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I almost think they ought to give Andy the last couple weeks of the season off. I just don't see any reward for playing McCoy, but there is a lot of risk. I think if Andy was playing there next year and looking at the best interest of the team, he would put him on IR and make sure to get him back 100% next year. Since he is trying to go out of Philly on the only high note he can, he's thinking of playing him.
It was a good play, the special teams unit on the return team gave Seattle the look they needed and it obviously was an on field audible. He forgot to pull it out at that point. Sure he was happy his team made a good play, what did you expect? Him to run around fuming over it? I am sure his only regret is that now it is on film and teams will be a bit more prepared in a game they may really need it in. It isn't like Buffalo is a team they are facing twice a year who will remember that. They won't play again till 2016, and likely Buffalo will have a completely different roster/staff by then. 319 yards of offense in the first half drives. 122 in the 2nd half drives (19 yards on their 4th quarter drives). I'd call that putting on the brakes overall.
I think Sanchez will get a shot as a backup or with a chance to compete with the starter. Say Arizona for example, where he can step in if whatever rookie they get isn't ready in week 1. Or a team like Minnesota or Jacksonville who isn't sold on their young QB and need a backup plan if the team is playing well enough to compete. No team is going to hinge their season on him as a #1, but I am sure he will land with a 1.5 mil type of salary somewhere.
Wow... A couple years ago you could have run this same exact quote but change the QB to Donovan McNabb. He's unable to take the hits he needs to take to be effective with his style of play and 10 years after turning pro, still can't run a normal offense. 2nd straight year of decline and he's 33 next year. Better find yourself a nice backup job in Pittsburgh or something.
I see the list a great QB Needs.. Consistency up front, running game, and elite weapons. No offense but QB's have missed those all the time. Look at the Colts run game and line (the same line that only gave up 16 sacks the year before for Peyton) once he was gone. Tony Ugoh who can't even find a job was once his starting blindside tackle in a year he took the lowest sack % in the NFL. QB's make their weapons better. The one thing they were talking about his move to Denver is how bad the weapons were. Tamme hadn't done much unless with Peyton, Decker and Thomas were inconsistent at best... But look what happens when you give them an elite QB. Stevie Johnson and Chandler aren't bad. No worse than what SF is playing with. Spiller has a 1000 yard season averaging over 6 yards per carry, which is insane.
Brady was elite before he had great weapons, and a great running game. He became all world once those parts showed up. No offense but Givens, Graham, Antowain Smith, and Branch aren't great weapons. Hankerson, Garcon, and Moss aren't great in Washington. Neither is their O-line (outside of what Shanahan can do with the run game).
My problem with Fitzpatrick is he hasn't improved the past few years. He has 3000 yards, 23 TD's and 20 turnovers. The same exact numbers he had 2 years ago. In fact in the year and a half since he got that big contract he has been quite a bit worse than the previous year and a half.
How often do we see a guy doing well with an elite QB get called a great WR or TE and go to a team that needs to put weapons around their QB and he fails miserably? Moss post-Brady? How great was Welker looking with QB issues in Miami? Remember when Santonio Holmes was a piece people thought Pittsburgh couldn't win without?
Great QB's make their guys look better. I don't think Fitzpatrick is doing that, and whether or not he got that 60 million dollar contract, if he isn't living up to it you can call him out.
If I am Stevie Johnson or CJ Spiller and know that my QB is clearly not playing up to his expectations or salary you better believe I want my GM to be saying that isn't acceptable. Because if he wants to sit pat with a QB who is just folding in the 4th quarter again and again I am looking for a trade.
Well no offense on McElroy, but he put up 7 points in a quarter and a half against a team that gave up 31 to the pathetic Rams the week before and 58 to the Seahawks the following week. I don't even think we've seen him try to throw to the left or down the field once yet. If he isn't playing well enough to be the #2 in practice, I don't think that one drive where a penalty got them more yards than he threw for and that was nearly all running is enough to move a late draft pick up the depth chart. Now if they go with Tebow, I think he should be the #2 though and don't dress Sanchez.
SO glad justice was done, gave me hope for humanity yet that they found him guilty.
