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@totalDuck The rest of the league has caught up with the Ducks a bit--those certain blowout victories of 2009-2012 will be rarer in the future.

3 hours, 44 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/can-scott-frost-and-the-oregon-coaches-figure-out-stanford-this-time-around.html

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@duckified A good start is the key for getting over that mental hurdle, which I think effects fans more than players.

3 hours, 45 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/can-scott-frost-and-the-oregon-coaches-figure-out-stanford-this-time-around.html

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@Platypus1 @SonomaDuck Containing Hogan, and keeping him from plodding out of the pocket for cheap first downs, is essential.

3 hours, 46 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/can-scott-frost-and-the-oregon-coaches-figure-out-stanford-this-time-around.html

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@hoboduck Not sure if he'll be number one overall. The Raiders are on pace to have the first pick, and they don't need a quarterback. He'll go early and defy the skeptics.

18 hours, 3 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-fundamental-mistake-people-make-in-evaluating-marcus-mariota-or-anyone.html

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@Platypus1 Freeman driving through tacklers for some first downs would ignite the Oregon offense. So would getting Mariota time to throw. Want to see him relaxed, not forcing the ball or trying to win the game on one play.

18 hours, 10 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/can-scott-frost-and-the-oregon-coaches-figure-out-stanford-this-time-around.html

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@Ducko30 Totally agree about getting an early lead. Very important for Oregon's mindset, shaking that feeling of frustration and inevitability. Struggling early would also dampen the crowd, one of their big advantages in the game.

18 hours, 11 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/can-scott-frost-and-the-oregon-coaches-figure-out-stanford-this-time-around.html

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@Ducko30 Interestingly, Manziel isn't even starting in Cleveland. A lot of times what passes for swagger is a waste of energy. Like we were talking about earlier in the week, quiet, focused confidence is way more effective and sustainable over a season and four quarters of a game.

20 hours, 6 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-fundamental-mistake-people-make-in-evaluating-marcus-mariota-or-anyone.html

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@DrakeMallard @SonomaDuck That story of Marcus' goals as a fourth grader is truly remarkable. Lots of little kids have dreams, but he had a vision. That speaks volumes about his determination, focus and maturity. Today, incidentally, is his 21st birthday. People forget how young he is.

20 hours, 8 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-fundamental-mistake-people-make-in-evaluating-marcus-mariota-or-anyone.html

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@SonomaDuck The Raiders have Derek Carr, so he could be safe there. Many projections have him going to Tampa Bay.  Best case scenario? Chip Kelly works a trade, and he goes to Philadelphia. They wouldn't run the Oregon offense there, but Kelly would be the best teacher for him, and take care of the Driver part TD describes.

20 hours, 10 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-fundamental-mistake-people-make-in-evaluating-marcus-mariota-or-anyone.html

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@totalDuck Chew on this stat for a second: Marcus Mariota needs 357 yards to become the first Oregon quarterback to reach 9000 yards passing. I like your description of personality types. Most NFL quarterbacks are probably Drivers, but Mariota will have great success in the right system with the right coach. Russell Wilson is probably an Amiable, and I suspect Drew Brees is also. Each won a Super Bowl. Tom Brady? He might be an Analytical. Terry Bradshaw was an Expressive.

20 hours, 13 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-fundamental-mistake-people-make-in-evaluating-marcus-mariota-or-anyone.html

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@rgyle @Dale Newton @sanclementeduck Devon Allen was the year before, but another great example of closing strong. Maybe the Ducks should find another top Juco linebacker like Blair Phillips.

1 day, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Jeremy Conant @Dale Newton I think it has most to do with Oregon's location in the rainy Willamette Valley, a long plane ride from most recruiting hotbeds.

1 day, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@atvinton @Dale Newton And I agree about Walker, who's Oregon's most improved defensive player along with French. He's really starting to get it at ILB.

1 day, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@atvinton @Dale Newton Those are all good points, atv, to be sure. At the same time I would say the run defense, the fact that defensive backs typically lead the Ducks in tackles and the linebackers have just 6 pass breakups and 0 interceptions 8 games into the season suggest they have an agility/recruiting problem at linebacker, particularly in the middle.

1 day, 19 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@atvinton The other thing is, it's those elite man-children like Cowart, Lucier-South and Josh Sweat that become difference makers and All-Americans. Everybody loves the Rudy story of the two-star who made it to the NFL, but talent wins games, and Stanford, USC, Alabama and Florida State recruit significantly more elite talent on defense, for a variety of reasons.

