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@CommanderShepard @jfoster I agree that I am also cautiously optimistic with Gilbride gone. That is the silver lining for me. I am anxious to see what the offense looks like.
It would be great if they could either sign a better center or draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I would love to see them solidify that position for the next few years at least.
Who would have guessed that the defensive would now become an issue, as good as it potentially looked at the start of last year.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on SLAM DUNK SUCCESS FOR GMEN THRU 2 DAYS OF FREE AGENCY
What does everyone think of the Justin Tuck situation? Did the Giants make the right offer? Seems Tuck is upset that the Giants didn't make what he considered a legitimate attempt to keep him. Not sure what I think on that.
And what about the news that Hakeem Nicks is joining the Colts on a 1 year deal worth 3.5 million? Wow, that is some come down from what he was probably expecting.
It will be very interesting to see how Tuck and Nicks do this coming season. I wish I was as ecstatic as Andy. I like the signings the Giants have made (especially Schwartz, Jennings and Beason) but with all the players leaving it feels like 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards. I hope I am wrong but this still feels like the makings of a mediocre team.
What do you think - have the Giants taken steps forward, backward or just treading water?
@the mayor I couldn't have said it better! Amazing that he is the 2nd highest paid center. That one move hurt the Giants in multiple ways. The really irritating thing is the financial situation will keep Baas around and the Giants will continue to have trouble at center.
5 months ago on NFL Offseason Observations
Great post, Andy. Definitely agree with your comments on Baas and Reese. When you look at the past several drafts since 2007 and who is still on the team and how those drafted players have fared for the most part, I don't see how you can look at Reese as any more than a mediocre general manager. At least as far as the draft goes. And what are the Giants right now? Mediocre. Coincidence? Don't think so.
5 months, 1 week ago on NFL Offseason Observations
Ingram is also gone. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. This should send a signal that no one is safe if they let go Mike Pope. He has been a great coach for the Giants.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Ben McAdoo named Giants OC
I am very encouraged by this move. It tells me that John Mara truly believes the offense is broken (great first step), as he said, and is willing to make major changes in the offense. This is highly encouraging from a big picture perspective.
I also just saw where Mike Pope, the tight ends coach, is expected to be released. On the surface, it would appear strange to fire Pope, one of the best TE coaches in the league, and yet retain Tom Quinn as special teams coordinator. I'm sure we will learn more soon enough. But it appears to be a strange move. Maybe McAdoo, being a TE coach, has a different approach to coaching the tight ends and wants a coaching change.
@ultimatenyg @dbs50 Definitely agree both with the post and this comment about Sullivan. I am expecting that we may have to wait for a new head coach before we get that 'young guy with a lot of energy' as OC.
6 months, 3 weeks ago on 10 Years of Coziness with Kevin Gilbride
@ultimatenyg @CommanderShepard If Will Hill had not made that interception the story might have been the Giant only having 8 yards of offense in the 2nd half (or close to it). What a shame if that one interception is enough to somehow get Gilbride off the hook. Surely the front office took notice of those 8 yards of offense, right? I would have thought that might be the last straw.
7 months, 1 week ago on The Case for Replacing Kevin Gilbride with a new Offensive Coordinator
Great post Andy. This is a post I am going to pass around to my friends who have heard me rant about just about every one of your points.
One point I would like to highlight - "struggles to find rhythm". This is something I have 'sensed' for at least the last 2 years and have had a hard time putting into words. When you watch other offenses around the NFL there is rhythm or pace to their offense that you never see out of the Giants. The Giants feel all start and stop. Eli has been sticking up for Gilbride lately (what else would he do) - but he MUST watch other teams, such as his brothers' team or the Seahawks or the Saints or others and drool over the possibility of the Giants having a pace like that.
Great article Andy. The sad thing is we are getting at least another year of Gilbride if not more. I don't understand why John Mara stands for it. Feels like the Giants are stuck in a different decade.
Great write up Andy. When Will Hill intercepted that pass one of the first things I thought was that a win would be enough to keep the status quo for the Giants coaching staff. It is very discouraging to think about.
I also agree with buljos comment about strength and conditioning. At the very least, the Giants should hire the best S&C coach available and get up to date on S&C approach.
