Thoughtful Analysis About the Washington Redskins
I can tell you as a 50-year Redskins fan that the name will not change no matter what the AP decides.
If the editors have not pre-concluded their decision, they will find that news publications use "Redskins" in two ways: to report developments of the Redskins football team, and to report activities of the small, but incredibly loud minority of people who claim that "Redskins" is a slur.
What they will NOT find in any publication that follows their stylebook is real news of anyone actually using the dictionary word, "redskin," to slur anyone. It is a contrived issue.
"Redskins" is a brand name quite distinct from the word in the dictionary, "redskin." The brand name is always capitalized and plural. It *only* applies to the football team and sports teams patterned after the famous NFL franchise. The AP stylebook goes to great detail on such distinctions. It recognizes that "god" and "God" are different words requiring different treatment.
Do not assume this news is a prelude to a ban. My copy of the stylebook is silent on the issue. The editors are more likely to be developing guidelines on the use redskin vs. Redskins
1 day, 2 hours ago on Conversation @ http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/ap-examining-use-redskins-nickname.html
@livewire2013 A dual threat QB is equally adept at running and passing the ball. He is not strictly a running quarterback. Young Michael Vick was a run first QB. Very effective breaking down defenses by running. He was never a great passer, thus was never a complete quarterback.
The Redskins never beat Vick when he played a complete game. We never beat Vince Young either.
A mobile QB is adept at extending plays behind the scrimmage line. They are less inclined to run past the scrimmage line. Ben Roethlisberger is the best mobile QB I can think of. He also is hard to bring down because he is so large. Brady and P. Manning are also mobile. John Elway may be the best example of a mobile QB in history.
These guys are primarily pass-first and in-sync with their O-lines when mobile.
I believed that RGIII would transform the position as a dual threat to run or pass at such high efficiency that defenses would be befuddled for years trying to counter it. He was the most feared player in football in his rookie year.
You couldn't get him to drop after getting a first down. You couldn't get him to run out of bounds. You couldn't get him to throw the ball away. You couldn't get him not to try to break tackles by players 60 lbs heavier. And you couldn't get him to shut up about his courageously stupid style of play that we all loved back them. Then Robt. got hurt and refused to play that way anymore.
The Seahawks are very successful using read option spread concepts in their offense. So were the 49ers. Those team have (had for the Niners) coaches comfortable with the concepts and how to use it. We had that with the Shanahans. We do NOT have it with Jay Gruden.
Drafting Mariota makes sense if the Redskins run read option more than Gruden is comfortable doing. If Griffin is injured again, you do not have to change the playbook by inserting Mariota. That's because Mariota has similar skills and instincts as Griffin.
Drafting Mariota makes NO sense if the idea is to take 3 years to develop him into a classic NFL pocket passer. That pick would be wasted. Gruden won't be here in three years anyway.
The NFL Draft will tell us a lot about where McCloughan and Gruden want to take the team in 2015 and '16.
Allen is still there. It is impossible to keep an owner out of decisions. I hope McCloughan helps them to make better decisions before they change HIM, as happened to Gibbs, Shanahan and Schottenheimer. Well, Schottie refused to change and was fired.
1 week, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@livewire2013 It's NFL Lying Season. The Redskins could be as serious about this as "interest" in Suh and Crabtree. They could be playing the Jets into a trade-up scenario. Or there could be genuine interest.
The point of this article is that there is an advantage to Drafting Mariota if --IF -- the coach deployed RGIII and MM as dual threats in a similar offense. GRUDEN is the limiting factor. I don't believe him to be capable of such nimble thinking. (I do hope I am wrong about that..)
RG was the most feared man in football when he played as a dual threat. Controversy came when both he and they wanted to convert to a classic pocket passer like Andy Dalton or Kirk Cousins.
The pick is wasted if Gruden pushes RG and Mariota to be a pure pocket passer.
Finally, McCloughan says he will Draft the best talent available regardless of position. So why not Mariota? There is much to be said for drafting strength on strength. It gives a team identity and personality. And if the Redskins see QB as a need, why not Mariota?
Drafting for need is to average up an already average roster. NO NFL GM admits to drafting to need. I can't wait to see how McCloughan manages this.
2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@dreadpirateroberts I'd like to hear the answer to that, too.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
"The players are on record as opposing any change to the age limit...."