I just hope he finds out that the state pen's showers aren't as much fun as the Penn State's showers.
Usually I am ok with most holdout instances. Outplaying your rookie contract in muliple years, fine. Got the franchise tag... fine. Signed an extension or with a new team and exceeded all expectations for a couple years, fine hold out. Making less than your backups, fine hold out.
But the frontloaded contract deal isn't one of those IMO.
He got a deal for 12.5 mil a season with 32.5 million guaranteed in 2010
That is more than Champ got (10.8 mil a year, 15 mil guaranteed)
More than Routt (10.8 a year, 20 mil guaranteed)
And more than the last two top FA corners in an expanding salary cap:
2011 Aso 12 mil a year 25 mil guaranteed
2012 Brandon Carr 10 mil a year 25.5 guaranteed
So he is STILL the recipient of the best contract for a cornerback in the history of the league.
The issue was they paid him so much up front. 13.5 mil due over the next two years, after the windfall of 32.5 million in his first two years.
It is the old T.O. talk. He said he was not even a top 10 paid receiver in Philly. Sure, not THAT year. The year before he was the top one, and his contract still made him a top 5 paid receiver overall.
In my opinion he was given a deal that paid him as the leagues top corner because he was the leagues top corner. Holding out back then was fine, he was on a rookie deal and was one of the lowest paid Jet DB's that year. He still is a top corner, that hasn't changed and that pay is still in line with his talent level. Had he felt he was being underpaid, he should have not signed that last deal, and fought for more money instead of taking the frontloaded money and then acting upset.
I don't blame him for letting that stand in the way. I wouldn't want my team doing that. As long as he is 100% available for all mandatory practices, camps, and games, they shouldn't have any say about what he does with his off time barring the usual standard rules. ie. Don't get arrested, follow team curfews when in effect, don't put yourself in a position to get hurt (running with the bulls, driving a motorcycle, climb Mt Everest, etc). The CBA already outlines the marketing rules for an NFL player (no liquor or gambling advertisements, and those kinds of things).
Taryn, you don't have to be part of it to snitch on it. Just because you snitched to the teacher that a kid was cheating on his test doesn't mean you were cheating too.
And no Shockey shouldn't have his job over this. Sapp has a source who he used, and he wasn't accusing him of breaking any laws or beating his wife, just helping an NFL investigation for a team he no longer plays for. Snitch is a perfectly acceptable word for what his source said Shockey did.
As for Sapp "straightening things out" I don't see how that has happened. He just said he stands by his source. So no matter what they talked about, Sapp is still saying Shockey was a whistleblower on bountygate. I have a feeling that Shockey doesn't agree (at least publicly).
It might not be all about the money (though he has clearly outplayed his contract thus far and I understand why he does want more). His teams defense is older and fell last year to 31st in the league (2nd to last) in points allowed. His QB while just a rookie didn't show any improvement last year (actually he got worse as the year went on). Minnesota isn't exactly known as a great winter destination.
I was hoping Philly would take a look at him last year, but instead they went with Marlin Jackson who was on IR all season.
Awesome Taryn, absolutely awesome.
Kinda sucks to have the same person in charge of your appeal, but that is what the union agreed to when they signed a new CBA. Also I still don't believe Roger would give the NFL a big black eye like this without a reason. As a fan I would love to see the proof someday, but understand it is a company matter first and foremost, and if there were whistleblowers, their identities should be protected at all costs.
There's a lot of risk on these guys as well.
Andre Carter is also 33, won't help on special teams if he doesn't make your starting lineup, and has always been a boom or bust player. Could be another pickup like the Bills and Shawn Merriman very easily.
Steinbach has back issues, still isn't recovered from them (85% by his own count yesterday), and the Browns want nothing to do with him even though Pinkston was arguably the worst starting guard in the NFL last year.
Antwan Odom hasn't recorded a sack in over two and a half years now. He hasn't been able to lift weight for months due to that wrist injury. Throw in an achilles tear, off-field issues (found with drugs and guns in his car), the foot injury, the shoulder injury, the fact he is 30, and that nearly 1/4 of his career sacks came against the Packers when Clifton got hurt, and you'd better be very desperate for a DE to work him out.
