game manager, a good one at that, but nothing more. In today's NFL I believe you can not win a Super Bowl with a game manager behind center. You need a franchise quarterback. If Smith was a franchise qb teams would have tried to sign him in the off season (no one did). If he was a franchise qb the 49ers wouldn't have made a play for Manning who was coming off neck surgery and had major questions concerning his health. You don't have to take my word for it since you obviously don't value my opinion. But this article isn't written if Matt Bowen thought Alex Smith was franchise qb material. The 49ers don't talk to Manning if Harbaugh felt Smith was a franchise qb. So while my opinion doesn't mean anything to you maybe there's does.
The Bears lost last night because of two basic reasons and it had nothing to do with Lovie Smith:
1) There offensive line is simply horrible. I've said before and I'l say it again, the Bears will struggle to beat any team with a great pass rush. It is why they lose to teams like GB, Giants and 49ers. These teams can simply get after the QB ith speed off the edge and there is nothing the Bears can do to stop it. It doesn't matter who is behind center in these situations either. It doesn't matter what Tice tries to teach these guys. They are simply inferior players and until you upgrade them you'l continue to see the same results against teams like this.
2) The Bears begged Colin Kaepernick to beat them and he did just that, repeatedly. They stacked the box with 8+ guys and lined up man to man with safeties covering. The receivers beat the safeties and Kaepernick continued to deliver the ball. He was brilliant last night.