That makes any such rule pointless. The NFL PA's agreement to age limits as part the the labor contract makes it legal in pro football. If the NBA union does not go along, pro basketball won't be moved by Jim Delaney's angst.
High schoolers who see themselves as immediate NBA material will self- filter away from the NCAA, and good riddance. Colleges could adapt by recruiting athletes who truly want to be students. They already do a pretty good job at this. A Rule is more consistent than individual policies by schools, which may be why the Big Ten is sniffing around this.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thestudentsection/2015-articles/freshmen-ineligibility-and-the-business-of-college-basketball.html
@joeyjust4u2 Hey, I share your outrage. Just understand that the point of this post is that people outside of the Redskins have a low regard for our team's talent because they lose so often. Thus, it masks the true talent of some of our players.
In the Snyder era, the Redskins have had the talent to win 7-8 games on a consistent basis. It took TWO seasons for them to put their last seven wins together. Result? Ryan Kerrigan, DeSean Jackson and Keenan Robinson snubbed for post-season recognition.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
Thank you for this story.
You did not mention Joe Gibbs as a member of the Hall of Fame. As a Redskins fan, I am bored with mention of the three different quarterbacks thing. The Redskins always had the Hogs, the finest O-line in its day and still a top five unit in NFL history. It kept getting better and better until the superlative 1991 version that was so great that even Mark Rypien could win a Super Bowl. (I am NOT knocking Ryp, but praising the Hogs.)
If a fan was born after 1980, they have no first hand recollection of the Redskins being a good team, assuming young fans start to pay attention to such things around age 12. In the '90s, the 'Skins contended with aging players, salary cap issues, a constricting ownership (old Jack Kent Cooke left the team to a charity upon his death) and disappointing Draft picks. The 2K teams featured Dan Snyder, the most laughed at owner in the league. Schottenheimer, Gibbs and Shanaha could'n turn this puppy around.
Put it all together and you've got a forgotten dynasty.
2 months ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2015-articles/the-washington-redskins-and-their-forgotten-dynasty.html
These are good points, but one cannot reach the conclusion without weighing the cost. Sam Bradford is not worth the value of his contract. Andrew Luck is a bargain on the rookie pay scale in the new CBA. (The owners won the Lockout War, you know. That's why Roger Goodell keeps his job.)
The rookie scale is why Cleveland can take a risk on Johnny Manziel and not feel pressure to start him immediately, or ever again. Moving up in the Draft to select a QB is risky value proposition. Careers are ruined if it does not work.
A certain QB from a Florida school who has yet to reach emotional maturity may be THE first player selected in 2015. Even on the rookie scale, he may be overpaid.
2 months ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2015-articles/quarterbacks-are-no-longer-worth-an-early-draft-gamble.html
How much longer will ESPN make us wait for an 8-team playoff? Lets get this done.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/new-years-six-scores-espn.html
@rdsknzfan Thanks for reading and commenting. The touchdown reversal was a blow, but did not affect the ultimate outcome for the reason already stated. The Redskins managed a lone field goal in the second half. The final score would have been 24-20 Giants if RG's touchdown stood up. No amount of bitterness at the call changes that fact.
You don't have to be a hater to acknowledge that. The name if this blog is not "I Hate Redskins Hog Heaven." If you knew the amount of money I spent on Redskins stuff in five decades of following this team, or the amount of time I spend defending the team name, You would know how far off base you are.
Bad calls happen in games. It's part of the drama of sports. Coaches tell players all the time that the way to overcome bad calls is to play so that it does not make a difference. Play through it.
The Redskins closed the half with the lead. They could have answered score for score to win. They could have stopped Odell Beckham. They, including the coach, could have kept their heads like professionals with that call instead of losing their minds and giving the Giants a gift of field position.
So many ways the Redskins could have turned the game to their advantage, but did not. I certainly HOPE they did not fixate on the score reversal -- as some fans are right now -- instead of fixating on the next play. Because if that's what happened, we are in worse shape than any of us thought.
I hate that.
3 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@Tom Jackson Frankly, the Redskins can learn A LOT, from the Eagles and Ravens about running a football operation. I keep hoping they will pick up the phone. I keep getting kicked in the face.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
College football might be a purer form of competition than pro football, but both are forms of sports entertainment. So lets not blame the selection committee is for looking at the whole range of factors for compelling match-ups. Bowl committees have done that since Bowls were invented.
