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Injuries can make or break anyone's season. Especially the number of injuries and the positional players that Missouri had go down.
Being from the south, I for one have no problem with Mizzou coming to the SEC. Actually once A&M was announced as #13, I thought at that time that Mizzou was the best team out there to bring in as #14. Mizzou met every item that the SEC had on their list and then some. Having a less then stellar season out the gate doesn't change my mind when viewed for what it was, an unfortunate season with unbelievable injuries. I really am impressed to see some investments that MU are making in their program. I am very interested to see how MU/Pinkel addresses recruiting challenges and what adjustments can be made on the defense. I would not worry too much MU fans in regards to the offense. Mizzou has a proven system on offense. The real difference between the Big 12 and the SEC is on the defensive side of the ball. 1 season does not show squat. Ask Saban how his first year at LSU or his frist year at Bama went for him. Sure it is disappointing to have a set back, but what you want to see is adjustments being made and investments being made to strengthen those areas that show up. What fans should not do is bicker and badmouth the program in the transition. It hurts recruiting and distracts current players and faculty from giving their best for the program.
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The ACC will not implode tomorrow even if UVA and Ga. Tech were to annouce they were leaving for the B1G. The current political landscape in the ACC of course is weak but don't belive that it will crumble with 2 more defections. And while I can understand that FSU would not add much value in regards to adding any new footprint in and of itself, after reading what Spetman has said, I can see that Spetman may be going on record that FSU is in a position of bringing value to the SEC.......value in bringing the 2 states that the SEC is wanting to add to its footprint, Virginia and North Carolina. It is going to take the defection of more than UVA and Ga Tech to bring the ACC to a boil. FSU could be the catalyst. Question is, after UVA and Tech go, would FSU be enough or would it take FSU and Clemson to topple the conferecne. How badly does the SEC want the states of Virginia and North Carolina? Seriously consider the politics of the North Carolina University system. Duke is not a factor. We are talking UNC and NCST. UNC will not be leaving until it is clear that the ACC is finished . NCST can't go anywhere until UNC reaches out. Only way it will happen will be for the ACC to topple. We are not going to see FSU leaving for the Big 12 or B1G unless the implosion comes from a different front. There are no other realistic fronts that makes better cents (sense). Spetman seems to be laying the path for what FSU would rather have. The value of FSU to the SEC may be far more complex than adding a new tv market or adding to the network footprint, if in fact FSU is the pathway to bringing the SEC the 2 states it is wanting so badly.
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It is a get read. Everything points to the fact that the ACC can't get a break from anyone. Espn doesn't seem to be throwing any life lines yet, and with the current landscape, I don't see any of the other Power cinferences willing to throw any their way either. ND maybe thought they could give the ACC the stability it needed but at this point, that hasn't been enough to give any real strength to the ACC. Time will tell. I had thought that the SEC might decide to throw some type of alliance to the ACC just to keep the status quo as is especially if the SEC really wanted to slowdown any further movement.
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@Roggespierre @j_scott_o @zschroeder
If anyone had told me 2 or 3 years ago that maybe the SEC should consider Pitt, I would have fallen out laughing so hard my sides would hurt. But today, I hate to admit it but Pitt would realy bring alot to the table. in terms of $$
UNC and NCST are ran by the same board of regents I believe. Because of the way those 2 schools are run, I don't see NCST being able to leave the ACC for the SEC without UNC moving out of the ACC. A few UNC friends that I have spoken with tell me the only way UNC moves at all would be because 6 or more other current schools leave the ACC. They also tell me that the lower academic standards in the SEC would keep UNC and Duke from ever joining with the SEC. UNC and Duke would only consider the B1G as any alternetive to the ACC at this point. If UNC does not leave the ACC the SEC will be hard pressed to get NCST due to the system in which the North Carolina schools are run. Of course reality is that fans of UNC do not make decisions so what a few friends tell me amounts to nothing in the real world.
@AllTideUp @JRsec @cjhadley @vp81955
Personally, you have to swap Georgia for Duke because Georgia is not going to give up the Florida or South Carolina annual game and with the swap it can still keep Auburn as its permanent rival
But that is only IMO.
