@RobertLee2 I thought we were innocent until proven guilty in this country. What the principal thought has no relevance. The students should get the principal and school boards pensions and everything else they have.
How did we get to where students get suspended for chanting USA when the Pres can use multiple Social Security Numbers and apparently not even his legal name in getting into office?
see http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?page_id=385062
I think the principal move was racially motivated and should be removed immediately.
@Don39 I don't think I implied anywhere that you are ignorant, in fact I marked like on many of your comments. My response was in kind to the one labeling everyone.
@DavidStroud Spoken by a person who can't even figure out how to reply to a comment. Since I can back up almost everything I have said based on personal experience and 1st hand knowledge, you obviously must not even qualify as ignorant.
@the Truth Seeker @Benevolent Thinker I have never seen such a long almost completely false diatribe as truth seeker's rant above. Between the rate of spending, Obamacare and the total disregard for law by the administration we will be lucky to exist as a nation in 2016. You won't recognize this as the United States of America unless the blatant power grab is stopped we will all be on the plantation or reservation as subjects to the government.
For example Obamacare was designed to not show its impacts before 2012 elections. By 2016 the only health care provider will be the federal government, IRS this yearor next gets access to your bank accounts to collect debts( supposedly medical), Secretary level boards and community activists will be making medical decisions for you, and private hospital/clinics will be almost non existent in the US. Medical training will be done by the government run schools with community activists deciding where the graduates go and probably who gets in.
Does that sound like the USA we know?
That is just the tip of the iceberg on Obamacare. I have read the drafts, bill and law so I know the intents in the complicated wording. You can only imagine how much more there is in all those pages. No one could have read it and voted for it honestly.
Unless constraints are put on the current path by 2016 we will be owned by other nations because of our debts from spending and under international law not the constitution so your rights will be gone. The problems cited by Truth Seeker will be imposed upon you, me and all Americans -elite few think they are exempted but they will find out too late.
@the Truth Seeker From your comment I would assume you believe the bible is not valid either, because times have changed. Somehow the framers talked about the kind of power grab happening now and structured a government, like no other, trying to safeguard the people hoping to prevent what is happening. Freedom needed to be established in this world so we could progress. Their insight into mankind appears to be beyond your closed mind.
@the Truth Seeker @n2woods The similarities between Germany as Hitler gained power and the US today are amazing. The blind following as laws were changed and power/control taken appears to be happening. I never finished reading Mein Kampf because it seemed unreal but it seems real now as I see the things I remember being used here. Many of them were part of Rules for Radicals so that could be the guiding document. Either way I don't think it is in the best interest of the country.
Right and left seem to mean different things to different people. We need to talk big government vs limited government (Constitutional government). The founding fathers had the insight to establish the latter making this country the greatest the world has known. We need to keep it that way.
@the Truth Seeker Try http://www.hitlerlibrary.org/ArmyTalk.pdf, page 10 of the pamphlet and 6 of the site. "We National Socialists (Nazis)..." Combined with an explanation of the words "National Socialist" in German it makes a statement that infers a conclusion.
I find it an excellent example of how things are used to make a point so I included it at the end followed by the statement:
Follow your "truth seeker" name and don't just believe what you are told, including what I have said.
The credentials are real. Comments are always based on a person's understanding!
@the Truth Seeker You are talking about yourself and what you have been told again without any truth seeking.
@the Truth Seeker your reply is what is shear nonsense based on no personal knowledge just what you have been told. The tea party members I have met across the nation include many democrats and independents of all races.
Most are vets like me but few have my 60+ years of knowing people in the administrations, congresses, world wide diplomats, and 5 continents personally. I was raised by a father who headed a US delegation to an international organization, thus being a presidential adviser to 5 presidents. I have had clearances to see the intelligence data and spec ops operations for years. I know what I am talking about from personal experience. I have not met Karl only people that work with him. So unless you know personally better information consider your comment propaganda you have been taught.
The New York Times is the hub of the left wing talking points. They and the Washington Post should be considered thicker versions of the National Enquirer. Facts are only used when they can meet the story line.
Do you realize in Mein Kampf Hitler states "National Socialists (Nazis)..." and that most of those advising the current administration are socialists, thus national socialists . Read that book if you want to see what their plans are. You will find it is the play book. Many of those advisers are or are associates of the anti-American movements in the 60's. They fit the label. Many current leaders of the Democrat party are big government socialists as well.
Follow your "truth serker" name and don't just believe what you are told, including what I have said.
@the Truth Seeker The Pulitzer Prize has no claim to reality. It is a liberal award for liberal thinking divorced from any value except to liberal tinkers. His opinions are just that, personal opinions. Facts are to be invented or manipulated as needed in liberal writing, reports, documents, arguments and speeches.