I think the Selection Committee did a great job overall. I prefer human thinking to metrics and I trust that the committee was more thorough in ranking the Top 25 than AP reporters and coaches. I never believed that reporters and coaches looked at every game of every team they ranked. This is a better process.
The real issue is that only four teams get to play off. I think it should be eight. Then TCU and Baylor would be in. The Nos. 9 and 10 teams would grouse, but every conference champion would be in and maybe a team from whatever we now call the mid-majors.
More compelling games. More people watching. More opportunity to sell sponsored playoff bowls. More money for the conferences. What could go wrong?
Are they really going to make us wait 10 years to get to that?
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thestudentsection/2014/college-football-injustices-tcu-and-baylor-dont-rank-highly-on-the-list-but-they-reflect-a-longstanding-problem-in-college-football.html
Meh. Finished this story and pushed the "Publish" button just when I heard that guy refer to this event during the Seahawks-Eagles game.
More proof that the Big XII needs a championship game.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thesportsdaily.net/art-briles-rips-big-12-commissioner-video/
@vwjpb Hello, Fellow Spartan. I walk around East Lansing back in 19 Long-ago when out-of-state tuition was affordable. Thank you for commenting.
I cannot disagree with anything you've said. I prefer that Griffin and Gruden and that Gruden and the front office work things out. Things may be too toxic for that to happen, I know.
I tell my readers that Kirk never performed for the Spartans as he has here. Kirk won games in East Lansing. Even Coach Dantonio would not have given him as many chances as Gruden did. Kirk is better than that. He needs a fresh start, but his rookie contract makes it hard to release him. Colt McCoy makes a higher veteran salary and his contract is over this year. The Redskins must sweeten his deal AND offer him a legit chance to start to keep him. Thus, Kirk may be trapped here until the end of his rookie contract in 2015.
Robert Griffin III is a dual threat quarterback. Dual Threat! He needs to remember there ARE options in read options other than he. He does not need to run 74 yards as he did against the Vikings. 7.4 yards for a first down is just as good. Getting the ball in the hands of other playmakers is just as good.
But it takes a coach that believes in Robert and believes in that offense. That guy is now the OC in Cleveland after Robert pouted him off the team. More proof that karma is a B.
My patience is not tested. Done with DISH for this very reason.
3 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://awfulannouncing.com/
@dreadpirateroberts @SkinsHogHeaven Remains to be seen. I hope so.
4 months ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@dreadpirateroberts And a Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
The big noise in this discussion is about the ONE QB on the roster that never had to **earn** his starting slot. The big question about his future is whether he has the mental toughness to equal adversity and fight his way back.
RG can do it. I hope he does. More than anyone else, he made it uncertain that he will.
@saveelati Your note intrigued me, so I went to the Hate Watch site by the Southern Poverty Law Center and searched by he name of the article, the name of the author, the name of this blog, the terms "Indian," and "redskin." I could not find links from there to here, nor any comments about this story.
Help me out by providing a link here.
By the way, I am old enough to have experienced and to had seen old school racism against African-Americans. I do not need an academic study to know the difference between real bigotry and the way the football team and others market themselves. The Washington Redskins have never used the team name as an expression of social policy or the devaluation of anyone. It's why Redskins fans, who include Native Americans, do not get the point of the argument.
In this story, a Native American woman, Ms. Davidson, argues that the removal of Native American sport images ls leading to the removal of Native Americans from popular culture and that the worst offenders are non-Native education officials who reject Tribal leaders pleading to keep Indian-oriented team names at their own schools on Tribal lands. She has a problem with that and so do I.
If the folks at Hate Watch read the story with any insight, I am sure they would agree that there is an argument even if they reach another conclusion.
4 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@172 Flyer Shanahan gave Snyder little choice, but the feud between the two most important employees in the company should never have gone that far without the owner intervening.
We have gone through six coaching changes with Snyder, which gets to your point -- the mismatch of carryover players to new coaches. Firing people is the worst solution. Thanks for commenting.
@jackthezombiekiller Hard to say how this will play out, but I am not there yet. It's also hard to respond when McCoy and Cousins have more wins than Griffin this year.
