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@nphaskins @aliceerickson I tried DMS last night on a subdirectory of a multisite. Got a fatal error on the entire site and had to delete DMS and the sections plugin in order to get my site back up. That's aside from not being able to access the cool plugins Nick made and I already purchased. I was being forced back into repurchase. Looks like I'm out for DMS.
4 months, 1 week ago on What is a DMS?
How long will the Framework be supported?
4 months, 2 weeks ago on What is a DMS?
@illinimatt81 I think the fact that he's courting WPMU means he likes their marketing style. Not a good omen, in my opinion.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on What competitors think about DMS
Yeah, WPMU which deals in a subscription marketing platform that is very gorilla-marketed. Misleading tease on top of it.
@flidget These problems are many of the same problems with PageLines. Another teaser.
4 months, 3 weeks ago on The problem with themes…
@illinimatt81 @jancaynes @redefiler @webranger1962 Exactly!
4 months, 3 weeks ago on Why DMS will be open source.
@redefiler @jancaynes @webranger1962 I haven't seen this type of model with an economy of scale considered.
Unlike you, a meaningful discount isn't going to resolve or change my perception of PageLines or make me want to buy into the DMS. I believe they currently have the optional subscription for premium support and for developer tools for the Framework, then support for purchased plugins, which is where the support failed for me.
Getting rid of the admin panel upsells, etc would be nice, but like other similar models, I'm guessing the nags will probably get worse.
@redefiler @jancaynes @webranger1962 It isn't much different than all the phone and computer hype - get the brand new phone with the brand new software and the new hardware that lets you do whatever better. I've bought it, but still hardly ever use my phone. In the current economy, the bleeding edge of anything is not where I'm going to be. :D
@redefiler @jancaynes @webranger1962 Oh, no. That was the treatment when not subscribed under premium. I hardly ever ask for help, so I don't see the value in a monthly subscription. I don't care for snob appeal marketing either, so paying to be part of a coding club isn't enticing. I've paid enough to PageLines/Framework and haven't received much more than if I hadn't paid, so I'm going with no pay this time.
@AleksanderHansson @jancaynes Thanks for the info. I'm definitely not in for a subscription, but I'll wait and see what rolls out with the DMS. Hopefully not laden with internal upsells and annoying marketing notices in the admin panel. I'm also looking around at other alternatives as well.
@etc @musicman75 @jancaynes You're on notice that I am ignoring your posts, etc. Thanks for playing.
@redefiler @jancaynes @webranger1962 Because you get stuck on a forum that doesn't get much activity or response. It took about two weeks to get a terse response.
@etc @jancaynes I asked you the question, since you're snarking on my questions and reading way too much into them. Perhaps you should be moderated out since a large bulk of the snark is coming from the kool-aid man (etc) and making PageLines look worse.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on Why DMS will be open source.
@etc @jancaynes It is a snarky response, "etc". I have question marks in my statements, which indicate questions, not statements. Aside from that, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and the snarkiness and subscription support sounds a lot like MarketPress and WPMU. Which is a comparison. Do you think it's good business to snark on your customers? (Note the question mark).
@webranger1962 @jancaynes I'm with ya. We're basically saying the same thing. I was surprised after paying for Framework the subscription model rolled out and support was marginal, at best after that. I should have been "grandfathered in" under the model I paid for, but that's not the new age business plan.
Probably in comparison to the global customer base, the number of complainers is small. Too small to worry about for PL (no real revenue loss) thus the surprisingly snarky responses. This sounds so much like the MarketPress and WMU responses and they're on the same subscription models - they don't seem to like their customers.
From what I read in posts and follow ups it seems the sliders and other features that I use in Framework will not be available in DMS, therefore a subscription is required? After paying for Framework, I have to say that since I didn't enroll in the subscription model, my very few inquiries for assistance have never been properly responded to. I don't see this improving with the open source, and pending a view of the open source, I may end up choosing something else simply because of the general attitude towards customers. It's a big turn off. No big deal for DMS or Pagelines, because I'm not a high priority source of revenue.
I am opposed to subscription pricing, it feels more like being held hostage than an agreeable business arrangement. This is why I abandoned MarketPress and am looking for another solution to the Wiki plugin. Monthly revenue may be good for the business budget, but it doesn't work for mine. Just my two cents.
@Air45 How did you fix it? I can't get the background colors to display either.
11 months, 4 weeks ago on Business Branding