Also agree with thoughts on QB coach. Eli obviously needs help getting his mechanics straightened out (maybe he should sign up for that Manning QB camp.....). It seems ludicrous to me to invest so heavily in a QB (salary cap hit) and then promote the receiver's coach to QB coach? Eli needs a top-notch QB coach to get him straighten out. And an Offensive line wouldn't hurt either but he now is throwing above or behind his receivers even when he has time to throw it.
So what if the Redskins beat the Giants in the last game? Will that make any difference in coaching changes? Probably not....
7 months, 1 week ago on NYG 23 DET 20 OT
@mkdrep @the mayor Somewhere I read that one of the most important things to Mara is that the Giants are still playing meaningful games in December. In recent years even thought they didn't make the playoffs the final game still meant something - there was a chance to get in the playoffs. This year, by early December the Giants are of totally out of the playoff picture. So based on that, would that be enough to make Mara decide to make coaching changes?
If Seattle comes into Giants stadium (Metlife) and embarrass the Giants, then the stadium is half empty for the Redskins game (even with the seats being paid for) - you would hope that would be enough for Mara to say, "That's enough...."
7 months, 3 weeks ago on SD 37 NYG 14
@capt george I will always be a Giants fan but that would come close to doing me in.
@capt george I was just listening to the Giants morning call-in show (Big Blue Kickoff) and I can already hear them setting up the OL as the fall guy. The OL has been a mess but that is just one cause for the Giants state of affairs. It is even more depressing if the Giants management doesn't see that there is something inherently wrong with the offensive system.
Andy, I agree with the 3 coaches you point out that need replacing. Since no one has commented on the strength and conditioning coach, I agree with your point on changing the strength and conditioning coach. The whole S&C program needs to be revamped. Similar to the OC, I am guessing the S&C program is out of date. ACLs and broken bones are one thing. But all of the ham strings, groin injuries, etc - I would like to see a statistic as to how many of these type of injuries the Giants have compared to other teams.
If the Seahawks come into Giants stadium (ok, Metlife....) and really embarrass the Giants in front of the home crowd with Mara in attendance, then lost to Washington on the last game of the year, would that be enough embarrassment to the owners to convince them that coaching changes need to be made? Will that be enough? Like many of you, I think this team is just spinning its wheels until Gilbride and his offensive system is shown the door.
@ultimatenyg @jfoster @mezzanine I agree. Eli is not the problem. It feels like he has lost his confidence and some of his ability to throw as well under pressure. Understandably so, as many times as this OL has changed this year. And Gilbride's play calling is not helping matters.
8 months ago on Odds and Ends at 4-7
@mezzanine Here's something I almost hate to ask - have we already seen the best of Eli? This is now his 2nd year that has been sub-par, at least compared to 3 years ago when they won the super bowl. I think we assumed that he would continue to get better as his career continued in the NFL. But maybe we have already seen the best Eli. Don't misunderstand - that is not a knock on Eli - he has been a great QB for the Giants and I would still take Eli over at least 2/3 of the QBs out there. But I'm just wondering if we have already seen his best.
This goes along with the criticism of Gilbride. I would love to see how Eli would do under a new OC that had some progressive, forward thinking approaches. Like has been said in different places, the Giants often win in SPITE of Gilbride. In the same way, I think Eli has done well, in SPITE of Gilbride's play calling at times. I just hope that by the time the Giants finally go with a new OC, that it isn't too late for Eli.
Great article. A little clarification. When I said that the 2 superbowls cover a multitude of problems, what I was referring to was when people defend Gilbride, for example, by saying, 'hey, he brought us 2 SUperbowl wins. Often when players or coaches are criticized the 2 superbowls are brought up. I think the Giants earned those superbowls and weren't just lucky as some history revisionists now try to say. But at the same time winning those 2 superbowls doesn't give the coaches or players involved a lifetime free pass. That was my thought when I said that
@I Bleed Blue Great post! Yours is one of the best comments I have read all week.
You would hope that having meaningless games in December (and half empty stadium?) would prompt Mara to make changes. I have this sinking feeling its not going to happen though. The Giants will do just enough so that no one loses their job. I am also interested to see how these players perform when they have no shot at the playoffs.
8 months, 1 week ago on DAL 24 NYG 21
I hated all the 'trash talk' before this game too. You would think a 4-6 team would have enough sense to not do that. Now that there chances of making the playoffs are pretty much nil, I will be interested to see how this group of players react. There will be a lot of new faces next year.