How did you guys miss out on the trade for Harvin?
Wait. What? Oh. Well, never mind.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://purplejesusdiaries.com/2014-articles/acting-cordial-talking-vikings-vs-bills-with-buffalo-wins.html
@dreadpirateroberts The coach said something similar. I gather the team was overly impressed by its good showing in Philadelphia.
5 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
You almost make this Spartans grad feel sorry for you. Almost.
I shall stifle the lol, though.
6 months ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thestudentsection/
South Park promoted Cousins to starter in place of Griffin. Perhaps he is not second tier. He is a pop culture star.
6 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://ultimatenyg.com/2014-articles/sept/redskins-preview.html
You guys never disappoint.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://purplejesusdiaries.com/
@carlbrown12345 I cannot dispute your analysis. When Shanahan schemed an offense RG could run, we saw the read option, a lot of cut back runs by Morris, a playoff appearance and Griffin was the reason the team won. Gruden showed us a safe scheme. RG was not the reason the Redskins lost, but neither he nor the scheme led to a comeback. Just sayin'.
Which brings us to, "Be careful what you wish for. It might come true."
6 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@ReGinaJZuni Hello ReGina. This topic is about the trademark of a sports team. All comments from all parties are welcome. I also accept the All-American One Drop Rule as articulated by Thomas Jefferson and others, to wit, if you have any ancestry that is not European, then you are not Caucasian. You are whatever that one drop is.
I am satisfied that Mr, Yancey has as much NA ancestry as Ray Haltritter or Elizabeth Warren who both have made their thoughts plain. Is there a dispute with what Mark wrote in this story?
@dreadpirateroberts Reader contributions are always welcome. My email is firstname.lastname@example.org. Send your story to me there. The preferred format is .doc.
I have been punching back since 2012. That is like bringing a squirt gun to a fire hose fight.So I hope you are taking the time to respond, responsibly, to blasts from the changers that are published through the media. The Washington Newspaper (see what I did there) does not publish balanced telling of this story, although they seem to think that they are. So, the more commentary in more places than here helps.
7 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
Posted because the topic was timely and mentioned Mark Sanchez instead of Kirk Cousins. Everybody, perhaps including RGIII, seems too anxious to trade Cousins. However, a team interested in acquiring a veteran quarterback would do it at the beginning of the league year in February so their man can start studying the playbook and work with the coaches by OTAs. 'Plug and play' works for PCs, not for quarterbacks acquired in the middle of training camp.
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@BrandonWing @firegecko Except that Redskins fans would never do that. "Redskins" is so revered a term that we only apply it to players on the team, or to fans of the team at a game when they are wearing a Redskins jersey. I am the 'Redskin' in any such conversation.
Redskins, the brand, is about football and only about football, never about real people. The word most used to slur Native Americans is "Indian." Used in a sentence, "The only good Indian...."
I am a Redskins fan. In your hypothetical case: 1. Walk into an Indian casino. 2. Look for a Native American worker because very few Native Americans work in Indian casinoes. 3. Call him by his or her name as shown on their name badge, because that's what people do. Why would expect otherwise unless you have bigoted, stereotypical views of Redskins fans? 4. Wait for their reaction that I expect will be, "How may I help you, sir." 5. Ask for chips because ... casino.
7 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/
7 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/colin-cowherd-just-might-be-worse-than-skip-bayless.html
@SteveSmith15 Thank you for your comment. It was very informative.
The question is, How many people know this? If they are aware of Catlin, how many have viewed his work? (I will). The answer is few and fewer. You would not have had the opportunity to speak of this except that it revolves around an NFL team. Then it is around about the team and not really about the people, which is the point we make about sports team mascots.
If Daniel Snyder caved on this a year ago, Native American history and issues would have disappeared from popular conversation then.
7 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@aprilwalker14 I really do believe it had more to do with the $10.4 million owed to him this season than any other thing. Would have kept him at $6 million.
Gotta pinch them pennies, you know.
8 months ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@dreadpirateroberts It does not carry more weight, but the lengthy story in The Post (of course) will have wide circulation.
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@StudleyDudley131 I will allow that they are the exceptions that prove the rule.
There was a time you LOVED Chris Kluwe. Admit it.
