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I think this team has a high ceiling, but there a lot of question marks and a lot has to fall into place.  Anything from 6-10 to  11-5 are on the table (higher or lower than that is probably pretty unlikely I'd think).  There's no way the OL can be worse than last year, and even if it's bad, McAdoo's system should alleviate that a little bit.  And yes Arthuro, the front seven on D has enormous question marks everywhere.  Losing Tuck/Joseph will hurt badly if nobody steps up.

Offseason has been too long.  I'M READY FOR FOOTBALL.

1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/training-camp-begins.html

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What are the opinions on Will Hill here?  I think the Giants can't afford to cut him for several reasons.  #2 overall PFF safety last year?  In 12 games?  24 years old, in his prime, elite potential.  Yes, he is now a repeat offender and the Giants have to be frustrated, but you can't let talent like that walk.  It would be almost on the same level as the Browns cutting Josh Gordon (and you don't hear anybody talking about that as a possibility).

Plus, with our luck an NFC East rival would scoop him up, and he'd beat the stuffing out of the Giants down the stretch...  They need to give him one more chance in my opinion, as absurd as that may seem to some people.  Too much talent.

2 months ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/excellent-value-taken-by-gmen-on-day-3.html

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I'd be less excited about Gilbert than the other 9 due to immediate need; if he's the only one of those 10 left, I'd probably be in favor of trading down.  But I agree that I'd rather see Gilbert taken at 12 than Donald or Martin if it came down to it.

It's unlikely all 10 will be gone; figure one QB and one strange reach (QB or otherwise); that's all it would take.  But we'll see.

2 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/final-2014-draft-thoughts.html

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Even though everybody has misses (e.g. Rolando McClain), this is a good illustration indicating that Wonder's track record is certainly better than most.


Unrelated, Kevin Williams.. That'd be a nice replacement for Linval Joseph at the right price (2yrs 4mil sounds reasonable; the guy deserves more than veteran minimum; performed well on PFF last year).  And it would likely prevent us from reaching for Donald in the draft.  Win win.

2 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/

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It would have made a lot more sense to make a much bigger push to keep Linval Joseph, a known quantity who is past his "beaten to a pulp" phase and ramping up his "thrive" phase (even if we know his ceiling probably isn't THAT high).  What sense would it make to replace that type of piece with someone who has a great chance to ulltimately be as good or better, but may not fit the system as well, is undersized, and will be a rookie...


That line of reasoning makes me think they aren't concerned enough about DT to reach for one in round 1.  But who knows.  Interesting piece, and a good reminder to take all the hyperbole with a grain of salt.  We see it every year for various players and this is a great example of it.

3 months ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/70-of-parents-think-their-children-are-above-average-part-17.html

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Been seeing Ebron AND Evens gone in the top 10 in a bunch of recent mocks. :(


Lewan is a big question mark with the pending criminal charges.  Donald seems like he may be kind of a reach at 12.  It'll be interesting to say the least.

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/te-eric-ebron-can-tranform-the-giants-offense.html

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Nice writeup.  I'm excited about the opportunity to get a stud at #12, whether it's Ebron, Evans, or an OL.  As long as at least a couple teams reach for QBs, the Giants should have their pick between multiple excellent prospects.

Before reading Wonder's take, I was leaning Evans over Ebron, but wonder may now have me leaning the other way.

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/uncategorized/te-eric-ebron-can-tranform-the-giants-offense.html

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I don't know a whole lot about Ebron.  I'll be looking forward to the full post on him.  I like almost everything I've heard/seen about Evans.  I know WRs early can be iffy but having this monster target out there would really open things up for Cruz inside.  I may rather see 1-Evans, 2-Niklas than 1-Ebron, 2-somebody.  What are the thoughts on Niklas around here?  And how about DT Donald (maybe somebody available later if trading down or something)?

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/

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@RussWellen1  In rugby you can often be penalized for not wrapping up.  You must use your arms to complete the tackle.  Therefore big hits delivered with the shoulder are not allowed.  And with no helmets, only a madman would deliver blows with the head.  I played for three years in college and managed to avoid any head trauma.  Overall concussions were pretty rare from what I saw anecdotally.  Maybe one or two in three years among the whole team of 50+ guys.  I'm not sure a "wrap up only" rule would work in the NFL, but it could certainly decrease head injuries.

