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@kozmodog Saying our OTs are bottom tier in the league is a little extreme. They've basically had one bad game each per PFF.
I've heard about enough of this "talent this, talent that, talent talent talent" nonsense from various talking heads and sportswriters. Belichick had questionable talent peppering the roster all the time, and he always played to the strengths of what they had. And where is the garbage talent here? The offensive line is playing at least okay overall (other than the Philly game) and McClain has done a decent job, with Williams and Kennard seeming promising. "Our linebackers are terrible players" is nonsense.
No pressure on Romo was an issue. Where were Ayers and Moore? Kiwi had a couple nice moments in the early going of the season, but it might be almost time to put him out to pasture. However I hang some of this on the insanely frequent usage of the 3 man rush (which we know Andy hates) flanked by too-frequent usage of soft zone.
As for the running game. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They ran the ball on something like 14 out of 17 first downs (other than 2 minute drill or down by two scores).
The WCO relies on the pass to set up the run, and the short passing game replacing some aspects of the run game. Not to mention the relative strength of this oline seems to be passblocking (Philly disaster notwithstanding).
Dallas was able to stack the box all game long on early downs, then tee off on passing downs. It's a credit to Eli and the passblocking of the oline they even got as much done as they did. In many ways this game was more frustrating than the Philly game. It was like the Arizona game in some respects in that mistakes did them in, but moreso in the coaching. I'm no expert obviously, but I don't have any explanation for some of the gameplanning, playcalling, and usage of personnel.
23 hours, 59 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/oct/dal-31-nyg-21.html
@jfoster It was somewhat of a chicken **** holding call too. Definitely not the worst call I've seen, but definitely not too egregious a hold either. As they say, if they really wanted to holding could be called on every play..
1 week, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/oct/phl-27-nyg-0.html
Also intended to note that a loss against Dallas next week could be essentially season-ending...
And it's silly how these sportswriters make such bold statements all the time, stated as fact. Graziano (ESPN) does it all the time. Today's example is Vacchiano, using this game as evidence that the Giants are obviously and categorically "not in the same class" as the Eagles. Last night they obviously weren't, but I wonder if he would have said that overall Denver's team last year wasn't in the same class as Seattle.
Shockingly bad. Dominated in the trenches on both sides of the ball. 3 man rush, and receivers still running free on intermediate crosses and outs? Come on. And as has been explained thoroughly, the playcalling didn't do anybody any favors.
I WOULD say it could have been a different game had Cruz caught that pass instead of letting the turf monster tear up his knee. But nah, the way they were playing, they'd just lose 27-7 instead of 27-0. This may be worse (in terms of total failure to competently play football) than any game since 2011... and that's saying something.
This is also by far the best the Eagles have looked all year (I've seen all the games). They didn't look close to this good even in the win against Indy.
I still don't think Philly and Dallas are anywhere really close to as good as their records indicate... but if the Giants can't pull their heads out of their rears, it won't matter.
@Paddlepedal They just don't look like a good team right now. Even their "best" win of the year against Indy... They were getting beaten soundly, 20-6. They got a 50 yard pass interference to set them up at the 1. Then next drive Trent Richardson immediately fumbled deep in Indy territory. Boom, game is tied. Colts come down for a TD, stop the Eagles, and are driving again, when the Eagles get a pick on a play where Hilton was basically tackled (was not called). So, I mean, give them credit for coming back. But barring some kind of absurd sequence like the one above (i know, I know, such an absurd sequence already befell the Giants against Arizona...) I don't see how the Giants piss this one away. Let's hope...
1 week, 5 days ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/oct/eagles-eye-preview.html
I'm worried about this game because the setup looks almost too good. Foles looks mostly terrible (I've watched every play), McCoy looks like Chris Johnson with the amount of dancing, there are injuries on the oline, and the defense isn't stopping anybody. Smoke, mirrors, and 7 return TDs probably have more to do with the 4-1 record than actual solid execution on both sides of the ball.
Don't allow any D/ST TDs, win the game. If the Giants are relatively mistake free I just don't see how the Eagles keep it close. And that gives me a bad feeling, with the Giants propensity to just lay an egg randomly. But hopefully THIS Giants team will not be as prone to that, after some of the early season struggles are out of the way.
@Arthuro Well, isn't that an optimistic take... o_O
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/oct/nyg-30-atl-20.html
Great game. I'm not getting ready to hand them the Lombardi trophy just yet, but 2014 is still very much on the table. A week or two ago I had several games earmarked as "extremely tough to the point of being nearly unwinnable". Now I only have one such game on the list; AT Seattle. And they got beat by San Diego so who knows.