RINOs like Karl Rove are becoming or are socialist but not as far left as the current administration. Mein Kampf appears to be their play book. Nazis is the shortened name for National Socialists as stated in the book. That is not a title to be proud of.
@the Truth Seeker @DavidStroud The Siena report is obviously biased by the teachings of the professors. The questions or the selected responders are skewed from reality.
Based on what they have done for this country the worst is Obama( the anti-america president) followed by Jimmy Carter with 2 Bushes and Clinton are not far up the list which would have Washington as the best. Coolidge and Regan should be 2 & 3 . What was the worst corruption of Harding has finally been overtaken by Obama. The order of the rest is academic and depending on the criteria could be sorted many ways.
Karl Rove is an example of what happen when people are inside the DC beltway too long. They loose why they were there to being in the in crowd. Self importance grows to where they can't see the nose on their face. Common sense goes out the window and only personal importance and power matter. People like Rove need to go.
The fruits of gun control. Typical of Obama goals/ideals.
Karl Rove is a political has been. He is a RINO probably financed by Soros. I don't think anyone contributing to his super pac will admit it because they all must be Dems.
@zagozana @Troubleshooter I met JFK the last intelligent Kennedy and I met and hated Chaney when he was in defense. The man is and was an idol of the democrats because of his ability. They had to attack him to destroy that image of admiration, almost all lies.
@zagozana until I saw this I thought you could think not recite, sorry about that.
From experience there is no reality in these statements. Most of them are derived from completely or deliberately altered facts political science not real science or intentional scams like global warming (created by a college professor Al Gore studied under} that Gore has played on the people gaining millions of dollars. Meteorologists disavowed being any part of the concept until it became job threatening not to accept it.
No sense wasting time trying to explain the others because you have accepted the propaganda and are immune to facts.
@zagozana Let me burst your bubble a little bit. Some day I will get my book out "Guilty Until Reproven Innocent - dealing with the federal government." Everything the government does assumes you are going to do something wrong. That is how I felt until this regime. From my experience, going back to 1957 access to the white house, there has never been as inept, dishonest, incompetent or less caring group of people in the white house. The whole government is operating in an unsteady state because they don't know what is coming next. They are looking out for themselves and could careless about the people they serve, except for some of the lower level workers trying to do something without any management support.
Under this administration I'm not sure you can even be reproven guilty. You are guilty unless you are part of the incrowd. Integrity is an impediment to the plan establishing the elite to rule the divided mass, the serfs or worker bees. Obamacare provides good examples. 1) Costs of individual care treatments will be controlled by a Secretary level board deciding the benefits to the government first. At the same time community organizers will be advising you on what you need and what is best for the state. 2) Medical personnel will be trained in federal government schools and located by the community activists where they decide is needed. 3) Simple Administrative procedures takes up 80 pages and is so worded that no 2 lawyers will necessarily come to the same conclusion about most of the procedures. The law has a few provisions up front that seem to be helpful with insurance companies but they disappear as I remember about 2015 when the government takes over. Twenty five pages are one liners changing a word or a few words in other laws making it almost impossible to assess the impact. The thing that really shows how much they care is: 4) The IRS gets direct access to your bank accounts for medical payments and as otherwise needed.
I am probably one of the few who has seen the drafts, read the bills and the law. Each step reworded problems to hide some of what is above, but it is still there. No one could honestly have voted for the law if they had read and thought about it. That is how the government intends to take care of the people. My best description from what I have seen is we will live like those currently on reservations. The government will own future generations because they won't be able to make enough money to pay he debt they inherited. That is the optimistic side of the current trend.
Capitalists need you to decide to buy what they sell, but the government can just tell you what you can have. Without the rights under the Constitution being protected by the people not assaulted by a rogue group who don't know what made this the greatest nation that will happen repeating history. That is what makes this seemingly small matter a big deal
Troubleshooter @zagozana Slavery has been around since people wanted power over each other. Slaves of all races rowed the Roman and Greek ships. It was thriving in Africa when the British traders realized the could make money bringing them to the colonies. It was power and stupidity that made it racial in this country. People fear what they don't understand. The stupidity was the owner who assumed inferiority of the African slaves because their knowledge was not based on the conditions of the owners society. Fear of the physical strength caused the, don't let them better themselves and find out what they can do an what their real value is, attitude that led to the segregation mentality. I believe a similar attitude exists with those politicians overseeing the slum areas today.
Power and control are the real causes of slavery. That is why I think it is part of his discussion. Hitler lead a brutal time in history that has vivid pictures associated with it because it was exposed to the world. The slaughter and slavery in many places is not visible because the leaders still have control.
We need to make sure that can't happen here. The current path could lead that way. The bigger the government the more individual freedom and rights are lost.