4 months ago on Mark Cuban Echoes UltimateNYG

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After the Manningham signing, we still need another WR, DE, DT, OL, TE.  It's a lot to ask to get quality at all those positions through the draft (though not all of those have to necessarily make a huge impact year one).  The TE, DT and possibly OL will have to be able to contribute year one.

I love what's been done so far, but still a few holes to plug...

4 months, 2 weeks ago on DRC signs 5 yr Deal with the NY Giants

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@jfoster  Well, there's no way the oline can be worse than it was last year.  And even right this moment, it has the potential to be much better (a few IF's involved obviously).  I'm assuming WR and TE in the draft, but nothing on that front yet is a little worrying.  I think when the dust settles the O will be much better off than last year.  Maybe drastically.

The defense I'm not so sure.  Tuck and Joseph will be tough to replace.  We're set at safety, and SHOULD be solid at LB now, but CB and DL are major question marks at this point, especially in terms of depth.

It's still early, but there's no reason to rule out a very competitive team at this point.  (Also can't rule out a lackluster one either.)

Call me cautiously optimistic.  Which is much better than where I'd be at if Gilbride was still on the staff.

4 months, 2 weeks ago on SLAM DUNK SUCCESS FOR GMEN THRU 2 DAYS OF FREE AGENCY

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3 years, 19 (7 guaranteed) million for Beason?  Sounds slightly high..  I was hoping for more in the 3-4 per year range..  Wonder how much of that is incentives.

4 months, 2 weeks ago on SLAM DUNK SUCCESS FOR GMEN THRU 2 DAYS OF FREE AGENCY

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Kenny Britt, interesting idea.  Owen Daniels I've always liked.  He's likely past his prime, but would be a solid addition.  Jermichael Finley seems headed to Seattle.  The brain trust have any thoughts on Pettigrew or Quarless?  I'd rather grab someone solid now than wait for the draft with a backup plan consisting of... basically nothing.

4 months, 2 weeks ago on SLAM DUNK SUCCESS FOR GMEN THRU 2 DAYS OF FREE AGENCY

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Beason signs!

Also, Schwartz deal seems reasonably priced.  4 yrs, 17mm, 6mm guaranteed.  Not bad.  Jacoby Jones signs with Baltimore.  WR early in draft?  And still need a center and a corner..

4 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants New Signings, Joseph Signs with Vikes

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@dbs50  Came here to post almost exactly this.  I too don't know much about him, but it sounds like they see him as a tweener who will help partially replace Tuck should he leave.  Yes the numbers sound high, but we'll see how much is actually guaranteed (I'd be willing to bet around the ballpark of 2 million).  I'm willing to take a wait and see approach.


I like the other two signings.  I suppose I'd be "okay" with a Beatty, Schwartz, Boothe, Snee, Pugh lineup, but an upgrade at C would be nice, and Beatty and Snee have question marks.


I like the idea of bringing in Jacoby Jones.  He will bolster the return game, and can play some offensive snaps on the outside (with the speed to stretch the field), freeing up more time in the slot for Cruz and Jernigan.

4 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants New Signings, Joseph Signs with Vikes

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@jfoster  I think a lot of that perception (RE Reese) was on the back of the 2007 draft class.  While it contained some guys that made nice contributions in 2007, and beyond in some cases, the draft doesn't look nearly as good now as it did then.  Mostly flashes in the pan, washouts, injury risks, or combinations thereof.

5 months, 1 week ago on NFL Offseason Observations

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@ultimatenyg Could be roid rage.  But occam's razor dictates that he's probably just a punk hothead with a  way overblown ego.  Those are all over the NFL; maybe he's just somewhat worse than the norm.

I'm not sure who I'd like to see win.  I had been leaning Seahawks out the small part of me that doesn't want Peyton to pull even with Eli in the one major area Eli's got the advantage.

But with the Sherman debacle, it might have me leaning the other way.

6 months, 1 week ago on Richard Sherman

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I agree Andy.  Totally classless.  They'll never do it, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the NFL suspended him from the Super Bowl for actions detrimental to the game or something along those lines (between that and his postgame interview).  Exuberance and celebration is one thing.  Being a classless low life is another.

6 months, 1 week ago on Richard Sherman

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The McAdoo era begins. Looks we'll get our new system.

6 months, 2 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride

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@the mayor @ultimatenyg McAdoo from the Packers is an interesting option.  I don't see why Eli can't run a Packers' style offense (other than anything calling for Rodgers' increased mobility).