Aside from the Randle non-TD which I think was absolutely the wrong call, I also was scratching my head over the play that Niles Paul went out on. If they're gonna call him a defenseless receiver, how can they also rule it a catch? If he catches it and making a football move, is he not now a runner? Blows to the head are then fair game; no different from a running back lowering his shoulders in the hole... If they ruled no catch, keep the flag. But ruling it a catch, they have to pick up the flag. Made no sense to me.
The luxury the offense now has is that the next three defenses they play before the bye are also looking a little soft. These are all winnable games. Go into the bye at least 4-3 and we may yet have something.
Have to do a better job defending the short passing game though. The WRs were largely shut down, but I have to wonder what's going on with the LBs. Did Paysinger kick Coughlin's dog? Why is Herzlich on the field? Hopefully we get Beason and Kennard back sooner rather than later...
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/sept/nyg-45-was-14.html
From the start I've approached this as a non-playoff season, with any possible playoff push being a big bonus. Through that lens, today (while frustrating as all hell) wasn't that bad. Eli was as sharp as I've seen him look in a while. The receivers were where they were supposed to be, mostly, but Cruz and Randle couldn't hold onto the ball. Those catches need to be made.
The defense was frustrating at times, and could have done a better job getting off the field here and there, but considering Herzlich played the middle for a long stretch, it wasn't awful. It really was those three plays (four if you count the bad Cruz drop that led to the punt, starting that whole sequence of events) that turned the game and then some. Made a possible double digit Giants win into a double digit loss.
On to week 3. Another winnable game. Let's see.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/az-25-nyg-14.html
What's funny is that this is among the least "sky-is-falling"-esque of any of the recaps I've read for this game. As was said, the game was pretty ugly, but there are positives to take away from it. Need to just keep improving every week and forget thinking about the playoffs at this point. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it (if).
I don't think Eli played too badly. The receivers got NO separation and he was running for his life too often. The 2nd INT was a poor decision and a poor throw, but otherwise, nobody was giving him any help.
The playcalling seemed odd at times. The short passing game was pretty anemic, and Eli seemed to be holding the ball for quite awhile many times. Really need to get everybody on the same page..
The defense was fine. Not gonna sound any alarm bells yet. The first TD was a little fluky, and the 2nd TD was a crazy throw/catch on another broken play. Just need to contain the pocket better as Andy said. Palmer will have a harder time dodging the rush than Stafford next week. JPP didn't do a whole lot rushing the passer from what I saw, but he was a definite force in the running game.
Will probably fire up the coach's tape tonight to get a better look at how the receivers and secondary did (often off screen during the broadcast).
Arizona's D isn't anything amazing, and their offense is a definite step down from Detroit's. We'll see.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/det-35-nyg-14.html
BigBlueView did a piece of John Jerry the other day, backed by some PFF data. (From the Pats game, so obviously was against largely backups). But that's at least slightly promising.
I'm stubborn, so will not abandon all hope until we're sure Walton can't regain early 2012 form, Beatty can't regain 2012 form, etc. If we see Richburg progress the way Pugh did last year with continued solid play from Pugh, things won't be as bad as they look now.
Yeah that's a lot of ifs, but what fun is being a fan if it's doom and gloom all the time. Excited for football either way.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/schwartz-lost-for-7-weeks.html
@Arthuro Well, even if JPP doesn't return to form, the defense should at least be above average. I'll also assume the offense HAS to be better than it was in the preseason, and the line can't really be any worse than last year (right???). Thinking more like 7 wins (4 if everything completely falls apart, 10 if everything comes together; both of those extremes pretty unlikely as of now).
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/predicting-the-giants-season-record-in-2014.html
The first five opponents don't look to be particularly strong overall. What has to happen, is they need to find a way to win at least 3 of those 5 to buy the offense some time. Any less than that, and things can get ugly rather quickly... And going into that IND, SEA, SF stretch below .500 is a definite death sentence.
Expect the worst, hope for the best...
@Shawn Siegele @CommanderShepard Thanks for the response. In my nightmare scenario in which Graham, and the top 5 of each WRs and RBs are gone at 15, I don't know, I might even prefer one of the elite QBs over going into that next tier I'm not as big on. In most of the "pro" mock drafts at least one of those guys seem to make it to round 3 if not 4, but from what I've typically seen in actuality, they're long gone by end of round 2 (site preset rankings bias probably a big reason why).
2 months ago on Zero RB, Antifragility, and the Myth of Value-Based Drafting
What do you think of this strategy in general for a 0.5 PPR league (two of my leagues use this; 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1FLEX, 1TE, DST)?