1 day, 19 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@atvinton To me the evidence of agility/loss of agility comes from observation. It doesn't matter what their shuttle times are: they're missing tackles in the open field, breaking down badly one-on-one with an open shot at a ball carrier. I've seen it several times as I watch back recent games, and the yards-after-contact numbers back that up. Hardrick in particular has had some complete misses that are telling.

1 day, 19 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@atvinton @sanclementeduck @rgyle ATV, I really appreciate the solid info you bring every day. Timu, Kendricks and Wright are great examples. The Ducks went big after 5-star Shaq Thompson and missed.

1 day, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Platypus1 @SonomaDuck The committee said the margin between Alabama, TCU and Oregon was "paper thin." The Ducks will get some clarity if they keep winning, because those SEC schools have to play each other. Ducks have to attend to their business for it to make any difference.

1 day, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Platypus1 Thanks Plat, I appreciate it. Very interested to see how the Ducks respond to the Stanford challenge this year. Last season The Cardinal had the ball 31 of the first 45 minutes. Oregon's linebackers have to play better to get them off the field.

1 day, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Platypus1 @rgyle @sanclementeduck You're right that the Ducks haven't developed many NFL stars at linebacker, but Spencer Paysinger and Casey Matthews have had NFL careers, Dion Jordan was a first-round draft pick, and both Eddie Pleasant and Josh Kaddu have spent time on NFL rosters. They've had more success at other positions, particularly in the defensive backfield.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@duckusuckers @Dale Newton @cfluegge He's already built that facility, the Hatfield-Downlin Center. With its state of the art weight room and film study rooms, it's a linebacker paradise.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Jeremy Conant In addition, Texas A&M, UCLA and Florida are more vulnerable after suffering disappointing seasons. The Gators top 20 class might become free agents if Will Muschamp and his  lose their jobs.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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In-depth story in the New York Times: high school teams forfeiting games and giving up football due concussions and other serious injuries. School officials concerned about a drop in participation and national reports of fatalities in the sport at the high school level


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/sports/football/football-injuries-lead-to-steady-stream-of-high-school-forfeitures.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Pro%20Football&action=keypress®ion=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@SonomaDuck The committee frosted a lot of the country with that SEC-heavy initial ranking. With 18 one-loss teams they picked three from the SEC West. Brutal. But Oregon is in a great position at five, because Auburn, Mississippi State, Alabama, LSU and Georgia have a round robin of cannibal water polo in the next few weeks, along with their usual November games against Prebyterian and Georgia Southern.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@cfluegge Those guys are particularly scarce in the Northwest, and relatively abundant in SEC country.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@cfluegge @sanclementeduck Oregon has become a destination school for skill players, who see how  well the offense featured DAT and LMJ.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@sanclementeduck 5-star prospect Keisean Lucier-South, an outside linebacker/defensive end with great size and quickness visits this weekend, among others. The Ducks will be concentrating on defensive recruiting for the next three months.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@sanclementeduck @rgyle The Oregon staff generally does a terrific job scouting and evaluating players, The Ducks have fourteen commits, a strong number for how thorough they are. They have some big visits this weekend,  a bye week in November and most of December and January  to make calls, watch film and make school and in-home visits. They closed strong last year, adding Jimmie Swain, Austin Maloata, Charles Nelson and Kahlil Oliver in the closing months.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@rgyle Houston would be a great get after visiting last week. The Junipero Serra star seems ticketed for USC, but he's said he liked his visit.


You allude to a second part of the problem in your comment, in that the Ducks gravitate athletes to the offense. Dante Rosario and Lyerla would have been monsters at middle linebacker. On the current sqad, Evan Baylis and Johnny Mundt were high-volume tacklers as linebackers in high school, currently buried on the depth chart behind Pharaoh Brown at tight end.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Jeremy Conant In getting players to the league, Oregon coaches can point to Alonso, and also the fact that Coaches Aiken and Chinander have coached in the NFL. Aiken went to a Super Bowl. The answer to a lot of thorny recruiting problems can be found in Texas. Wallace's washout was a big setback for the Ducks, a four-star prospect with good size, the son of an NFL player from a top high school that played a national schedule. He didn't progress the way they hoped.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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@Duckitect Utah does  a great job of coaching and finding players that fit their system, no doubt. They'll also do a great job of scouring for JUCO players.

1 day, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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Tip of the cap to reader atvinton, who provided the summary of linebacker recruiting in a livefyre comment earlier this week. I am continually appreciative of the dialogue and discussion on this site, which has made it a great atmosphere for Duck fans.