6 months, 3 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride

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@jfoster @ultimatenyg @dbs50 I'm not in favor of Sullivan either, for the reasons discussed.  I'd rather have them try to lure Cutliffe away from Duke if they're not gonna go for a young guy with new ideas.

It will be interesting no doubt.  Andy, do you have any kind of short list of candidates you like?

Wonder how long this will drag out for..

6 months, 3 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride

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"Too close" meaning they want access.  Not "too close" meaning rose colored glasses.


..But maybe both in a few cases.

6 months, 4 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride

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I like Vacchiano, but he's always leaned toward the "Gilbride apologist" side of the ledger.


These guys are either all nuts, or they're too close to the team to be objective.

6 months, 4 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride

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Gilbride not fired, but "retiring"?? Whatever, I'll take it...

7 months ago on Getting Middled

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@dbs50 He straight up said "the offense is broken" and that "changes within the entire organization need to be made".


There's a glimmer of hope.

7 months ago on NYG 20 WAS 6

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@ultimatenyg @dbs50 But I guess 7-9 will cut it.  They said everybody was on notice and that 8-8 wasn't going to cut it.  But I guess 7-9 cuts it when you consider that they easily could have been 10-6, having played close games with Dallas and Chicago (but conveniently forget that they easily could have and probably should have been 4-12 assuming they had played actual NFL teams most weeks..).

7 months ago on NYG 20 WAS 6

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@ultimatenyg @frank43 More evidence that can't be shared here???  What'd you do, secretly film team meetings or steal Gilbride's playbook or something? :)

7 months ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator

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@ultimatenyg @CommanderShepard Yeah, over Christmas I talked with my brother/dad about that very thing when we all go together.  They could conceivably bring in a couple bodies for the line to get Eli back to 2012 protection levels.  Yay?  Keeping Gilbride in that scenario probably brings us another marginal 9-7 caliber team.  Yay?

While the Hill interception is unfortunate if that somehow allows Gilbride to stay (we must think the front office is stupid.... hell, maybe they are), I love Hill moving forward. Several young defenders to be excited about, especially if JPP and Brown can come back at full strength.

7 months, 1 week ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator

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It's frustrating watching offenses like the Bears (even with McCown!) do with ease things that the Giants can't figure out to save their lives (aside from Marshall/Jeffery circus catches).


I think there's at least a CHANCE Gilbride gets fired.


Ever since Plaxico shot himself, this team has been the absolute definition of mediocrity and inconsistency (except for a magical six game stretch in 2011).  That's a lot of mediocrity.


Even if the media wants to sweep it under the rug, I HAVE to think somebody in the front office is taking notice.  If not.... we could be in for a long 2014.

7 months, 1 week ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator

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@I Bleed Blue Outstanding.  Pretty much nailed it across the board.

7 months, 3 weeks ago on SD 37 NYG 14

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@capt george Well not to split hairs, but at 5-7 you were still arguing for that, and you're now saying 5 wins is already enough to keep the status quo...j

Anyway, we'll see I guess.  For a proud franchise, I'd hope that these last two years are enough to make changes.  We can't expect Coughlin to go, but Gilbride is at least a possibility.  Let's hope it comes to fruition.

7 months, 3 weeks ago on SD 37 NYG 14

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I think it's a little much so imply this "deserved" to be a 1-12 type team.  However short of that, the points are well made.  I agree with the entire list of 10 things.  Like capt george I'd hate to lose Nicks for variouis reasons, but Andy is correct as well; there's no reasonable scenario in which he can be brought back.


Maybe it makes me cynical as dbs said.  But I have a bad feeling Gilbride will be back regardless.  As the mayor said, the oline (to be fair not entirely in Gilbride's control) may be made the sole scapegoat, disregarding the other issues.


This is one of the reasons why I've argued with capt george about "rooting/hoping for losses" as that assumes they'd actually get rid of Gilbride in ANY scenario.  We can't assume that.


Fewell I think needs to go , but if he doesn't it might not be the end of the world.  Priority list is (1) OC, (2) oline.  If those two things are taken care of successfully, a lot more could potentially fall into place.  Taking care of those two things is easier said than done.  As I said in the comments last week, I like the core of guys on defense (assuming JPP can get healthy, and Williams/Paysinger continue developing.