Specifically, I pick 10th in a 12 team league. In a perfect world I'd go Graham then Julio Jones or Brandon Marshall at 15 after the turn. But if Graham, Megatron, and Demaryius are all gone at 10, and then Marshall/Jones are both gone at 15, I'm struggling a bit with my backup plan as I don't like anybody else quite to that degree. There are only 5 RBs I REALLY fell good about in round 1, and they'll all be gone too.
Love the theory here. I've always at least sort of employed it without even knowing it had a name ("zero RB"), but paying more attention to it this year. Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
@jfoster Yeah, Beatty is a huge question mark. I'm not a huge fan of our other options there. The bright side is that Walton and Moseley seem to be doing at least okay from what I saw. Would be interesting to see if PFF agrees.
Regarding JPP, I will give the benefit of the doubt for now. Lets see some more game action. He doesn't need to be 2011 JPP for this defense come up big, but he DOES need to be a huge step up from 2013 JPP. I think Ayers and Moore will do enough. And I hope the brass are right about the linebackers. I agree 100% with the idea that the defense needs to buy time for the offense to get their legs underneath them. Onward and upward...
2 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/nyg-20-steelers-16.html
The OL kind of looked like hot garbage the first two drives. Saw Walton and Mosely get driven back kind of badly a couple times each. But as was said it's definitely too early to panic on that front. JPP didn't look all that active. 1st team defense overall looked decent enough for now. Nassib looked drastically better than anything last year, though still a little shaky; I'm more confident now that he can do enough to prevent the Giants from having to keep Painter.
Sad news regarding Wilson. Hope he didn't blow what he's earned so far in his career.
Will probably rewatch the early part of the game trying to focus more on some players.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/nyg-17-buffalo-13.html
I think this team has a high ceiling, but there a lot of question marks and a lot has to fall into place. Anything from 6-10 to 11-5 are on the table (higher or lower than that is probably pretty unlikely I'd think). There's no way the OL can be worse than last year, and even if it's bad, McAdoo's system should alleviate that a little bit. And yes Arthuro, the front seven on D has enormous question marks everywhere. Losing Tuck/Joseph will hurt badly if nobody steps up.
Offseason has been too long. I'M READY FOR FOOTBALL.
3 months ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/training-camp-begins.html
What are the opinions on Will Hill here? I think the Giants can't afford to cut him for several reasons. #2 overall PFF safety last year? In 12 games? 24 years old, in his prime, elite potential. Yes, he is now a repeat offender and the Giants have to be frustrated, but you can't let talent like that walk. It would be almost on the same level as the Browns cutting Josh Gordon (and you don't hear anybody talking about that as a possibility).
Plus, with our luck an NFC East rival would scoop him up, and he'd beat the stuffing out of the Giants down the stretch... They need to give him one more chance in my opinion, as absurd as that may seem to some people. Too much talent.
4 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/excellent-value-taken-by-gmen-on-day-3.html
I'd be less excited about Gilbert than the other 9 due to immediate need; if he's the only one of those 10 left, I'd probably be in favor of trading down. But I agree that I'd rather see Gilbert taken at 12 than Donald or Martin if it came down to it.
It's unlikely all 10 will be gone; figure one QB and one strange reach (QB or otherwise); that's all it would take. But we'll see.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/final-2014-draft-thoughts.html
Even though everybody has misses (e.g. Rolando McClain), this is a good illustration indicating that Wonder's track record is certainly better than most.
Unrelated, Kevin Williams.. That'd be a nice replacement for Linval Joseph at the right price (2yrs 4mil sounds reasonable; the guy deserves more than veteran minimum; performed well on PFF last year). And it would likely prevent us from reaching for Donald in the draft. Win win.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/
It would have made a lot more sense to make a much bigger push to keep Linval Joseph, a known quantity who is past his "beaten to a pulp" phase and ramping up his "thrive" phase (even if we know his ceiling probably isn't THAT high). What sense would it make to replace that type of piece with someone who has a great chance to ulltimately be as good or better, but may not fit the system as well, is undersized, and will be a rookie...
That line of reasoning makes me think they aren't concerned enough about DT to reach for one in round 1. But who knows. Interesting piece, and a good reminder to take all the hyperbole with a grain of salt. We see it every year for various players and this is a great example of it.
5 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/70-of-parents-think-their-children-are-above-average-part-17.html
Been seeing Ebron AND Evens gone in the top 10 in a bunch of recent mocks. :(
Lewan is a big question mark with the pending criminal charges. Donald seems like he may be kind of a reach at 12. It'll be interesting to say the least.
