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One thing you could add to your anaylsis is the availabilty of substitutes. For example, the Alabama market may be small, but College Football is pretty much the only thing going on in that state. There are no pro-teams or other sports to compete with it. As for the New York Market, Rutgers Football has to compete with a couple of Pro-Football teams, pro-baseball teams, pro-basketball teams, etc. That market may be bigger, but it may also be more saturated.
1 year, 8 months ago on How Is A So-So Big Ten Rolling In Dough? It’s All About The Numbers
Why does paying athletes create a problem? Literally everybody else in this business model gets paid.
People who get paid: Coaches, Assistant Coaches, trainers, athetic directors, athletic office staff, tutors for student athletes, ESPN reporters and anaylysts, SEC executives, SEC staff, referrees, Bowl commissioners, etc.
People who don't get paid: Football players, cheerleaders, band members (Basically everybody who you see on the field who is under 22)
Sounds a lot like generational discremination to me.
1 year, 9 months ago on As Opposition To Stipends Increases, So Too Do The Chances Of A New Subdivision In College Sports
@local37220 @kelticreid When business/big money is involved, being a founding member means something, but not much. The CEO/founder of Groupon was just fired this week by the board of directors, and he founded the company.... Also, yes, Law firms DO kick out founding members, it happened to the guy who represented Madoff . Removing founding members happens in the business world, as well in cartels in America (which is what conferences are).
If these same state schools bring in no money, then they should, as a business owner be ejected. However, I don't believe that is the case. I believe that schools in the same state help solidify the state. Not every college football person in Florida watches only Florida, a lot of people watch Florida, so adding FSU will increase viewers in Florida, by how much is debatable.
1 year, 10 months ago on FSU A.D. Spetman Talks Openly About Switching Conferences… And The SEC
My guess is that FSU is really trying to get out of the ACC, and making this statement makes the other schools nervous about their future as well. Nervous schools are more likely to bolt to other conferences. FSU pretty much knows that the worse case scenerio for them is that they join the Big 12 if the ACC falls apart.
FSU is basically saying, hey we are wanting to leave, we are an anchor in this conference, you other schools should leave first and eliminate this buyout clause so we can go to another conference. This statement was probably directed more toward UNC, Virginia and GA Tech than it was anybody else. Just a signal for them to leave first.
Un @kelticreid FSU does and will deliver additional value. If that were not the case, then why doesn't the SEC kick out Auburn and Ole Miss? There are already 2 bigger teams in that conference, why not just eject them and split the difference between fewer teams. Alabama and Miss State could say they claim the whole state and that Auburn and Ole Miss add nothing to the conference.
Also, Florida is a much bigger state than Miss and Alabama, so if any state could justify supporting two colleges, it would be Florida (and of course Texas).
What if the University dismissed all of them, and it turned out 1 of the 4 had nothing to do with the incident and was completley innocent. Imagine that player was a senior who would be eligble for the NFL draft, this negative publicity/getting kicked out of an institution, when the player did nothing wrong, would be very troublesome since he could claim it affected his draft/sponshorship positions. The player could then sue the university for making a rash decision that has financially harmed them. The university could be liable for damages, as well as punitive damages, which could total in the millions.
Waiting for all of the facts to come in is never a bad thing. Better to make no decision than a bad decision.
1 year, 11 months ago on Question: How Many Bama Fans Would Have Called For Due Process If Saban Had Acted Immediately?
@badbadhoggieI can truthfully see why a lot of players would shirk in this situation. It really isn't a shame on them, but a shame on the situation. Think about it this way, if you are a pocket passer quarterback and you have no idea who your coach will be in a year, then there is a big incentive to shirk. Even if you do good, the new coach may want to run a spread offense, then you are kind of screwed anyways and need to transfer. (Arkansas benefited from this situation first hand when RR came to Michigan). Having an uncertaintity about your head coach is defitnatley an incentive for players to shirk.
1 year, 11 months ago on Ex-Hog Coaches Say A.D. Long And Players Quitting Were To Blame For Bad Season
Here is a great link where a sports economist talks about competive balance in college sports. The basic jist of the paper is that even with limiting player compensation, the NCAA has miserably failed at keepign a competitive balance in college athletics.
2 years ago on Fix The NCAA? There Are No Simple Answers (But We Do Have A Suggestion)
@AllTideUp Right now colleges DO play players, however it is just that thier compensation sucks and isn't in the form of money. A player's maximum compesnation right now is a 1 year contract to a university, with full room and board, tution, tutoring fees and a monthly stipend. All that adds up to about 25k per player, which is right around the poverty line.
Also, note that players don't even get a 4 year contract to a university, but a 1 year contract with an OPTION to renew by the school, also the contract prohibits the player from seeking other alternatives once the contract is accepted in year 1 (players can't just transfer willy nilly).
That sounds like a horrible business model to me.
@BonzaiB @ChaseTheTrain Cost of going to an away game in a long distance city for 2 people.
1. Hotel room 115-180$
2. Plane Tickets 200-400$
3. Game Tickets 80-160$
4. Food & Drinks 200-400$
2 years ago on Texas A.D. On Expansion: “We’re Very Happy with 10″
@Quidam65 Atlanta is very location friendly site for consumers to go to. The SEC is very close when it comes to Geography. Other leagues however have a big geography problem. The ACC for a long time has hosted the championship game in Tampa Florida. Imagine if Maryland was in that game, a Maryland fan will have to travel all the way down to Tampa just to see the game. Then if Maryland won and got a BCS bid, that fan would like to travel again to see the BCS game. That is just too much to ask.
Most SEC fans can drive to Atlanta (Until the recent additions of A&M and Missou). USC, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, UF. They all have very close proximities to the championship site (also note that most of those team are usually in the championship game). That is a pretty low cost to the fans themselves.