First and foremost, purge the shitbride so that the healing can begin.

7 months, 3 weeks ago on SD 37 NYG 14

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@mkdrep Take him now!  Midseason!  At least then maybe capt george could stop rooting for losses! ;)

7 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17

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@capt george "Taking how I feel and projecting it on another?"  Don't talk down at me.  "Better" is a subjective idea here.  A tiny part of me now hopes we go 5-11 yet keep the entire coaching staff, then see if you still think rooting against our team for half a season was really worth it.


So to be clear, you were sitting on your couch two weeks ago watching the Dallas game, actively hoping/rooting for a loss (and a Tony Romo win)?  It wasn't just a case of recognizing afterward that it's probably for the best in terms of making change this offseason?


Well, all I can say is you must have a TON of fun watching those games hoping for the Giants to lose.  Not watching the games at all seems like a better option.  Whatever floats your boat...

7 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17

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@Paddlepedal @capt george I agree paddlepedal.  If I knew for a fact 4-12 would result in Gilbride's firing, I'd have an easier time "hoping' for that.  But this "hope we lose" attitude assumes a few things.


1) 7-9 is lousy, but 4-12 is downright awful to an embarrassing degree.  You assume that type of putrid garbage won't have a lasting effect on the team.


2) You assume the Giants front office is stupid.  We know they have way too much faith in Gilbride, but for a proud franchise like this, 7-9 and 2nd straight year with no playoffs is plenty bad.  I don't think they necessarily need to go 4-12 to fire Gilbride.


3)  How do you even know for sure 4-12 would automatically mean Gilbride's firing?  Coughlin's working off his free pass from the two superbowls, and allegedly loves Gilbride.



But let me just understand this... you guys sit in front of the TV on Sundays and think to yourselves, "I hope the Giants turn the ball over right now, and I hope RG3 scores a touchdown," then if that happens do you pump your fist in glee?


I know you think you're rooting for what's best for the team long term.  But to me that just feels..... dirty....


It's one thing to watch the game rooting for wins, but then seeing the silver lining in a loss after the fact.  It's another thing entirely  to sit there during the game hoping for Philip ****ing Rivers to blow us out of Qualcomm Stadium.

7 months, 3 weeks ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17

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@mkdrep Are you guys actually able to sit in front of the TV on Sunday, and during a game, actually hope and root for the Giants to lose?

7 months, 4 weeks ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17

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Despite the win, Dallas/Philly basically put the nails in the coffin this week.They each can win no more than one more game, and they play eachother once.  So we can pretty much forget about that for now.

Just one game at a time.  Definitely want to see some of the young guys in (that's not necessarily synonymous with playing for a better draft pick in my opinion).

Things I was dismayed by last night:

-Gilbride's mug every time they showed it on TV

-Beatty's continued regression

-Lack of snaps for Damontre Moore

-Cruz/Garcon falling short of carrying me to a first round playoff bye in one of my fantasy leagues.

Will Hill is a potential stud in the making.  I'm glad the Giants knew what they had, and didn't cut bait when he was suspended.

I'm loving this potential foundation we're forming on defense.  JPP, Hill, Beason, J. Williams, Amukamara, etc.  If guys like Hosley and Damontre pan out too, all the better.  Lots of reason for 2014 optimism there.

Less reason for optimism regarding the OL.  They better figure something out.

8 months ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17

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@RussWellen1 And what makes it even more amazing is that while they were dropping 7 or 8 into coverage, Dez still ended up 1 on 1 on an island almost every play...

8 months ago on DAL 24 NYG 21

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@mkdrep Now that they're truly out of contention, it's hard to argue with that even though during a game I can never root against the team.

Gilbride MUST go.  I still think TC is a good (but far from perfect) coach; they won't get rid of him this year anyway unless he leaves on his own.  But Gilbride MUST be replaced.  It HAS to happen.

I don't know about the penalties.  I maybe misremembering but the team hasn't been TOO heavily penalized this year.  I think blaming that on TC is reading into it something that's not there.

I think Fewell needs to go as well.  He's done an okay job this year, but that last drive was an absolutely unforgivable trainwreck.  That one's almost completely on him, not on the players.

8 months, 1 week ago on DAL 24 NYG 21

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How many times do we need to see a 30 yard sideline throw on 3rd and 2?

How many designed 2 yard patterns in the red zone?

How many botched screens?

How many busted up route trees?

