JansonRoberts
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Injuries can make or break anyone's season. Especially the number of injuries and the positional players that Missouri had go down.
Being from the south, I for one have no problem with Mizzou coming to the SEC. Actually once A&M was announced as #13, I thought at that time that Mizzou was the best team out there to bring in as #14. Mizzou met every item that the SEC had on their list and then some. Having a less then stellar season out the gate doesn't change my mind when viewed for what it was, an unfortunate season with unbelievable injuries. I really am impressed to see some investments that MU are making in their program. I am very interested to see how MU/Pinkel addresses recruiting challenges and what adjustments can be made on the defense. I would not worry too much MU fans in regards to the offense. Mizzou has a proven system on offense. The real difference between the Big 12 and the SEC is on the defensive side of the ball. 1 season does not show squat. Ask Saban how his first year at LSU or his frist year at Bama went for him. Sure it is disappointing to have a set back, but what you want to see is adjustments being made and investments being made to strengthen those areas that show up. What fans should not do is bicker and badmouth the program in the transition. It hurts recruiting and distracts current players and faculty from giving their best for the program.
Welcome Mizzou.
Go Dawgs.UGA
The ACC will not implode tomorrow even if UVA and Ga. Tech were to annouce they were leaving for the B1G. The current political landscape in the ACC of course is weak but don't belive that it will crumble with 2 more defections. And while I can understand that FSU would not add much value in regards to adding any new footprint in and of itself, after reading what Spetman has said, I can see that Spetman may be going on record that FSU is in a position of bringing value to the SEC.......value in bringing the 2 states that the SEC is wanting to add to its footprint, Virginia and North Carolina. It is going to take the defection of more than UVA and Ga Tech to bring the ACC to a boil. FSU could be the catalyst. Question is, after UVA and Tech go, would FSU be enough or would it take FSU and Clemson to topple the conferecne. How badly does the SEC want the states of Virginia and North Carolina? Seriously consider the politics of the North Carolina University system. Duke is not a factor. We are talking UNC and NCST. UNC will not be leaving until it is clear that the ACC is finished . NCST can't go anywhere until UNC reaches out. Only way it will happen will be for the ACC to topple. We are not going to see FSU leaving for the Big 12 or B1G unless the implosion comes from a different front. There are no other realistic fronts that makes better cents (sense). Spetman seems to be laying the path for what FSU would rather have. The value of FSU to the SEC may be far more complex than adding a new tv market or adding to the network footprint, if in fact FSU is the pathway to bringing the SEC the 2 states it is wanting so badly.
It is a get read. Everything points to the fact that the ACC can't get a break from anyone. Espn doesn't seem to be throwing any life lines yet, and with the current landscape, I don't see any of the other Power cinferences willing to throw any their way either. ND maybe thought they could give the ACC the stability it needed but at this point, that hasn't been enough to give any real strength to the ACC. Time will tell. I had thought that the SEC might decide to throw some type of alliance to the ACC just to keep the status quo as is especially if the SEC really wanted to slowdown any further movement.
@Roggespierre @j_scott_o @zschroeder
If anyone had told me 2 or 3 years ago that maybe the SEC should consider Pitt, I would have fallen out laughing so hard my sides would hurt. But today, I hate to admit it but Pitt would realy bring alot to the table. in terms of $$
UNC and NCST are ran by the same board of regents I believe. Because of the way those 2 schools are run, I don't see NCST being able to leave the ACC for the SEC without UNC moving out of the ACC. A few UNC friends that I have spoken with tell me the only way UNC moves at all would be because 6 or more other current schools leave the ACC. They also tell me that the lower academic standards in the SEC would keep UNC and Duke from ever joining with the SEC. UNC and Duke would only consider the B1G as any alternetive to the ACC at this point. If UNC does not leave the ACC the SEC will be hard pressed to get NCST due to the system in which the North Carolina schools are run. Of course reality is that fans of UNC do not make decisions so what a few friends tell me amounts to nothing in the real world.
@AllTideUp @JRsec @cjhadley @vp81955
Personally, you have to swap Georgia for Duke because Georgia is not going to give up the Florida or South Carolina annual game and with the swap it can still keep Auburn as its permanent rival
But that is only IMO.
