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Just to add to my prior comments, now that I have jumped into the pool, what has me upset is not that we have had such a dismal 50 game stretch.That happens.That can happen to teams that are trying their damndest to win. My frustration with the Giants corporate management is that I no longer believe that they care as much about winning baseball games as I do.

Rightly or wrongly, I believed that Peter Magowan, and then Bill Newcomb, wanted a World Championship as much as I did.I don’t feel that way about the current group, headed by Larry Baer. I get the sense that they are now fat and happy to cash in on recent success and are not driven to keep this team, the baseball product on the field, at the top.

The result of this attitude is that they have taken their eye off the ball, so to speak. They have neglected their core product, the baseball team, and if this continues they will alienate their core customer base, the San Francisco Giants baseball fans.

Rotten to the core is a bad business model. You would think (hope) that even Larry understands that.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/

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@West Coast Ram @paulfromturlock 

You kind of answered for me, already.  I was delighted when they were up by 9.5 games, pleasantly surprised by Morse (and that's probably an understatement), a little nervous about Romo as closer, and generally uncomfortable that their success was so dependent upon about 3/5 of their 25 man roster, with very little to back that up, and 100 games remaining.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/

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@RDyer @paulfromturlock 

I don't have a problem with management wanting to expand the demographic.  However, I believe it is a flawed model, a false choice and bad business judgment if management believes that they don't have to invest continually and wisely in the core product, on the field and just as importantly on the farm, while at the same time catering to the non-baseball entertainment for the more casual fans and others who are there just to have a good time regardless of the game.

While AT&T and SBC and PacBell have always had high attendance, I don't think it is a coincidence that the consecutive game sellout streak began in 2010 and continued through 2012 to the present.

It is more fun for everyone when the Giants are winning and if management does not understand that, and instead thinks that they can forever mask the smell of a team like this, their 40 man roster and the farm system with buckets of perfume, I predict that they will be in for an unpleasant surprise.

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Responding primarily to Robert here, and without any hard evidence, but while I do blame Baer and Sabean for this current mess, I 'm not sure that Bochy has bought into it in the same way.  I think he may find himself confronted with it and trying publicly to make the best that he can of it.

So while Larry sits in his den at night counting his past rings and current coins, looking back over his shoulder to make sure he is alone, cackling with glee, I picture Bruce laying in bed at night, albeit a very fine bed, wondering just where this baseball train is headed.

2 days, 9 hours ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/

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Gotta say that my immediate reaction to the trade was "Oy! The news just keeps getting worse."  But that could just be part of the hangover from being at the game last night with my son.  Two field club tickets - $262.  Two Cokes - $11.  And what did we get to see?  Blanco, Uggla, Sanchez, Crawford batting .236, then Arias, Duvall, Colvin and Panik competing with Gordon, Puig, Gonzalez, Ramirez, Kemp, Crawford and Uribe.  If you can call that competing.  At least we had the thrill of watching one solid major league team showing how the game is supposed to be played at that level.


I also have to say that I am sick and tired of the Giants trying to distract their fans with gardens and kiss cams and dance-offs and t-shirt shooting cannons.  How about trying to attract us with a major league baseball game between two major league teams that are supposed to be competing to win their division?  It truly felt like a minor league sideshow last night, except for the fact that it cost me almost $275 bucks.  If you're going to give us a minor league experience, how about charging us minor league prices????


But then again, there was that one really good team that came to play last night and entertained the crowd.  Or at least some of it.  In the 9th inning, my son looked around AT&T and commented to me that he had never before seen the place so empty.


I hope Larry Baer starts thinking about that.  I fear that Giants management is completely misreading the room in terms of why a lot of fans are there.  And if Sabean is so truly flummoxed by the predicament and cannot figure out what to do, maybe it's time to find a GM who can figure it out.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/

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If I never see Blanco pop out weakly on the second pitch of his at bat again, from the lead-off spot, it will be too soon.  And just to be clear, I don't blame Blanco.  That's who he is.  That's who he has been.  That's who he will be.

However, for a team so dependent upon Pagan and Morse in the outfield this year, with their history of injuries, I think Giants' management should have anticipated the potential need for another outfielder who could either bat lead-off, or hit with power, just in case.

Similarly with second and third base. The Giants were poorly positioned for the possibility of Scutaro or Sandoval landing on the DL.  Hasn't happened with Sandoval this year but it did with Belt.  