2 days, 3 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/the-glaring-hole-in-oregon-recruiting-and-how-it-haunts-the-ducks.html

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Great story by Andrew Greif of the Oregonian about some of the personal motivations among the Ducks. They're keeping some real-life struggles and great people in their thoughts as motivation for this season:


http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/10/oregon_ducks_football_players_2.html

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/scouting-the-cardinal-this-isnt-the-tyler-gaffney-and-shane-skov-show-anymore.html

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@DryDuckin SB The MSU comparison is apt. Oregon's defensive statistics are a little skewed negatively in that they've faced three of the conference's top offenses to start league play in Arizona, Washington State and Cal, each with an attack that the Ducks have some difficulty matching up with. Against a more conventional offense like Stanford's, they should match up better, and a full-throttle Autzen crowd should increase their urgency. 

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@hoboduck He does a great job on covering the business side of the PAC-12, television deals and such, but his understanding of the game leads to some sideways assertions. No amount of dried onions and salt could obscure how rotten and wrong that "Oregon has fewer elite playmakers" bit was. This weekend they may get two more back. Thomas Tyner and Keanon Lowe practiced today.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@MichaelBurgwin Yeah, Michael, it would. That would be quite a story.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@rgyle Wouldn't it be sweet to send The Cardinal to 5-4, and smash their defensive invincibility? I do respect everything they've accomplished, and the toughness they have. But sometimes, offense wins.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@FunkyDucky They have the most disciplined and fierce defense in the conference, and next weekend's opponent, Utah, is second.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@maine_duckfan Agree, MDF. Those red zone fumbles and missed open receivers have been costly over the last two years.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/scouting-the-cardinal-this-isnt-the-tyler-gaffney-and-shane-skov-show-anymore.html

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@FunkyDucky There's reason to be. Kalon at Addicted to Quack crunched the advanced numbers, and he predicts the Ducks to lose. He's a dedicated Duck fan, but when he looks at the metrics, Oregon's defense is weak and Stanford's is stifling.


http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2014/10/28/7083871/how-fei-and-s-p-see-the-game-oregon-vs-stanford-2014

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/scouting-the-cardinal-this-isnt-the-tyler-gaffney-and-shane-skov-show-anymore.html

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@atvinton Scoring first feels bigger in this game than normal. Getting and keeping an early lead is important. Stanford might defer if they did win the toss, with the confidence they have in their defense.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/scouting-the-cardinal-this-isnt-the-tyler-gaffney-and-shane-skov-show-anymore.html

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@sanclementeduck Safety Zach Hoffapuir is out, Parry is is questionable, and defensive lineman Azziz Shittu is out. For the Ducks, Arik Armstead and Thomas Tyner practiced today.

2 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/scouting-the-cardinal-this-isnt-the-tyler-gaffney-and-shane-skov-show-anymore.html

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@totalDuck Okay the lines are open--fire away. I think 6. The ranking at this point is to give ESPN a studio show and some ratings. There are 18 one-loss teams. This has to shake out on the field. If it doesn't, it will hasten the move to an 8-team playoff, which is what college football ought to have, with the Big-5 conference champions getting automatic berths.

2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/don-pellum-wears-his-analysts-hat-we-have-to-finish-more-plays.html

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@atvinton @Dale Newton @Ducko30 Parry and Azziz Shittu are banged up on the Cardinal defensive line, and if they can't go or are limited in any way Freeman could have a big day. He may anyway.


Nick Aliotti  made the point on the John Canzano show that this is a much different Stanford offense than we're used to seeing--so far this season they don't have a single game where a running back had more tan 14 carries. They're much more multiple than previous years, even running some hurry-up to try and get Hogan in a better rhythm.


They try to get the ball to Ty Montgomery in as many ways as possible, and McCaffery seems to be emerging as the lead back.


The Ducks can get some stops, force Hogan into a couple of turnovers, and hold them to field goals--they've struggled in the red zone for much of the season.

2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/for-coaches-its-a-what-have-you-done-for-me-lately-world.html

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@duckified Stanford is a good football team, but the Ducks should approach this game with enthusiasm and energy, free from fear. With a healthy Jake Fisher and a healthy Marcus Mariota, with Brown, Freeman, Marshall, Allen and Stanford to share the ball, they have the best offense in the country. Go play.

2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@Ducko30 Most significantly, they have more weapons in the red zone and on third down.

2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/this-time-the-ducks-need-to-go-full-mariota.html

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@MichaelBurgwin You are certainly right Michael about those breakdowns, and I think the Ducks give themselves the best chance to avoid them by playing with confidence and trusting their preparation. They can be a great team. Just play football and play with joy and purpose.

2 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://duckstopshere.com/uncategorized/its-time-the-oregon-ducks-lit-up-the-stanford-cardinal.html

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