I'd have to see something special in a workout to release a young draft pick or UDFA I really liked for one of those names.
In other news Andy Reid, Donovan McNabb, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, and Marvin Lewis also backed up Jerry Jones' sentiments by saying "TO can still play at a high level. Please, let any team but mine take a look at him, preferably put him in a locker room inside our division."
Ahhh that makes sense. I still think it shows just how hard even the first round guys are when just about everyone in the league can call Jamarcus Russell a better NFL prospect than Aaron Rodgers on draft day. Of course you are looking at a very small set of work, in what could be a completely different scheme, with such a big difference in talent.
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So you think even though Eli in his 2007 SB on his first TD drive had backups catch every single pass (Boss with the big catch and run, then Steve Smith, and Tyree), as well as those guys being huge on the final TD drive, and that on the opening FG drive 3 of the 4 third downs were converted by backups (Steve Smith and Bradshaw) and that 7 different D linemen had pressures or sacks on Brady that depth wasn't HUGELY responsible for that win? Eli doesn't lead his offense to 17 points without depth and that isn't enough to win the game anyways if the Giants depth doesn't stop the Pats. He didn't lay an egg, but 2 TD's 1 INT and 2 fumbles while leading your offense to 17 points isn't exactly stunning either.
You can find game after game where the biggest stars disappeared or were outplayed in the SB and their teams still won. Charles Woodson in the Packers SB, Big Ben in his first SB, Walter Payton, Elway in his first, Shannon Sharpe with Denver, The Dallas triplets against Pittsburgh (250 yards of offense, 1 extended drive scored, other two were off turnovers giving them great field position), plenty of times the starting QB wasn't even playing in the SB.
Same with the 2nd SB. Did you miss Manningham on that final drive?
And while the SB is the top priority of course it isn't "all that matters". It isn't SB or bust for the Dolphins this year. If they don't win the SB it sure as heck matters that they see great play out of Tannehill instead of another Ryan Leaf don't you think? If winning the SB was all that matters, Jim Harbaugh should be on the hot seat right now for not winning one. If it was all that matters, then there's no difference between having Cutler at QB and having Rex Grossman as your starter.
Improving your team matters, fixing issues from the previous year matters. Ultimately Houston, without some major players was able to have the depth to compete with playoff caliber teams. I think that is HUGE for the Texans, knowing that with their #3 QB, they were within one play of going to the AFC championship game. Why do you think the bears will do well? Because they have a roster with talent and were nearly able to make the playoffs despite some major injuries. That is why they are confident as well. Had Cutler thrown 30 INT's and just 4 TD's and the bears went 0-16, things would be different wouldn't you say?
I think that adding depth (or taking marginal starters and making them depth by adding better players like Marshall and Carimi) is a big thing for the bears this year.
I agree that O-line depth and DB depth could be this teams achilles heel this year. 2008 was the last time the bears really had a healthy line. Last year 1 starter started all 16 games, the year before only two.
And no offense, but just naming every FA aquisition as obvious depth doesn't answer the need for quality depth. Geno Hayes is arguably the worst run defending linebacker on the worst run defense last year. Wilhite was buried on the depth chart after seeing him play in NE then let go. Then in Denver he went from starter (giving up 7 catches to Davone Bess), to nickel, to special teamer. If a poor pass D has passed on you TWICE in the past two years, I wouldn't count on you as good depth. Hayden could be a nice pickup, back in a tampa 2. But they also lost Bowman, Merriweather, and Graham.
@southsidetom @Bill_Bates_40 @rotunder
"You don't win Super Bowl because of depth; you win it because you have great players at important positions."
Both of those are HUGE. NE isn't a dynasty if they don't have QB depth (ability to put in brady for Bledsoe, and Bledsoe's playoff game) THe 03 team lost guys like Vrable, Ted Washington, and McGinest. They were still the #1 D because they had depth. The next year it was their DB's, guys like Poole and Ty Law. They had depth in a corner named Asante Samuel, and even had to go to WR's who stepped up and made plays on D. When Keith Traylor was no longer effective they had depth of a guy named Vince Wilfork step in and finish the season strong for them.