6 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/te-eric-ebron-can-tranform-the-giants-offense.html
Nice writeup. I'm excited about the opportunity to get a stud at #12, whether it's Ebron, Evans, or an OL. As long as at least a couple teams reach for QBs, the Giants should have their pick between multiple excellent prospects.
Before reading Wonder's take, I was leaning Evans over Ebron, but wonder may now have me leaning the other way.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/te-eric-ebron-can-tranform-the-giants-offense.html
I don't know a whole lot about Ebron. I'll be looking forward to the full post on him. I like almost everything I've heard/seen about Evans. I know WRs early can be iffy but having this monster target out there would really open things up for Cruz inside. I may rather see 1-Evans, 2-Niklas than 1-Ebron, 2-somebody. What are the thoughts on Niklas around here? And how about DT Donald (maybe somebody available later if trading down or something)?
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/
@RussWellen1 In rugby you can often be penalized for not wrapping up. You must use your arms to complete the tackle. Therefore big hits delivered with the shoulder are not allowed. And with no helmets, only a madman would deliver blows with the head. I played for three years in college and managed to avoid any head trauma. Overall concussions were pretty rare from what I saw anecdotally. Maybe one or two in three years among the whole team of 50+ guys. I'm not sure a "wrap up only" rule would work in the NFL, but it could certainly decrease head injuries.
6 months, 3 weeks ago on Mark Cuban Echoes UltimateNYG
After the Manningham signing, we still need another WR, DE, DT, OL, TE. It's a lot to ask to get quality at all those positions through the draft (though not all of those have to necessarily make a huge impact year one). The TE, DT and possibly OL will have to be able to contribute year one.
I love what's been done so far, but still a few holes to plug...
7 months, 1 week ago on DRC signs 5 yr Deal with the NY Giants
@jfoster Well, there's no way the oline can be worse than it was last year. And even right this moment, it has the potential to be much better (a few IF's involved obviously). I'm assuming WR and TE in the draft, but nothing on that front yet is a little worrying. I think when the dust settles the O will be much better off than last year. Maybe drastically.
The defense I'm not so sure. Tuck and Joseph will be tough to replace. We're set at safety, and SHOULD be solid at LB now, but CB and DL are major question marks at this point, especially in terms of depth.
It's still early, but there's no reason to rule out a very competitive team at this point. (Also can't rule out a lackluster one either.)
Call me cautiously optimistic. Which is much better than where I'd be at if Gilbride was still on the staff.
7 months, 1 week ago on SLAM DUNK SUCCESS FOR GMEN THRU 2 DAYS OF FREE AGENCY
3 years, 19 (7 guaranteed) million for Beason? Sounds slightly high.. I was hoping for more in the 3-4 per year range.. Wonder how much of that is incentives.
Kenny Britt, interesting idea. Owen Daniels I've always liked. He's likely past his prime, but would be a solid addition. Jermichael Finley seems headed to Seattle. The brain trust have any thoughts on Pettigrew or Quarless? I'd rather grab someone solid now than wait for the draft with a backup plan consisting of... basically nothing.
Also, Schwartz deal seems reasonably priced. 4 yrs, 17mm, 6mm guaranteed. Not bad. Jacoby Jones signs with Baltimore. WR early in draft? And still need a center and a corner..
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Giants New Signings, Joseph Signs with Vikes
@dbs50 Came here to post almost exactly this. I too don't know much about him, but it sounds like they see him as a tweener who will help partially replace Tuck should he leave. Yes the numbers sound high, but we'll see how much is actually guaranteed (I'd be willing to bet around the ballpark of 2 million). I'm willing to take a wait and see approach.
I like the other two signings. I suppose I'd be "okay" with a Beatty, Schwartz, Boothe, Snee, Pugh lineup, but an upgrade at C would be nice, and Beatty and Snee have question marks.
I like the idea of bringing in Jacoby Jones. He will bolster the return game, and can play some offensive snaps on the outside (with the speed to stretch the field), freeing up more time in the slot for Cruz and Jernigan.
@jfoster I think a lot of that perception (RE Reese) was on the back of the 2007 draft class. While it contained some guys that made nice contributions in 2007, and beyond in some cases, the draft doesn't look nearly as good now as it did then. Mostly flashes in the pan, washouts, injury risks, or combinations thereof.
8 months ago on NFL Offseason Observations
@ultimatenyg Could be roid rage. But occam's razor dictates that he's probably just a punk hothead with a way overblown ego. Those are all over the NFL; maybe he's just somewhat worse than the norm.
I'm not sure who I'd like to see win. I had been leaning Seahawks out the small part of me that doesn't want Peyton to pull even with Eli in the one major area Eli's got the advantage.
But with the Sherman debacle, it might have me leaning the other way.