Reading this article and the comments so far - I agree with all the sentiment. The worst result of this season would be to do just well enough that the coaching staff stays intact and we are stuck with more years of mediocre football. The two Superbowl wins cover up a multitude of mediocre football. Depending on your age, you have seen, like me, a lot of mediocre to bad football in the Giants past. My fear is that the Giants get stuck back in that mode.
Like many of you - I have just had it with Gilbride. There is plenty of other blame to go around, but when I see other offenses in action around the league it makes me realize how antiquated and predictable Gilbride's approach is. When the Giants win, it seems to be in SPITE of Gilbride, not because of some good approach he takes to a game.
Looking at the schedule I predict 6-10 for a finish. Is that bad enough to cost Gilbride his job? My fear is that it is just good enough for him to stay.
We probably all 'roll our eyes' when they players insist they are taking it 'one game at a time', but with the way the Giants' season has gone, I find myself doing just that. At this point, it seems unrealistic that the Giants win enough games with the remaining schedule to make the playoffs. At this point, I just want to see them play better each game. So from that perspective, I have really been enjoying these last few games. I love seeing the effect Beason has had on this team (note to Reese - llnebackers ARE important), and I love the combination of Brown and Jacobs. I am really impressed on how the team has stayed together after an 0-6 start. That's my take anyway!
8 months, 2 weeks ago on NYG 27 GB 13
How large of a load is realistic for Brown to carry the rest of the season? We saw what happened to Jacobs after his big day. I don't think Brown is on the injury report this week, so hopefully he will be ready to go this Sunday. But expecting him to carry that size load every week seems unrealistic. If Jacobs can get healthy do you think the load will be split more between Brown, Hillis and Jacobs? Maybe 2/3 for Brown and the rest for Hillis and Jacobs? I worry about Brown carrying that much every week. Seems like it is asking for trouble.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Andre Brown Continues to Push Through Obstacles
@capt george @jfoster Totally agree on the OC comment. The inability to run a decent screen is mind-boggling. I hope we will eventually see what Eli can do under another OC.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20
@capt george @jfoster I agree with what you are saying. I guess the only thing is it seems like the pressure is getting in Eli's head more this year than in the past. Understandably so, but it seems to be a cumulative effect.
I agree that Philly looks like the main contender for the NFC East now. Dallas had the division gift-wrapped to them and haven't been able to run away with it. Got to love that!
Eli worries me. I have always been a staunch supporter of Eli (for younger brothers everywhere!) but he seems to have taken several steps backwards this year. I know the line has been terrible and still isn't great, but the continued pressure seems to have gotten to him. Even when he has time back there now, he seems to rush his passes. And screens - the Giants haven't run a decent screen in years and now I am wondering if the common denominator in their inability to run a screen might be Eli. It just isn't something he does very well.
In general, It just seems like Eli has lost his mojo. I have a hard time imagining him bringing this team back in a 4th quarter situation right now, like he has done in years past.
I would be interested everyone's take on that.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20
Who would have thought when the Giants beat the Eagles the last game of last year, that the Giants wouldn't win another game when they play the Eagles on the the fifth game the following year!
I hope this is finally a wake up call to Reese about the importance of putting together a top-notch offensive line (if Reese is still the GM next year). Pugh will probably turn out to be a solid lineman but it is too little too late. None of Reese's mid to late round OL picks have panned out.
The really sad thing is they are going to waste the prime years of Eli's career because they let the foundation of the offense rot. Sickening...
10 months ago on KC 31 NYG 7
Great article. It doesn't say much about the offense when Blackburn can be gone since last season and still be able to tell so much. Also, it doesn't say much about the offense that so little has changed that Brandon Jacobs can fit right back in so easily. This next game will tell us a lot about this team in multiple ways.
10 months, 1 week ago on Chase Black-burned
@CommanderShepard @RichConforti Next week's performance will tell us a lot. This was the first game this year that they were literally embarrassed. Let's see how this Giants team reacts to that. That will tell me a lot about this team.
10 months, 1 week ago on CAR 38 NYG 0
@Dminches That would be even MORE disturbing if the receivers were not getting open against a secondary group that was supposedly so beaten up.
My biggest beef is they appeared to make so few adjustments once they saw what was happening. One obvious approach would be to take more short passes to Wilson, Cruz, Myers to move the chains. So why aren't they doing it? Does Eli not check down to those type of plays? Are they not an option? At this rate Eli won't make it through the season without getting injured.