I agree. There has been too much water The SEC would not allow the LHN any consideration period. It is a good read but i can't see the Presidents of the SEC schools giving any real merit or consideration to such a plan. The expansion that has happened in the SEC has been a deliberate and well planned sequence. IF there is going to be any further expansion within the SEC, the State of Virginia and the State of North Carolina are going to be the only focus. I still believe that 16 is a real number that is viable in any future "plan" of expansion for the SEC. Beyond that I still don't see the SEC going any further west unless there were just no other options to consider in the south or eastern bounderies.
Everyone else is wanting to come to our neck of the woods and I just dont see any benefit going west or midwest with what the SEC has in its grasp now.
Of all the different paths that COULD happen, I think this is a more realistic path to 16 teams in the SEC. I have been hearing VT and NCST would be the real targets all the way back to A&M joining up. That being said, IF the ACC were to start to crumble and IF UNC and DUKE for whatever reason did not want to go north to the B1G, I am fairly confident that the SEC would be more than happy to pull out a chair at the conference table for both of those teams. But the easiest path to get to 16 is still VT and NCST as far as getting the States of Virginia and North Carolina represented in the SEC.
@SouthernBoiSB @edelswick @mowens75
ah ok, well personally, I see Wake, Syracuse and Boston College probably looking for a home if the Big Bang were to happen. They rest are going to be jockeying for the money and "fit" that matches their best interest.
Worse case for the SEC, UVA an UNC / Duke go to the B1G. VT and NCST come to the SEC.....Do these 2 schools give the SEC the end game in terms of markets? Do they "pay" for themselves? If the projections for the SEC are realistic at 30 to 35 million per school with the upcoming network and TV contract, what 2 , 4 , 6 teams could bring the best value? Are there 6 schools that have been reported in this series that are " available" that could bring actual value at 30 or 35 million?
@SouthernBoiSB @edelswick @mowens75
I don't think we will see the BE bb schools merging with the ACC. I think the BE bb schools would probably be willing but the ACC schools won't go that route. Primarily FSU, Clemson and VT are not going to allow those BE bb only schools to join. If 2 schools in the ACC were to announce next week that they are leaving next year for the B1G or the SEC, you would see within 2 weeks an announcement form the ACC of 2 replacements coming from the BE. It may be a couple of the new BE schools that have not even started play in the BE yet, but that is what we will see. 2, 4 or 6. The ACC would be reactive by adding replacements as fast as they could get the papers signed from the new potential members.
The ACC has lost its ability to work from a point of strength. They can only react now as things unfold.
that has been my personal thought as well but as this drags on, I feel it is going to be difficult to make things happen in time for 2014. It hinges on the Maryland / ACC exit fee lawsuit. Keep your ears open and eyes peeled for anything coming out on this.
PS....My personal thought is that the longer the ACC drag out the lawsuit, the harder their case will be. It is already getting to be a stretch for the ACC to show / prove damages caused by Maryland. No one is making less this year or next. Actually, with Lousiville reaching a BCS, it hurts the ACC's case even more.
Whoa, # 1 will have to be answered by someone with alot of knowledge of North Carolina LAW since that is the sate that the suit was filed. The latest is that the Attorney General is trying to get the suit dismissed. There are too many rules and I can't imagine there being a law or rule that says there has to be a predetermined date for hearing this suit. Again, I am not the one to answer thi question.
#2 I can give my opinion. If the SCC waits (drags this out) A. it doesn't make them any stronger. It may delay movement but it doesn't add any stability or strengthen their position. Their Position is a week TV contract. ESPN is not making any consessions or bending an ear in any form toward the ACC yet. At the same time, The B1G is projection fat pay outs as is the SEC. What hurts the ACC is regards to the SEC is that there are in state rivaling schools and in bordering schools that have to read the reportings of the pay out projections soon to be coming to the SEC. the FSU's and the Clemson's are not going to be happy sitting still in a lesser postion making less money while their in state rivals are moving up and out (of reach) The football schools are going to rumble the most, and the Basketball schools can bluster but the truth is, history will show that they are not in a good position. I don't think we would see a time bomb effect in the ACC. I think we will see a greenlight for 2 to 4 teams up front. If the B1G and the SEC could reach 16 by gaining their objective then we could actually see a halt for awhile but I just don't see how the SEC reaches 16 while meeting their objectives without going over to 18 or 20. Time will not help the ACC in the long run but it will delay the end game. If you are pro expansion, time is definately not your friend.