Enough is enough Gilbride.

I HATED the D strategy on the last drive too. 3 man rush most plays. Felt almost like prevent D... while tied.

Dungy just said "Cowboys dominated the game, then let it get away before pulling it out.". Bull. Both teams are bad and the Giants just gifted them that lead.

Biggest thing though..Eli needs a new coordinator in 2014. Enough is ****ing enough.

8 months, 1 week ago on DAL 24 NYG 21

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@Pataroons To add, not that I'm trying to take ad revenue or whatever away from bloguin, which probably helps keep blogs like this running.  Just that there are options if the ads are TOOOO distracting.

8 months, 2 weeks ago on JPP, Part 17

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@Pataroons protip:  Use Chrome and AdBlock Plus.

On topic, as Andy said last week maybe this team won't make a playoff push, but at the minimum this could definitely be a team nobody wants to play down the stretch.

8 months, 2 weeks ago on JPP, Part 17

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@ultimatenyg That's interesting, as just a week or two ago Graziano was pretty much categorically writing off the Giants.  But he's absolutely right, here.  It's there for them if they want to take it.  At least at this point in the season things are more interesting than we could have realistically hoped for a month ago.

8 months, 2 weeks ago on NYG 27 GB 13

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@ultimatenyg I actually think (as of now) it's more mirage than makeover.  And I want Gilbride gone as badly as anybody here, believe me.  I just can't bring myself to sit in front of the TV hoping for a loss.  I can't do it.

I just can't see hoping for losses in November if you think the team is bad, because if that happens, and everything suddenly clicks later in the season (a la 2007/2011), you're already out of it.

8 months, 2 weeks ago on NYG 27 GB 13

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Here we go again, rooting against our team. A shame.

And that's a hell of a theory regarding Jacobs. Tin foil hat stuff there.

Dallas is next. Just need to keep winning. I will ride this wave as far is it takes us. Enjoy the ride and quit being a curmudgeon, lol.

8 months, 2 weeks ago on NYG 27 GB 13

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@RussWellen1 Honestly?  Not I, not yet.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  If they Eagles take the east this year and win a playoff game (along with Eli bumbling along for the rest of the final 7 games) then we'll talk.  Maybe.

8 months, 3 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20

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Well, we'll take it.  That's about all I can say.  Damn this offense is wretched.  Though Andre Brown's return is a definite uptick.  Pass protection is still pretty iffy, and Eli and the receivers still can't get on the same page half the time.  As usual Gilbride makes me scratch my head on too many occasions.

The "good" thing is that Dallas (blew game against Detroit, barely beat Minny, crushed by Saints) and Washington (blown out by Denver, shaky win vs. SD, lost to Vikings) haven't looked good the last few weeks.  6-6 is absolutely on the table, which would quite possibly  bring with it a share of the division lead.  Philly may be a bigger threat than Dallas at this point.  How absurd is that?

8 months, 3 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20

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@ultimatenyg I still find this notion absolutely outrageous.  Well we don't need to retread this; the same points that would come up now were already brougnt up in the comments here:  http://www.ultimatenyg.com/2013-articles/january/conference-championship-day.html

8 months, 3 weeks ago on Snapshots on NFL's 32 Teams at Week 10

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@capt george @Pataroons I know we can't live off past exploits, but your last sentence is hard to take seriously after we were dead and buried weeks 14/15 in 2011.  There's NEVER a guarantee anymore that a playoff team can't get anywhere.  There are numerous examples.  The 2008 Cardinals spring to mind first (aside from our 2007 and 2011 teams).  Hell, the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks won a playoff game a few years back.

I know Andy (and especially Pete... where's he been) would answer that by saying the league is "slop" these days as if the pre-salary cap era was some kind of glory day period that was somehow much better for football than what we have now.  And as I did after 2011, I'd still now disagree vehemently with that way of looking at things.

8 months, 3 weeks ago on Snapshots on NFL's 32 Teams at Week 10

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@capt george @CommanderShepard Agree to disagree is fine with me.  The Dallas D is putrid, and Romo is Romo (for better or for worse).  Dez is a head case.  Austin and Murray can't stay healthy.  Witten's best days are behind him.  I don't think they're some kind of beast waiting to be unleashed...

I'll be at the game Sunday, and will NOT be rooting for a loss. :D

8 months, 3 weeks ago on Snapshots on NFL's 32 Teams at Week 10

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