ArcticWarrior
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@majrod @Tango9 Ya gots to stop eye fuckin everyone with that everyone is a Charlie look .... ; )
@Tango9 @ArcticWarrior Loved that Depp wore a CIA shirt in public in "Once Upon a Time in Mexico"
But Mendes steals the show. Smokin....
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2003_Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Mexico/2003_Once_in_Mexico_029.jpg
@Tango9 You wouldn't believe how many guys I know who wear there Police Olympics Ts or LE type shirts. To me its foolish. My wife wears my old PT shirts for cleaning the house. Like you said why bring attention, especially with the snatch patch haircut giving it away.
@StormR @ArcticWarrior @Virginstateofmind Bystander Syndrome. Or people who see a pedestrian hit by a vehicle and don't stop etc. Everyone hopes someone else will help or make the call.
@Virginstateofmind No the DA only had 2 witnesses that actually saw any part of the crime, and only 5 who had anything that could be used at trial. The 38 and other "details" came from a poorly researched NY Times article. A few witnesses said when Kitty left under her own power they saw no need to call NYPD, 2 however did call PD. The TV version of the case is radically different from the Court transcripts. Bystander syndrome didn't play into at all. It was bad newspaper reporting and editing.
@Virginstateofmind There is a lot of myth in the Genovese case, and it was back in the early/mid sixties
@majrod @ArcticWarrior @Tango9 @JackMurphyRGR @Old PH2 leaders (lower case intended) nowadays are risk averse, have tiny steroid balls and are generally only into getting reelected. The list of dirt nap candidates gets longer by the day and yet they still walk.
@Tango9 @ArcticWarrior @JackMurphyRGR @Old PH2 Yeah its muddy, dirty stuff that years on people forget about. And that is what I believe "they" want.
Covert action sometimes is the only real "solution".
Its hard enough doing legal wranglings with a friendly govt let alone with whatever it is in Libya right now.
@Tango9 @JackMurphyRGR @Old PH2 They normally work the extradition angle OR the Achille Lauro type of thing where we get agreements from the host nation ( in the AL it was Italy, the ship was flagged Italian, when they were turned over on Italian soil Italy assured us they would be tried etc -it didn't work out exactly like we planned, look up that cast and see where they ended up)
In the case of Lockerbie it was lots of negotiating with Mo, the Scots and us. The FBI can be "invited" to participate by the host nation to assist in the investigation. But in the Lockerbie terrorist attack the perp was traded for $$$$ after a relatively short stint in lockup and sent back home. Gotta love politics.
From wiki:
The fate of those convicted of the hijacking is varied:
- Ahmad Marrouf al-Assadi disappeared in 1991 while on parole, but in 1994 was known to Spanish authorities, during the trial of Monzer al-Kassar.[Note 2]
- Bassam al-Asker was granted parole in 1991. He was thought to have died on February 21, 2004, but according to the Lebanese Daily Star, he had instead fled the country. He spent 14 years in Iraq, training Palestinian militiamen to fight the US army alongside Iraqi rebels, before travelling to the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp in Lebanon, where he resided as of 2007.[11]
- Ibrahim Fatayer Abdelatif was sentenced to 30 years' imprisonment. He served 20 and three more on parole and on July 7, 2008, he was expelled from an illegal immigrant detention center in Rome. He plans to appeal this, arguing that he has nowhere else to go since Lebanon will not allow his return as he was born in a refugee camp and is thus not a Lebanese citizen.
- Youssef Majed al-Molqi, convicted of killing Leon Klinghoffer, was sentenced to 30 years. He left the Rebibbia prison in Rome on February 16, 1996, on a 12-day furlough and fled to Spain, where he was recaptured and extradited back to Italy. On April 29, 2009, Italian officials released him from prison early, for good behaviour.[12] In June 2009, however, al-Molqui's attorney told the Associated Press that the Italian authorities had placed his client in a holding cell and were about to deport him to Syria.[ According to several sources, the head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, was personally involved in al-Moliqui's release, although this was officially denied
The Adminstration, or elements connected within, probably hoped the FBI wouldn't be that good. These guys can never go to trial. It ends by carbomb, motorcycle shooter or just dead in a ditch.
@LawyerHandle Its PC all the way.
@Grigori @ArcticWarrior The Lobsterbacks are pretty hard core downrange and were pretty hard against the IRA, but at home in England and Wales, against the same enemy as they were fighting in Stannie, they have some kind of pullback the reins, lets be civilized about this mentality. Baffling.
@Tango9 @momengineer @Recon6 @Tye1987 @shooten @Grigori Also have to give them the SAS/Iranian Embassy thing, in broad daylight, which is why I don't understand how they became so pacifist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuxk2K5JxLw
@Grigori @ArcticWarrior Next might be a Clonoe or South Armagh shooter type situation. The only outcome can be of the emboldened type. If you were a Jihaddi wannabe and you saw that LE reaction time and response, the cards are in your favor for escalation and boldness of action. They need an SAS/ N Ireland shoot to kill policy included in future academy classes, not a lets go up the flagpole, ask for help and permission policy while we let bad guys do a PR interview in front of us in broad daylight.
@Tango9 @Recon6 @Tye1987 @momengineer @shooten @Grigori But they did give us Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath
@Tango9 @ArcticWarrior Im not sure what there Chain of Command is, if they are restricted until a supe gives the Ok for hands on or an escalation, but yeah drive your car into him, those guys could have at any moment started going all Nigerian machete on the crowd. I saw women with small children and baby strollers right there gawking. And uniforms standing there... watching and waiting....
@Tango9 Better yet did the firearms deficient police have ASP's or Tasers? Are they trained in Combatives and H2H? After that female officer was stabbed to death a couple of years ago, did they start wearing shank vests and if not, why?
@Tango9 @Ventoux @JackMurphyRGR @LawyerHandle Specialized units/officers carry, maybe 1 out of every 5? I thought they all carried Tazers though. The N Ireland police force are all armed, wonder why.....
@Tango9 @ArcticWarrior Lol...Im all about the pull ups competition now with my Batt boy buddy at work. The last time I hit flutter kicks hard it caused me to pee sitting down....