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@SeanoIrvine That is a really good question, but I think the answer has to be that the backboard is part of the playing surface.
2 years ago on Paul’s Inbound Pass
@starkadidas And this should say "side/corner of the BACK OF THE backboard." Having a rough go this morning, heh.
@TheJerrbear1 My thought exactly. In any event, it wouldn't have continued traveling forward. Vector analysis complete.
@starkadidas Whoops. Link broke. http://on.nba.com/X29Mga
@starkadidas The inbound starts around 3:06.
Bruce Harris (@starkadidas on Twitter) thought the ball hit the side/corner of the backboard. That may be true, but it's not supported by the replay and the refs apparently disagreed with that argument. What do you guys think? http://www.nba.com/games/20130126/INDUTA/gameinfo.html?ls=iref:nbahpgt
Really enjoyed reading this. Andrei will always be one of my all-time favorites.
2 years ago on The Book on Andrei Kirilenko
2 years ago on Steve Steps Up Against Heat, Jazz Win 104-97
I solved the nickname problem last night. Gordon "Steve" Hayward.
2 years ago on Jazz Run Over Badcats...er Bobcats
@HipMrBully don't you dare speak an ill word about Big Tulip.
2 years ago on Is Tyrone Corbin As Bad A Coach As Jazz Fans Think He Is?
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey It's a double-edged sword, and that's why it's proving to be a challenge for the front office and the coaching staff.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey Right, but that argument holds true for the people you signed to be your premiere players as well.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey Lots of variables, you know?
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey That's a totally fair point, and I'm calling myself that. All I'm saying is you have to at least acknowledge the possibility that the youth might not be much better.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey That's not what I said, I said consider the possibility. Is this draw extreme conclusions day? I'm assuming that relying on the youth might not be any better than relying on the vets. That's all. Call me a pussy if you want, but if you read through all my posts here, I'm not really taking sides. I'm trying to moderate some extreme positions.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey What is your over-arching point, exactly? I'm getting bogged down in the details.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey Okay, if Lillard were here. If you want to speculate on that, go ahead. If onlys and justs were candies and nuts, then every day would be Ernte Dank Fest.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey Alright, look up stats guy, Deron was off the bench through February. He started intermittently throughout the early season when injuries allowed, and was only the named starter for the final two months, if you recall. Find any interview with D-Will when he talks about his rookie year and you'll read him saying he hated coming off the bench for Sloan to start his career.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey I have to think I would. Deron sat for a year and it lit a fire under his fat ass.
@Rafael Amarante @nallad47 Shit. Owned.
This is the last thing I'm going to say in here because I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. The point of Spencer's article isn't to suggest that Corbin is an omniscient, infallible seer. Rather, he's suggesting that Ty's methodology still doesn't have a great sample size and that it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster, so maybe we should hold off judgment at least until the end of the season.
The response to this has been, as I see it, that the Jazz might not be any worse off in terms of wins and losses if the team shifts to more playing time for Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter. However, this is problematic as it signals to other free agents in the league that the Jazz organization puts little stock in veteran presence, even when you're talking about players who annually flirt with an all-star nomination (assuming, of course, that all-stars were chosen by coaches and players rather than residents of New York and California). And, to take the extreme position that Corbin and the old guys all just get shipped out, you're left with a bunch of bench players who now have to play the top basketball talent in the league, while you rebuild your entire playbook from scratch, and have no guarantees on retaining a talented bench behind the Core Four.
There is, undeniably, truth to each theory. Playing the vets is the Jazz system, that's what keeps a certain breed of players interested in playing here, it's what keeps young talent interested in re-signing here (though perhaps not superstar talent--it's just not a big enough market). Alternately, playing the youth has the potential to keep us winning games into the future, and to keep a bunch of likely second-team players happy enough to resign when the time comes. Either path is fraught with real risk of alienating talented ball players and crippling the club.
I believe Ty and the Jazz are attempting to walk the extraordinarily narrow line between the two. This is also a risky play, and it's shown itself to be difficult. But when you're in a small market, and you are still rebuilding after two decades of a Hall of Fame coach famous for a flex offense, the most recent iteration of which featured one of the league's then-elite point guards, it's going to take time to sort things out. It seems absurd to me that either camp, old schoolers or new, would presume that only their viewpoint can be correct. I love speculating about the future of the Jazz, but adopting the attitude that a bunch of professionals know less about basketball than a bunch of white guys with laptops is inane and preposterous. Keep an open mind and work an open dialogue; I think we will all find that our ideas will play better with one another if we're willing to reflect and adjust them after debate, rather than grasping unilaterally to a starting position.
@CanadianBraeden Note that the only reasonable response here ("I agree with parts of both arguments") is the only one people aren't arguing about. I wish I had your restraint.
@nallad47 I don't suppose it's possible that the young guys look better because they're playing against benches most of their minutes while the starters are playing against the league's elite. The precedent is "starters start." Until Kanter's per 36 stats consistently show a trend towards averaging a double-double, I can deal with the status quo a little longer.
@nallad47 @JazzInJersey @Clintonite33 @parsutto Yes, these are all the reasons you should be considering when you think the team should discard all its vets and its coaching staff. And then I guess you have to ask for the front office to get gutted as well. Now it's not the Jazz anymore, and all of the "Sloan legacy" thing that keeps this tiny market team afloat is gone. That is the risk we're talking about, you guys are asking to start over from square one, and not everybody thinks that's the best way to handle things.