I hate to look too far down the road as depressing as that is but at this rate are they looking at 4-12? 5-11? I don't see many teams they can beat.
If the offensive line is really as bad as it appears, it could take multiple years to fix it, especially as inept as Reese has proven to be in putting together an offensive line. You would think after the money they have invested in Eli, a top notch offensive line would be #1 on the priority list. Going to be a long year....
Ah, Homer Jones! I remember Jones also! Going along with what Steve writes - this seems all the more reason to go for shorter passes that move the chains and gets the ball in Nicks' hands. Seems like they too often go for the home run ball (deep down field) and end up in 3rd and long. Just doesn't seem to be in Gilbride's playbook very often.
10 months, 2 weeks ago on A Closer Look at Hakeem Nicks' Return to Form
One of my pet peeves (preaching to the choir here, I know...) is the lack adjusting to game situations by Gilbride. I don't understand why they continue to try to go for the big yardage when Eli has like 2 seconds back there to get rid of the ball. I just don't get it. Even with the running game almost non-existent, at least move the chains with short yardage passes.
Ok, I'll stop now......
I would not be surprised at all to see the Giants lose to the Panthers next weekend. We will see who is the most desperate for a win.
10 months, 2 weeks ago on DEN 41 NYG 23
@Paddlepedal Another pet peeve of mine - 3rd and short and Gilbride has Eli chucking down field 30 yards instead of going for the short pass to move the chains. Drives me NUTS. Those long passes work every so often but opposing defenses must see them coming a mile away.
11 months ago on Giants Roster, Odds in Game 1
I also totally agree. It has been my pet peeve for awhile now. The have an over-abundance of good player at defensive line and end up having to cut good players that will play on other teams. Seems a waste. Its as if Reese has a blind spot when it comes to DL/LB. This seems very strange for a team that was known for its linebackers for so long. I just don't get it.
I have also been screaming for them to take a linebacker or offensive lineman in the first round or at least the first 3 rounds for years. I don't understand why they don't seem to value linebackers more than they do. They continue to 'get by' with mid-level talent at that position. I just don't get it. And they are very fortunate they have a top-notch offensive line coach or they would be in even more trouble on the OL.
I would be very happy with either Ogletree or Fluker. Which you know means they won't take either one of them.....
1 year, 3 months ago on 2013 NFL Mock Draft
@ultimatenyg Just read your article from 2009. Amazing. So why would the Giants management not see this as an area that needs working on in a major way? I just don't get it. It seems like they would be looking for any way they can get an advantage on the competition. i just don't get it. This could also at least partially explain why Coughlin has a track record of Giants team doing worse in the 2nd half of the season - once these injuries start piling up.
I also think it is because the NFL know the Giants are big ratings draws and stack up tougher matchups for them late in the season. I mean, come on - New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore and Philadelphia (as they were predicted to be...) all in December? Did any other team have a December any place close to that?
I think I digressed... Sorry about that....
1 year, 7 months ago on NYG 42 PHL 7
@ultimatenyg @pdmeyerh I would love to see them draft a 10 yr staple Pro Bowl guard or tackle in the early rounds. Come on, Jerry, you can do it! Please.....
Great article. Great note on the Giants' training system (#2 above). Thanks for pointing this out. When I have asked this question on other sites, the answer is always that all teams have injuries, no better or worse than the Giants. It always has seemed like the Giants have more than their fair share of certain types of injuries.
I heard a similar comment from a member of the 49ers secondary on a Peter King podcast - how their training program had a big effect on the team staying as healthy as possible. One of the best things the Giants could do in the off-season would be to go out and hire the best possible conditioning coach that is available. Or hire him away from another team (can they do that?). The Giants seem to be way behind the curve on keeping players healthy. There are always going to be injuries but when you see injuries consistently like pulled hamstrings, quad and calf pulls, you start to wonder about the conditioning program.
I would love to see the Giants hire a new OC but that seems unlikely so I would start with a new conditioning coach. And draft a top-notch offensive lineman early in the draft that will be a solid starter for the next several years.
I know - fat chance of any of that happening....