Where is GB without that depth a couple years ago? They had 45 different guys start for them. They were on their 5th corner at times in the SB.
Is the Colts D as dominant in the playoffs without Bob Sanders and Mike Doss without Depth in the form of Bethea and Marlin Jackson? Can they win without their RB depth that year with Addai and Rhodes?
Do the Giants get any rings without that great depth at D-line, sending fresh guys in and letting them go full bore all game after Brady? Having guys like Osi, Strahan, and Jacobs was great. Having depth like Tuck and Ward and Bradshaw got them a ring. Having Steve Smith ruined sucked for the Giants. Having Manningham miss a huge part of the season wasn't any better. Having depth in Victor Cruz made them a playoff team. Osi's out for half the year. WE got Tuck, Canty, and Pierre Paul. Depth
Or the depth at RB for the Saints their SB year. They had three guys, when one was dinged up the others would step up. Brees has still been great, that run game hasn't been there the last couple years though.
Depth has always been hugely important. Ask teams what depth at the QB position with guys like Earl Morrall, Kurt Warner, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, or Jeff Hostetler can mean.
It is kind of funny when you look at the SB era teams, the top 3 are usually considered the 85 Bears, the 72 Fins and the 89 49ers. Those teams were on their backup QB for 19 games.
You can't sit there and say that depth isn't important and blame your season on an injury. Houston lost their QB at 7-3 as well. Same exact record. They lost their best defensive player (Mario Williams) 5 games into the season too. They still won a playoff game. WHy? Connor Barwin stepped into that pass rusher role and did well. The backup QB's played fairly well.
The Bears didn't crumble because Cutler got hurt, they crumbled because they didn't have any depth behind him.
Even the best stars really only are able to shine 3 out of 4 games. That other game the rest of the team has to step up and carry them if they are going to be a SB team. Rodgers will have that game like the one vs. Chicago in the NFC championship game. Because of depth on D in the form of guys like Sam Shields, they were able to come out ahead and play for a ring.
Never say never with Miami. The last time they got a new coach and QB, it was Sparano and Pennington and they went from 1-15 to 11-5. Miracles have happened there.
But their entire post Marino existance has come down to the failure to fill the QB position with someone who can play well consistently. How sad is it, that the stop-gap solution (Jay Fiedler) may very well be the best post-Marino QB.
And how surprising is it that they haven't used a 1st round pick until this year? Their last two times they drafted a QB in the first it worked out ok for them. They got Marino last time, and Bob Griese the time before that.
This season, like most will come down to how their QB's play. They had the best D in the division last year (sorry Jets, you guys really struggled), a good run game and still couldn't come close to a winning season. The chasm between those with an elite QB, and those with a below average one is just HUGE in today's NFL.
How are the bills an "upstart" team? They won 6, 4, and 6 games the past three years, their D is horrendous, and have lost 8 of their last 9 games last year. Sure they "won" the DE part of free agency, but who is their left tackle now? Fitzpatrick was pretty awful down that final stretch, if he doesn't show that early season form he had last year, they could be the next team hiring a new coach and QB.
I was going to say the same thing as Ursa. Especially left Tackle. Sure you have your busts, Gallery, Leonard Davis, etc, but they seem to be a lot rarer than at other positions. And sometimes they turn out to be pretty good linemen at other positions.
Just from a standpoint of looking at busts, I would think that DT is one of the harder ones to scout. Of the last 50+ taken in the top 10, which goes back nearly 50 years only three have ever made the HOF. Suh is the only one of the last ten taken in the top 10 (not counting this years draft) to be a pro-bowler. Actually looking at the 11-20th picks you have more recent pro-bowl talents (Haynesworth, Ngata, and Tommie Harris) and as many HOFers.
Sure for every Peyton you get a Leaf, but here it seems for every Suh you get a Dan Wilkinson, a Gerard Warren, a Glenn Dorsey, a Ryan Sims, a DeWayne Robertson, and a Johnathan Sullivan.