9 months ago on Richard Sherman
I agree Andy. Totally classless. They'll never do it, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the NFL suspended him from the Super Bowl for actions detrimental to the game or something along those lines (between that and his postgame interview). Exuberance and celebration is one thing. Being a classless low life is another.
The McAdoo era begins. Looks we'll get our new system.
9 months, 1 week ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride
@the mayor @ultimatenyg McAdoo from the Packers is an interesting option. I don't see why Eli can't run a Packers' style offense (other than anything calling for Rodgers' increased mobility).
9 months, 2 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride
@jfoster @ultimatenyg @dbs50 I'm not in favor of Sullivan either, for the reasons discussed. I'd rather have them try to lure Cutliffe away from Duke if they're not gonna go for a young guy with new ideas.
It will be interesting no doubt. Andy, do you have any kind of short list of candidates you like?
Wonder how long this will drag out for..
"Too close" meaning they want access. Not "too close" meaning rose colored glasses.
..But maybe both in a few cases.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride
I like Vacchiano, but he's always leaned toward the "Gilbride apologist" side of the ledger.
These guys are either all nuts, or they're too close to the team to be objective.
Gilbride not fired, but "retiring"?? Whatever, I'll take it...
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Getting Middled
@dbs50 He straight up said "the offense is broken" and that "changes within the entire organization need to be made".
There's a glimmer of hope.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on NYG 20 WAS 6
@ultimatenyg @dbs50 But I guess 7-9 will cut it. They said everybody was on notice and that 8-8 wasn't going to cut it. But I guess 7-9 cuts it when you consider that they easily could have been 10-6, having played close games with Dallas and Chicago (but conveniently forget that they easily could have and probably should have been 4-12 assuming they had played actual NFL teams most weeks..).
@ultimatenyg @frank43 More evidence that can't be shared here??? What'd you do, secretly film team meetings or steal Gilbride's playbook or something? :)
9 months, 4 weeks ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator
@ultimatenyg @CommanderShepard Yeah, over Christmas I talked with my brother/dad about that very thing when we all go together. They could conceivably bring in a couple bodies for the line to get Eli back to 2012 protection levels. Yay? Keeping Gilbride in that scenario probably brings us another marginal 9-7 caliber team. Yay?
While the Hill interception is unfortunate if that somehow allows Gilbride to stay (we must think the front office is stupid.... hell, maybe they are), I love Hill moving forward. Several young defenders to be excited about, especially if JPP and Brown can come back at full strength.
10 months ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator
It's frustrating watching offenses like the Bears (even with McCown!) do with ease things that the Giants can't figure out to save their lives (aside from Marshall/Jeffery circus catches).
I think there's at least a CHANCE Gilbride gets fired.
Ever since Plaxico shot himself, this team has been the absolute definition of mediocrity and inconsistency (except for a magical six game stretch in 2011). That's a lot of mediocrity.
Even if the media wants to sweep it under the rug, I HAVE to think somebody in the front office is taking notice. If not.... we could be in for a long 2014.
@I Bleed Blue Outstanding. Pretty much nailed it across the board.
10 months, 2 weeks ago on SD 37 NYG 14
@capt george Well not to split hairs, but at 5-7 you were still arguing for that, and you're now saying 5 wins is already enough to keep the status quo...j
Anyway, we'll see I guess. For a proud franchise, I'd hope that these last two years are enough to make changes. We can't expect Coughlin to go, but Gilbride is at least a possibility. Let's hope it comes to fruition.
I think it's a little much so imply this "deserved" to be a 1-12 type team. However short of that, the points are well made. I agree with the entire list of 10 things. Like capt george I'd hate to lose Nicks for variouis reasons, but Andy is correct as well; there's no reasonable scenario in which he can be brought back.
Maybe it makes me cynical as dbs said. But I have a bad feeling Gilbride will be back regardless. As the mayor said, the oline (to be fair not entirely in Gilbride's control) may be made the sole scapegoat, disregarding the other issues.
This is one of the reasons why I've argued with capt george about "rooting/hoping for losses" as that assumes they'd actually get rid of Gilbride in ANY scenario. We can't assume that.
Fewell I think needs to go , but if he doesn't it might not be the end of the world. Priority list is (1) OC, (2) oline. If those two things are taken care of successfully, a lot more could potentially fall into place. Taking care of those two things is easier said than done. As I said in the comments last week, I like the core of guys on defense (assuming JPP can get healthy, and Williams/Paysinger continue developing.
First and foremost, purge the shitbride so that the healing can begin.
@mkdrep Take him now! Midseason! At least then maybe capt george could stop rooting for losses! ;)
10 months, 2 weeks ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17