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@mkdrep @the mayor Somewhere I read that one of the most important things to Mara is that the Giants are still playing meaningful games in December. In recent years even thought they didn't make the playoffs the final game still meant something - there was a chance to get in the playoffs. This year, by early December the Giants are of totally out of the playoff picture. So based on that, would that be enough to make Mara decide to make coaching changes?
If Seattle comes into Giants stadium (Metlife) and embarrass the Giants, then the stadium is half empty for the Redskins game (even with the seats being paid for) - you would hope that would be enough for Mara to say, "That's enough...."
13 hours, 25 minutes ago on SD 37 NYG 14
@capt george I will always be a Giants fan but that would come close to doing me in.
1 day, 7 hours ago on SD 37 NYG 14
@capt george I was just listening to the Giants morning call-in show (Big Blue Kickoff) and I can already hear them setting up the OL as the fall guy. The OL has been a mess but that is just one cause for the Giants state of affairs. It is even more depressing if the Giants management doesn't see that there is something inherently wrong with the offensive system.
Andy, I agree with the 3 coaches you point out that need replacing. Since no one has commented on the strength and conditioning coach, I agree with your point on changing the strength and conditioning coach. The whole S&C program needs to be revamped. Similar to the OC, I am guessing the S&C program is out of date. ACLs and broken bones are one thing. But all of the ham strings, groin injuries, etc - I would like to see a statistic as to how many of these type of injuries the Giants have compared to other teams.
If the Seahawks come into Giants stadium (ok, Metlife....) and really embarrass the Giants in front of the home crowd with Mara in attendance, then lost to Washington on the last game of the year, would that be enough embarrassment to the owners to convince them that coaching changes need to be made? Will that be enough? Like many of you, I think this team is just spinning its wheels until Gilbride and his offensive system is shown the door.
1 day, 10 hours ago on SD 37 NYG 14
@ultimatenyg @jfoster @mezzanine I agree. Eli is not the problem. It feels like he has lost his confidence and some of his ability to throw as well under pressure. Understandably so, as many times as this OL has changed this year. And Gilbride's play calling is not helping matters.
1 week, 4 days ago on Odds and Ends at 4-7
@mezzanine Here's something I almost hate to ask - have we already seen the best of Eli? This is now his 2nd year that has been sub-par, at least compared to 3 years ago when they won the super bowl. I think we assumed that he would continue to get better as his career continued in the NFL. But maybe we have already seen the best Eli. Don't misunderstand - that is not a knock on Eli - he has been a great QB for the Giants and I would still take Eli over at least 2/3 of the QBs out there. But I'm just wondering if we have already seen his best.
This goes along with the criticism of Gilbride. I would love to see how Eli would do under a new OC that had some progressive, forward thinking approaches. Like has been said in different places, the Giants often win in SPITE of Gilbride. In the same way, I think Eli has done well, in SPITE of Gilbride's play calling at times. I just hope that by the time the Giants finally go with a new OC, that it isn't too late for Eli.
Great article. A little clarification. When I said that the 2 superbowls cover a multitude of problems, what I was referring to was when people defend Gilbride, for example, by saying, 'hey, he brought us 2 SUperbowl wins. Often when players or coaches are criticized the 2 superbowls are brought up. I think the Giants earned those superbowls and weren't just lucky as some history revisionists now try to say. But at the same time winning those 2 superbowls doesn't give the coaches or players involved a lifetime free pass. That was my thought when I said that
@I Bleed Blue Great post! Yours is one of the best comments I have read all week.
You would hope that having meaningless games in December (and half empty stadium?) would prompt Mara to make changes. I have this sinking feeling its not going to happen though. The Giants will do just enough so that no one loses their job. I am also interested to see how these players perform when they have no shot at the playoffs.
2 weeks ago on DAL 24 NYG 21
I hated all the 'trash talk' before this game too. You would think a 4-6 team would have enough sense to not do that. Now that there chances of making the playoffs are pretty much nil, I will be interested to see how this group of players react. There will be a lot of new faces next year.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on DAL 24 NYG 21
Reading this article and the comments so far - I agree with all the sentiment. The worst result of this season would be to do just well enough that the coaching staff stays intact and we are stuck with more years of mediocre football. The two Superbowl wins cover up a multitude of mediocre football. Depending on your age, you have seen, like me, a lot of mediocre to bad football in the Giants past. My fear is that the Giants get stuck back in that mode.