A team that is 7 or 8 deep in its lineup and 7 or 8 deep in its pitching has potential to do great over the short stretch, but not over 162 games.  Over the course of 162 games, the difference between a 25 man major league roster and a 16 man major league roster probably costs a team at least 12 - 15 games, if you ask me.  That's not the players fault.  It's the law of averages. 

There are plenty of other teams out there with complete 25 man rosters, and they will be the teams that tend to win those extra 12 games.

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/lack-of-depth-highlights-the-giants-current-tailspin.html

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@Robert Haymond  

My only disagreement is with your assessment of the 2010 and 2012 teams.   With Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Wilson, Romo, Affeldt, Lopez, and maybe even Sanchz and Zito, the 2010 team had the best pitching staff in the playoffs, they had some batters get hot (Sanchez, Ross, Posey, Huff, Renteria) and a manager who managed the pants off his opponent.
The 2012 team also had a very strong pitching staff, and some batters get hot (Scutaro and Sandoval, in particular.)  That's the same formula for World Series championships that has been used by other teams for decades. 

3 months, 4 weeks ago on Giant Fans Down to Two Choices: Swallow the Kool-Aid or Hit the Panic Button

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Not to distract from the Mobius discussion, which I find quite interesting, just wanted to add that this blog reminded me of another type of line-up that I have seen used by mangers of softball teams where the #1 power hitter bats 4th, and the #2 power hitter bats 8th, with the three top on-base batters batting 1, 2, 3, and the last three guys (not counting pitcher) batting 5, 6, 7.

6 months, 3 weeks ago on Major League Baseball Line-up Revolution: The Mobius Theory

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Sabean fiddles while . . . 

As long as people fill the ballpark, buy beer, hotdogs and panda hats, the ownership will continue to feel the love no matter how far behind the Giants fall in the standings.  Ownership needs to start feeling the wrath.  I do not expect us to win the world series every year, but I do expect us to have a legitimate left fielder, a solid bench, a deeper bullpen and a starting rotation that is not made up of three #5 starters.  Their attempts to solve last year's problems would be considered a bad joke in many other markets.  All we need now is the addition of a 37 year old has-been left fielder who will bat 7th in the order and we should be set to challenge the Rockies.

7 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants Make Wrong Statement With Vogelsong Signing

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Enjoying the conversation.

On a tangential, though related topic, regarding the notion that the Giants ownership can continue to back up the Brink's truck to AT&T and shovel in the cash as long as they simply own a ballclub, I believe that will not last forever.  The glow from 2010 - 2012 will undoubtedly carry the team through 2013.  But by May of 2014, if the team is still scoring one run on 10 hits while giving up 3 runs on 8 hits, fan frustration will finally explode.  The consecutive sellout streak will not last until the Allstar break, and at least one out of the trio of Baer, Sabean and Bochy may not survive the 2014 season if it turns out to be a repeat of 2013.  Ownership may still be operating in the black, but they will not be feeling the love.  Whether or not that matters remains to be seen.

11 months, 4 weeks ago on Giants Choose Mediocrity to Appease Fanbase at Trade Deadline

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Not sure you can blame Sabean.  I think it may be Baer.  While the powers that be obviously won't admit it as long as they still have fans willing to pay top dollar for bottom product, they have clearly written off this year.  They are taking a calculated gamble that they have enough fans enamored with the uniform, two shiny trophies and Kruk and Kuip and Murph and Mac, that they have a year to play with.  The real test will be when they free up the Lincecum and Zito money, and then we can see whether they are willing to dig a little deeper into their pockets and do what it takes to put a major league team of 25 - 30 truly professional players back on the field in 2014.

1 year ago on Dodgers Get Nolasco, Take Brian Sabean’s Lunch Money, As They Continue to Ascend in the NL West

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good one; my phrase was "Giants Baseball - Unwatchable", but as I recall I think I felt the same way around this time in 2010 when we seemed to lead the universe in grounding into double plays, leaving guys stranded on the bases, etc.  But they did have three legitimate starting pitchers and a great bullpen in 2010; the thing that perhaps worries me most is that I expect that most Giants fans see us only three games out with all of the troubles we are having and are sitting back thinking that this thing will eventually turn itself around on its own.  Hopefully Baer and Sabean are not pickling in that barrel.

1 year, 1 month ago on Giants Unveil New Ad Catchphrase: "Together We've Hit the Bottom of the Barrel"

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