As was said below last year the Giants were in a similar position but this feels different. The Giants had no ability to come back yesterday. That is very disturbing. There is something fundamentally wrong with this team when they have such wide swings in performance. Score 52 against the Saints last week (granted they are not a great team this year but the Saints have almost always been a tough matchup for the Giants) then get skunked in this game. I really don't understand it. And now the GIants face 2 more teams that they typically don't match up well against. I hate to be so negative but I could easily see them losing both of these games. I hope I am wrong.
1 year, 7 months ago on ATL 34 NYG 0
So why are they so reluctant to use screens? It this just Gilbride's M.O.? (what is an M.O. anyway?) It drives me nuts when they waste a 1st down by flinging it deep downfield to see if they can get lucky and catch the secondary asleep. There were at least a couple examples of that in this last game.
The thing that I don't understand and is a little disconcerting is why the Giants can't be more consistent and come up with these efforts on a more regular basis. All teams have a bad game once in a while, but the Giants seem to need to be up against a wall or some other drama to play like this. I love that the boy with Leukemia was such an inspiration to them, telling them to 'play like world champions'. But it shouldn't come to that, should it?
1 year, 8 months ago on NY Giants 38 GB 10
@pdmeyerh I agree on Andre Brown. He has a way of following his blockers and getting positive yardage consistently. It would give a change of pace, just like Bradshaw coming in for Jacobs or Tiki used to do. I wish they would do that more often. Oops, I guess that takes us back to Gilbride again....
1 year, 9 months ago on NYGiants 29 Dallas 24
I know I am 'preaching to the choir' here but I really believe the Giantsmore often that not, win IN SPITE of Gilbride. Can you imagine what they Giants could do with the talent they have in the hands of a top notch OC? I really believe Gilbride is the Giants' achilles heel.
As soon as Bradshaw fumbled, even though the score was 23-0, I though, 'uh oh.....'. I hate being right. As bad as it was, can you imagine how we all would feel if Bryant gets that hand in bounds. Sheeesh.....
This is assuming RGIII stays healthy. It was only a couple games ago when he was almost concussed out of a game. I am just as impressed watching his interviews. He is a sharp kid.
1 year, 9 months ago on A more thorough discussion of the exhilarating win vs Washington
@Paddlepedal - That is an area of the offense that drives me nuts. I understand going deep down field every so often and it pays off sometimes, but the Giants seem to do it too much and end up in 3rd and long more than they should. I know I am not saying anything new to this group.
1 year, 10 months ago on PHL 19 NYG 17
@Paddlepedal What did the article say that showed the message hasn't sunk in yet?
@Arthuro I guess I am thinking of big picture - the Giants have been better the last several years than many of the years I can remember cheering for them when they managed 4-12 seasons. But you are probably right - they have been average or a little above average during the last several years.
Even at records of 8-8, 9-7, or even 7-9, they should have a better record against the Eagles than losing the last 8 out of 9. The Eagles haven't been THAT much better than the Giants during those years to come up with a record of 8-1 against the Giants. I think some teams just match up with other teams better than other teams.
Great article. I couldn't agree more on Gilbride. I know this is 'preaching to the choir' but I think they win in spite of Gilbride. It should never have come down to that last kick.
I think it is very strange how, as good as the Giants have been the last several years, the Eagles have won the last 8 of 9 games against the Giants. It seems like the Eagles are in the Giants' heads now. This game won't help any.
This is really good. Like Russ said, I love the notes on the right side. I am amazed you can get through all this in a few days!
I am encouraged by this combination of offensive linemen. Philly will provide a much tougher challenge. It will interesting, to say the least, to see how the line does against Philly. I don't see how Diehl gets back in (especially at tackle) once he is healthy.
I don't like all the talk about how weak the Eagles are, etc. Sounds like the perfect game for the Giants to have a let down. I hope I'm wrong...
1 year, 10 months ago on Week 3 Jump to Conclusions Mat- OL, TE, WR, LB Edition
Really good analysis. The things you are recommending against Tampa Bay - play action, counters, draws, misdirections - aren't these all the things we complain that Gilbride rarely calls?
1 year, 10 months ago on Week 1 Jump to Conclusions Mat- Offensive Line Edition | September
@ultimatenyg @Arthuro Will this be on this web page or will it be a separate web page? Just making sure I don't miss out on your hard work!
1 year, 11 months ago on Conversation @ http://www.ultimatenyg.com/2012-articles/august/ultimate22.html