@nallad47 @Clintonite33 @parsutto That turned out to be a great long-term plan, right?
@Green Bean Casserole That's certainly a fair point. But the problem, as addressed today on 1280, is that if you start benching your vets, you (1) instill on the young guys coming in to replace them that they will never earn your full confidence, and (2) drive free agents away from an already tepid market. The point I've been trying to make is that you can't totally abandon the system that brings you back from an abysmal 2010-2011 season (obviously a lot more going on there than just rotations, but stick with me anyway) to the post-season because you're looking mediocre after 30 games. I don't disagree that the youth on this team shows amazing promise; I don't care for Randy Foye at all, I don't see Marvin Williams as a permanent solution, and we need help at the PG in a major way. But that doesn't mean Ty is 100% to blame, and frankly it's unlikely that we have the big man "log jam" next November regardless of trades. It would be nice to get something back on your investment in terms of Millsap and Jefferson, but it's also absurd to think there aren't lessons Kanter and Favors aren't learning by virtue of playing behind a pair of established bigs while waiting for their time to come.
@nallad47 @SpencerDurrant It would be nice for the answer for the Jazz to be an A/B option, but that's not how the world works. Gotta find balance.
@nallad47 @SpencerDurrant You're making the same mistake as Jason. Nobody is saying "the only way to win is with the vets." The point, as I read it, is that you can't say "the only way to win is with youth and a new coach" and expect people to take you seriously.
@Clintonite33 @JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant Oh and he's a Cougar fan. God save us.
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant It seems to me that you might have missed the point of this article and my comment. There are two schools of thought here, you can be shitty on purpose for a while and gamble that you're rewarded for it (via smart drafting), or you can be pretty good for a while and hope that you're rewarded for it (via smart trading). I don't get how you/the Core4 crowd refuses to acknowledge the other side of the coin.
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant I don't need to ask "anyone who knows you," I just watched you do it. Don't get all ad hominem on me. Anyway, making the playoffs is not the dumbest thing ever, it is one of two options, you are wrong, Spencer and I are right, suck it. :D
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant Also, I don't understand: what is tanking, if it's not playing your younger guys over your vets?
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant Let's not pretend you weren't implying that tanking would have been a better option than going to the playoffs. "Making the playoffs last year was probably the dumbest thing this team has done in recent memory." That means, as far as I can tell, that it was dumber than when they chose not to tank last year. Don't start switching positions and CYAing because you're getting ganged up on, guy.
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant In fact, I'd argue that luck is less of a factor when you have solid players and a winning record. With the draft, you have the luck of the draw for your order to begin with, plus the regular luck of whether a player will make it in the NBA. Further, seeing as how every player and coach in the history of the NBA has said playoff minutes ARE different than regular season minutes, I'm going to assume they are correct and you are not on that particular point. However, if you were right that the final month of last season was a "playoff mentality," then we can deduce that the young guys were able to gain a sizable amount of experience that would have been utterly lost had the Jazz tanked.
@JasonForTheLove @SpencerDurrant Yes, luck is a factor, but that's true in the draft, as well.
@JasonForTheLove @JazzInJersey Some of the fanbase, including myself, would rather see a team winning every year than risk 5 years of suck on the off-chance that we draft and develop a non-injury prone superstar, who will abandon Utah for a large market at the first opportunity. Until the league changes the salary cap and player movement, small/mid-market teams are better served remaining relevant and not rolling the dice if they don't have to. I want the Jazz to have all teh ringzzzzz as much as the next guy but I'm not sure dumping coaches every 3 years because they're winning games is the best way to do it.
"Corbin believes in going with the guys that he thinks will get him the win." This is the fundamental difference between the anti-Ty (An-Ty?) crowd and everybody else. The "Core4" folks want more wins in the future at the expense of now. Frankly I was pretty satisfied going to the playoffs at all last year and believe in the win-now methodology. Gordon ain't Kevin Durant.Good read.
@jsteinmeyer @howlintwolf Thanks for the kudos. I'm glad Andrei is having a good year with you guys and that you're having fun watching him. He's a great player and a good guy.
2 years ago on Dear Andrei
@CanadianBraeden @Clintonite33 you have not been alone in your prayers.
2 years, 1 month ago on Jazz Bags: He’s Baaaaack!
@CanadianBraeden @JazzInJersey I can't imagine the Heat possibly saying yes to this. Even if it did strengthen the team and earn more wins, the hit they'd take in ticket sales and marketing dollars would be enormous. Unless, of course, Burks puts up 20-10-6 in limited minutes a couple of games in a row. But then you probably don't want to make the trade in the first place.
2 years, 1 month ago on Promontory Sports Summit-Jazz Win 4th Straight Over Lakers; Spurs Await
Can't put Evans in the trade machine for a few more days, but we could move Jefferson and Burks for D-Wade. TOTALLY LIKELY TO HAPPEN, GUYS. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bh6wfnl
mmm, dessert rose.
2 years, 1 month ago on Utah Jazz Nation – A Nation Divided
@AdamRaymond5 Seconded. To me, Jerry is like your first serious girlfriend. You know it had to end at some point, and that it's childish to pine over something that's so irrevocably and necessarily over. But sometimes...
2 years, 2 months ago on At The Bottom