@edelswick @mowens75 @SouthernBoiSB
I have no doubt that if 2 or 4 schools jump from the ACC that there would be an immediate replacement school named to replace those leaving. It was done in the Big East time and time again as the ACC poached through that conference. 2 factors here, first) no one wants to be left out so while there a few that would lag back, they will not take the chance if there is 4 or more teams leaving the ACC. Second ) the gap in pay out money projected in the B1G and the SEC from that of the ACC will not be ignored from any of those ACC schools.
It doesn't appear that the ACC lawsuit will be forthcoming any time in the immediate future. There seems to be a little jockeying back and forth between Maryoand and the ACC currently, but what a few Maryland friends have told me, there is no movement to rush the lawsuit. I could see the ACC trying to drag the suit out for as long as possible with all the rumors and different reports floating about the ACC and its teams possibly leaving. I really think there will be no movement that brings anyone into the SEC for the 2014 season. Could be wrong, but that window is closing very fast. What we could see is some late movement that would identify one or two teams in 2014 that would be coming into membership for the 2015 season. I would not be surprised if we are looking at the 2016 season as the BIG BANG year though. With everything that we have read here, I think the ACC teams that are targeted by the SEC are not set to pull any triggers in the current landscape. If we were looking to Clemson or FSU, yese they would jump the minute the Maryland exit fee settlement hit the airways. But those 2 schools will have to wait for their movement. I think North Carolina schools will wait until there is no chance of staying in a viable ACC before making any moves. So we could be in for a longer bang than we are anticipating. GT and UVA could be the first, but are they enough to tip the cart? I am not so sure just yet. If the SEC were to take FSU and Clemson at the same time UVA and GT were to leave for the B1G, that would do the deed, but again, I am not sure that Slive makes that move until he has VT and some application in hand from a North Carolina school ( it would have to be either UNC or NCST or any combo of either of these 2 plus Duke. It will either be 16 teams or 20 teams. I know 18 is doable, but it is not the premium equation that 16 or 20 can give. If it is 20 teams, look for FSU and Pittsburg to be in serious consideration regardless of double dipping (FSU) or geography (PITT). Without the upcoming network, I could see the SEC standing pat at 14 for 10 years plus but the markets that could be gained are too ripe and the unstability of the ACC will never be more uncertain than it is right now.
Texas A&M and Missouri were both supposed to pay 90 % each of their TV revenue as the exit fee which last year was reported to have been in the 30 million dollar mark each. But they were both able to negotiate down to just under the 13 million mark. I think nebraska and Colorado also negotiated out of the full exit fee amount as well. But I know A&M and Missouri got out without paying the full amount.
@SouthernBoiSB @DanHogan @JRsec
As a Georgia fan, without thinking into it too much, I would say UGA, UF, UNC and UVA :) Recruiting is my reasoning and NO ONE is going to break up the annual "world's largest cocktail party"
Georgia recruits alot in North Carolina and I would love to get an annual presence in NC to help us pull more. But again, this is my own preference. Half of the fans will disagree with this pod collection.
@SouthernBoiSB @DanHogan @JRsec
As a Mississippi resident for many years, the first thing that would happen if MSU and Miss were separated would be that the Mississippi legislature would pass something requiring those 2 schools play every year. I don't know about Bama / Auburn but probably the same thing. I do agree that at 16 or higher you have to go pods. There was so much belly aching from the B1G fans when Rutgers and Maryland were introduced as #13 and #14. Wait until 15 and 16 are introduced in the SEC and the new pod system is announced. The stacks of cash will mellow those University Presdients, but the fans are going to loose it when this goes down.
@SouthernBoiSB @DanHogan @JRsec
Got to wonder if the Presidents of those 5 schools haven't already broached the subject of pods and how it will affect their traditional rivalries.
I was told that an ACC member has a 1 year notice it has to give before it can leave but I have not seen anything in writing that details length of time. I know the Big East had a 27 month waiting period before a school could leave. Of course West Virginia didn't wait 27 months, but I believe Pitt and Syracuse have been on the 27 month wait period. Due to scheduling, I would think that a member of the ACC wanting to leave for the 2014 football season, would have to give notice by the start of football this year in order to leave for the start of football next year.Maybe someone else has the answer to that. I wonder if the ACC can drag out the Maryland exit fee lawsuit for 6 months or more to slow down any possible defections from any other members.