It's too bad, out of that 163,000$ that is spent on the athlete, hardly any of that money goes to the athlete itself (salary, tutition, room & board). Guess that is what happens when you have a salary cap on your employees. The money is still there, it just gets funneled to anciallary people rather than the athlete itself.
If they hosted the championship game in a city of a team that actually played it, then they might sell the tickets. Hosting it in a nuetral city to me is just stupid. All they would need to do alternate year to year which division representative would host the game. For the ACC, one year the Atlantic Division representative would host it, the next year the Costal Division Rep would host it.
@JRsec @redav To your #2 point. Don't forgot about USF/UCF. If the ACC loses Florida State (very possible) and loses Miami (Somewhat Possible). The ACC will still want a presence in the state of Florida. raiding the Big East for USF and or UCF will still keep them in that market.
2 years ago on Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 4)
@kelticreid I wholehardily agree with your point. I'm wondering though if the Pac 12 are having 2nd thoughts about adding Colorado and Utah. Doesn't seem like they have brought anything since being added.
@edelswick To your point, it is very hard to predict where a team will be years from now when it comes to competiveness. To make a "power conference" will be almost like a fools errand.
Just looks at teams like Miami and Tenessee, who used to be perrenial powers, but haven't been relevant when it came to football for quite some time now. Or a team like Notre Dame, which hasn't been relevant for 10+ years, that is now suddenly relevant again. Would a team like Boise State be considered in this power conference? The have national appeal, but that is 95% due to their coaches willingness to stay at Boise State (does anybody believe they will be relevant if their coach left?).
You can't even tell if a team will be good this year. Just look at the #1 preseason team (USC). Their season was highly dissapointing by almost everybody's standard.
My point is, you can't really predict where a team will be 5 years from now, or even 1 year from now. So to make a "power conference" is unnatainable.
Not to mention that Florida is very very fertile when it comes to highschool talent. I'm sure the Big 10 would LOVE a pipeline to the state of Florida for recruiting purposes.
@SouthernBoiSB No, as you increase the amount of teams in a conference, but keep the same number of games played per team, the odds of teams with the same record increase.
2 years ago on Observations On Florida’s Nightmarish Sugar Bowl
Economics 101. If the tickets are not selling out, reduce the price of tickets. Also, reduce the price of auxillary charges, like 20$ for parking, 10$ for a cup of beer (if played in a pro stadium), etc.. Maybe then locals around the stadium would attend the game and fans from afar would reconsider traveling to the game.
True Florida was the 2nd or 3rd Best in the SEC going into this game and UL was #1 in the Big East. Keep this in mind though, the SEC has 14 teams and the Big East has 8 teams. Being 1 out of 8 is almost essentialy being 2nd out of 14.
Also, the Big East had 4 teams with the same in-conference record (5-2) 50%, while the SEC had 3 teams with the same conference record (7-1) 21% . If you do a side by side comparision, the BE has a more even distribution when it comes to parity, while the SEC does seem to be skewed to the Elite teams of the conference.
This isn't to attack the SEC , but it does seem like the Big East gets a worse reputation than it deserves.
I believe in State Rivals will try to find a way to play each other, even if they are in different conferences. Here is my reasoning for that assumption. So worrying about playing an in-state rival in a different conference is just ridiculous.
1. Ticket sales are a major concern for Football now, just look at how many of the bowl games are not selling out. Since many people can now watch high-def football from their couch for virtually no money, and the cost of going to an away game out of state is relativley very high now. These long distance games are having a big impact on filling up stadiums.
2. Since the cost of traveling in state to play a rival is very low for the fans, the fans will be more willing to go to these games. Example, I graduated from USF, the attendance for the USF vs UCF series was higher than the attendance for the Rutgers vs USF or the WVU vs USF series, and those two schools are much more prestigious than UCF.
3. The current in state rival games for non-conferences almost always sell out (Clemson vs USC, UF vs FSU, GT vs UGA, etc.. )
2 years ago on Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 3)
@Mr_Travis_McGee I may be wrong, but wasn't FSU on two of the Saturday evening ESPN Game of the Week? Seems pretty marquee to me.
@Hihoze I think it will be like more of BE situation than a breakout. remember it took about a decade for the Big East to really die? My bet is the ACC will do the same thing. After Maryland leaves, 2-4 schools leave right after the exit fee is determined (my money is on GT,VA,FSU,VT leaving). The ACC then replaces those schools with some variation of the remaining BE schools (USF,UC,Uconn, and a 4th). This happens again and again for the next decade, until the ACC is gone.
@JRsec I agree with you. North Carolina brings in around 2 mil households. 2 Million/3 schools is about .666 mil new households. The state of Florida has around 5 mil cable households. Say FSU helps claim 1/5 of that. Then you get 1 million households. UF does not caputre all 5 million households. So bringing FSU will help capture the huge state of Florida, and also increase the national brand. North Carolina and Duke do nothing in the way of Football brand nationally.
I can see NC coming in alone or with Duke (that would be ideal), but with NC State as well.... that is a long long stretch. Taking in 3 schools from a 2 million state is a hard pill to swallow.
@Quidam65 FIU & FAU have about half the athletic budget USF Does. Also, USF has upgraded athletic facilities and it plays in Raymond James Stadium. You can't compare USF to FIU and FAU with any type of seriousness. You could however compare USF to UCF... USF has a slighter advantage.
I think there are only 2 ways USF/UCF gets into a bigger conference.
1. If FSU leaves for the Big 12, the ACC replaces FSU with USF.
2. If the Big 12 decides to expand its footprint to Florida but is unable to grab FSU.
2 years, 1 month ago on Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 1)