Margie Clayman
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@DrewCM You raise an important point. There is a tendency to attack the people who do make the lists as if they're undeserving. I don't want to go there, I'd just like to see more diversity. I have to believe it's an attainable goal. There have got to be folks out there who are equally deserving of kudos but aren't getting 'em.
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@Joshua Wilner/A Writer Writes I dunno. I find it hard to believe that only white American men are good at marketing their blogs. That doesn't seem likely to me.
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@Seth Sklar I agree. That's why I said I don't want the answer to be, "Let's make a list of the top xyz" people. That doesn't accomplish anything. I would even say that segregation can make the situation worse. "There, we placated everybody." It's a short-cut.
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@TheRelationshipInsider I think a lot of people approach lists that way, which is great. However, lists also have a certain power associated with them, you know? And when you have power in the online world, what you say and do matters. The message these lists send is negative or at best myopic, whether a lot of us pay them much attention or not.
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@Tweet4OK Thanks Frith. I'd love to chat with you some time about how social media usage differs in Europe. We've touched on that slightly on Hecklers' Hangout but I think it would be interesting to learn how Europeans view Americans online. It might be humbling for us 'muricans, in fact.
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@leaderswest Thanks Jim. It's a tricky issue. On the one hand, lists don't really matter. That's true. In the grand scheme of things, little slices of issues don't *seem* to matter. But I feel these lists betray a way of thinking, a damaging way of thinking, that we are letting slide by in the online world. At least here in the US. I find that part of it very disconcerting and very important.
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@Danny Brown I also wonder if by linking to these lists in protest we aren't propagating the same things. I've tried to make my own lists in response but that also ends up ticking people off too if they don't "make it." There should be a better way to infiltrate the world of professional list makers.
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@Danny Brown Thanks Danny. I remember that post of yours really well. I didn't know Olivier back then so I guess I'll have to go back and read his. Too bad it's two years on and we're still talking about the same stuff, huh?
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@OneJillian Absolutely it made sense, and I thank you for your great thoughts.
To an extent I agree - Americans are more likely to promote Americans just as Germans would be more likely to promote Germans. Even given that though, are there only five women in the whole social media world that should make these lists? I find that hard to believe. There are a lot of great people who might be non-white, non-male, still American, who get the shaft. So then we need to look at who these listmakers are. What is the pool they're swimming in? How do we change that?
It has been rubbing me the wrong way for about as long as I've been online, so I thought I'd end my silence about it.
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@RaulColon Indeed. That last bit is what I'm most worried about. Thanks, sir.
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@prosperitygal Ain't it the truth.
@SusanGiurleo1 Fair point. I've experienced it myself though. I went to a museum with a friend and she spent the whole time texting. Maybe my crowd is more tech-addicted than yours :)
@SusanGiurleo1 Paradoxically, I think you need to look online, not offline, to see it. Consider how many people post pictures while cuddling with their kids or while at anniversary dinners. That's what I am basing my own sentiment on. I've witnessed a lot of what she is talking about.
@JillKroppManty It's not just about representing yourself to others though. It's what you start to believe about yourself. I think it's much easier to deceive yourself into thinking you're whatever you want to be if you are your definition of successful online. In fact, the last chapter I read of Turkle's book talks about this man whose life is falling apart, and the more his real life falls apart, the more he falls into these games where he can rule the world, save peoples' lives, build new things, etc. He has become so addicted to the fake him that he can hardly stand his real life. It was extremely disconcerting to read. Then you think about that kind of self-deception in social media, which is a little closer to real life than Civilization. It makes me cringe to imagine how some people must think of themselves based on their online success.
@NancyCawleyJean Yes, it's that second nature thing that makes me feel kind of off-kilter. I took time away from posting from Facebook a couple of months ago. I commented on other peoples' stuff but I didn't post anything new myself. It became more and more obvious to me, the first couple of days, how often I got the impulse to post something to Facebook. It kind of freaked me out a little, to be honest. :)
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