Like many of you - I have just had it with Gilbride. There is plenty of other blame to go around, but when I see other offenses in action around the league it makes me realize how antiquated and predictable Gilbride's approach is. When the Giants win, it seems to be in SPITE of Gilbride, not because of some good approach he takes to a game.
Looking at the schedule I predict 6-10 for a finish. Is that bad enough to cost Gilbride his job? My fear is that it is just good enough for him to stay.
We probably all 'roll our eyes' when they players insist they are taking it 'one game at a time', but with the way the Giants' season has gone, I find myself doing just that. At this point, it seems unrealistic that the Giants win enough games with the remaining schedule to make the playoffs. At this point, I just want to see them play better each game. So from that perspective, I have really been enjoying these last few games. I love seeing the effect Beason has had on this team (note to Reese - llnebackers ARE important), and I love the combination of Brown and Jacobs. I am really impressed on how the team has stayed together after an 0-6 start. That's my take anyway!
3 weeks, 1 day ago on NYG 27 GB 13
How large of a load is realistic for Brown to carry the rest of the season? We saw what happened to Jacobs after his big day. I don't think Brown is on the injury report this week, so hopefully he will be ready to go this Sunday. But expecting him to carry that size load every week seems unrealistic. If Jacobs can get healthy do you think the load will be split more between Brown, Hillis and Jacobs? Maybe 2/3 for Brown and the rest for Hillis and Jacobs? I worry about Brown carrying that much every week. Seems like it is asking for trouble.
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Andre Brown Continues to Push Through Obstacles
@capt george @jfoster Totally agree on the OC comment. The inability to run a decent screen is mind-boggling. I hope we will eventually see what Eli can do under another OC.
3 weeks, 6 days ago on NYG 24 OAK 20
@capt george @jfoster I agree with what you are saying. I guess the only thing is it seems like the pressure is getting in Eli's head more this year than in the past. Understandably so, but it seems to be a cumulative effect.
I agree that Philly looks like the main contender for the NFC East now. Dallas had the division gift-wrapped to them and haven't been able to run away with it. Got to love that!
Eli worries me. I have always been a staunch supporter of Eli (for younger brothers everywhere!) but he seems to have taken several steps backwards this year. I know the line has been terrible and still isn't great, but the continued pressure seems to have gotten to him. Even when he has time back there now, he seems to rush his passes. And screens - the Giants haven't run a decent screen in years and now I am wondering if the common denominator in their inability to run a screen might be Eli. It just isn't something he does very well.
In general, It just seems like Eli has lost his mojo. I have a hard time imagining him bringing this team back in a 4th quarter situation right now, like he has done in years past.
I would be interested everyone's take on that.
4 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20
Who would have thought when the Giants beat the Eagles the last game of last year, that the Giants wouldn't win another game when they play the Eagles on the the fifth game the following year!
I hope this is finally a wake up call to Reese about the importance of putting together a top-notch offensive line (if Reese is still the GM next year). Pugh will probably turn out to be a solid lineman but it is too little too late. None of Reese's mid to late round OL picks have panned out.
The really sad thing is they are going to waste the prime years of Eli's career because they let the foundation of the offense rot. Sickening...
2 months, 1 week ago on KC 31 NYG 7
Great article. It doesn't say much about the offense when Blackburn can be gone since last season and still be able to tell so much. Also, it doesn't say much about the offense that so little has changed that Brandon Jacobs can fit right back in so easily. This next game will tell us a lot about this team in multiple ways.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Chase Black-burned
@CommanderShepard @RichConforti Next week's performance will tell us a lot. This was the first game this year that they were literally embarrassed. Let's see how this Giants team reacts to that. That will tell me a lot about this team.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on CAR 38 NYG 0
@Dminches That would be even MORE disturbing if the receivers were not getting open against a secondary group that was supposedly so beaten up.
My biggest beef is they appeared to make so few adjustments once they saw what was happening. One obvious approach would be to take more short passes to Wilson, Cruz, Myers to move the chains. So why aren't they doing it? Does Eli not check down to those type of plays? Are they not an option? At this rate Eli won't make it through the season without getting injured.
I hate to look too far down the road as depressing as that is but at this rate are they looking at 4-12? 5-11? I don't see many teams they can beat.
If the offensive line is really as bad as it appears, it could take multiple years to fix it, especially as inept as Reese has proven to be in putting together an offensive line. You would think after the money they have invested in Eli, a top notch offensive line would be #1 on the priority list. Going to be a long year....