But, (or butt) I question the propriety of using the word "asshole" in sensitive story like this one.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://purplejesusdiaries.com/
@aprilwalker14 Guess I am a tad out of touch, April. What did he say?
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@aprilwalker14 Amen, sister. Amen.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@aprilwalker14 Always appreciate your comments, April.
@fgoodwin You might be older than I am! Thank you for the clarification and references.
The main point remains, however. G.P. Marshall hated seen LeBaron in a Cowboys uniform however that came to be. It partly explains his animus towards the Cowboys. Fans have bought into it since the 1960's, well before George Allen came to the Redskins and took the rivalry to another level.
9 months ago on Redskins rivalry with Cowboys didn't start with George Allen
Sure. Listen to the Cowboy. Emmett is wrong about that anyway. The people whipped up in this hysteria would only see that suggestion as a half measure and bash Snyder even more. Neutrals would say, "If you change part of the name, why not all of it?" Pressure on the team would go up, not down. Just go count your rings, Emmett.
9 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thesportsdaily.net/emmitt-smith-on-redskins-name-change-drop-the-red-and-keep-the-skins/
@ImNotYourMascot I imply no such thing (duly enrolled in a federally recognized Native American Indian tribe in this country). I do not confuse registration with ancestry. I am satisfied that One Wolf is as authentically Native as Ray Halbritter.
Hog Heaven does not have tests of racial or registration purity before contributors or respondents may make a point.
More to the point is that I, as a Redskins fan and history buff, have described the origin of the word. My work was clinical. One Wolf's was eloquent. I need that to counter some of the canard published by Esquire.com and others.
If you can point out factual errors in the post about the source and meaning of "redskin" to counter what One Wolf wrote, I would love to read it here.
9 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
@joebobbean And your response is exactly appropriate if you oppose the name.
@ImNotYourMascot And your point is...?
Wish I wrote this. Good points.
You do repeat one error often seen in this controversy, confusion in the use of the word "redskin" and "Redskins." One word is disputably a slur. The other is a brand of a football team. The word in the dictionary is "redskin." The dictionary says that word is sometimes used to disparage real people.
"The Redskins(r)" is a brand of football entertainment. It is not and has never been used to disparage real people. The brand is always presented with Capital R and is always plural. Spelling is how to tell the difference.
The word in the dictionary fell into such disuse in the 20th-Century, that the brand name "Redskins" was all most people saw in print and why it has come to mean a sports team and ONLY a sports team.
When people slurred Native Americans they used all the words in place that described them including the common variation of Indian (rhymes with "engine") and variations of the n-word, prairie n-word and red n-word.
Critics will say I am splitting hairs, but the difference is as enormous as "god" and "God." These are not the same word and, when properly used, are not interchangeable. The Redskins(r) is not interchangeable with redskin.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on True Lies and the Washington Redskins
@washingtonfan When one is speaking of the Washington Redskins football team, one says The Redskins. The Redskins are about football and only about football. When one is speaking of real people, one says Native American.
Sports fans get it that mascots reflect the team and not real people. A Native American Redskins fan told me that.
The word that may be a slur is "redskin." The brand is "The Redskins(r)." Trademark owners, not dictionaries, get to define the meaning of the brand when applied to their line of business. Spelling and punctuation are how to tell them apart. The difference is as meaningful as god and God. Spelled the same. Pronounced the same, but they are not the same word.
10 months ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/
Those hog trough urinals were the best crowd movement feature at the Metrodome. I've visited many NFL stadiums with the conventional one-man-one-pot urinals. The back-up queue had the bladder-bursting potential of inhibiting timely passage of filtered beer. Hog troughs, however, allow more men to stand cheek to cheek, so to speak, in the best tradition of Man Rule No. 1: Eyes straight ahead or straight down.
I hope to see improved hog troughs in your billion dollar New Vikings Stadium (pending naming rights) and something similar for the women. Every time I see a line of women waiting to enter the Ladies Room, I think the Lord He made me a man.
10 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://purplejesusdiaries.com/2014-articles/buy-a-vikings-pot-to-piss-in.html
Super Bowl 1992. Good times!
10 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://purplejesusdiaries.com/
@dcunlimited "Robert" Sherman is clearly the product of incomplete editing. thanks for pointing it out.
10 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://redskinshogheaven.com/