I agree. There has been too much water The SEC would not allow the LHN any consideration period. It is a good read but i can't see the Presidents of the SEC schools giving any real merit or consideration to such a plan. The expansion that has happened in the SEC has been a deliberate and well planned sequence. IF there is going to be any further expansion within the SEC, the State of Virginia and the State of North Carolina are going to be the only focus. I still believe that 16 is a real number that is viable in any future "plan" of expansion for the SEC. Beyond that I still don't see the SEC going any further west unless there were just no other options to consider in the south or eastern bounderies.
Everyone else is wanting to come to our neck of the woods and I just dont see any benefit going west or midwest with what the SEC has in its grasp now.
@JRsec @The regular guy
Of all the different paths that COULD happen, I think this is a more realistic path to 16 teams in the SEC. I have been hearing VT and NCST would be the real targets all the way back to A&M joining up. That being said, IF the ACC were to start to crumble and IF UNC and DUKE for whatever reason did not want to go north to the B1G, I am fairly confident that the SEC would be more than happy to pull out a chair at the conference table for both of those teams. But the easiest path to get to 16 is still VT and NCST as far as getting the States of Virginia and North Carolina represented in the SEC.
@SouthernBoiSB @edelswick @mowens75
ah ok, well personally, I see Wake, Syracuse and Boston College probably looking for a home if the Big Bang were to happen. They rest are going to be jockeying for the money and "fit" that matches their best interest.
2 years, 2 months ago on Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 4)
Worse case for the SEC, UVA an UNC / Duke go to the B1G. VT and NCST come to the SEC.....Do these 2 schools give the SEC the end game in terms of markets? Do they "pay" for themselves? If the projections for the SEC are realistic at 30 to 35 million per school with the upcoming network and TV contract, what 2 , 4 , 6 teams could bring the best value? Are there 6 schools that have been reported in this series that are " available" that could bring actual value at 30 or 35 million?
I don't think we will see the BE bb schools merging with the ACC. I think the BE bb schools would probably be willing but the ACC schools won't go that route. Primarily FSU, Clemson and VT are not going to allow those BE bb only schools to join. If 2 schools in the ACC were to announce next week that they are leaving next year for the B1G or the SEC, you would see within 2 weeks an announcement form the ACC of 2 replacements coming from the BE. It may be a couple of the new BE schools that have not even started play in the BE yet, but that is what we will see. 2, 4 or 6. The ACC would be reactive by adding replacements as fast as they could get the papers signed from the new potential members.
The ACC has lost its ability to work from a point of strength. They can only react now as things unfold.
that has been my personal thought as well but as this drags on, I feel it is going to be difficult to make things happen in time for 2014. It hinges on the Maryland / ACC exit fee lawsuit. Keep your ears open and eyes peeled for anything coming out on this.
PS....My personal thought is that the longer the ACC drag out the lawsuit, the harder their case will be. It is already getting to be a stretch for the ACC to show / prove damages caused by Maryland. No one is making less this year or next. Actually, with Lousiville reaching a BCS, it hurts the ACC's case even more.
Whoa, # 1 will have to be answered by someone with alot of knowledge of North Carolina LAW since that is the sate that the suit was filed. The latest is that the Attorney General is trying to get the suit dismissed. There are too many rules and I can't imagine there being a law or rule that says there has to be a predetermined date for hearing this suit. Again, I am not the one to answer thi question.
#2 I can give my opinion. If the SCC waits (drags this out) A. it doesn't make them any stronger. It may delay movement but it doesn't add any stability or strengthen their position. Their Position is a week TV contract. ESPN is not making any consessions or bending an ear in any form toward the ACC yet. At the same time, The B1G is projection fat pay outs as is the SEC. What hurts the ACC is regards to the SEC is that there are in state rivaling schools and in bordering schools that have to read the reportings of the pay out projections soon to be coming to the SEC. the FSU's and the Clemson's are not going to be happy sitting still in a lesser postion making less money while their in state rivals are moving up and out (of reach) The football schools are going to rumble the most, and the Basketball schools can bluster but the truth is, history will show that they are not in a good position. I don't think we would see a time bomb effect in the ACC. I think we will see a greenlight for 2 to 4 teams up front. If the B1G and the SEC could reach 16 by gaining their objective then we could actually see a halt for awhile but I just don't see how the SEC reaches 16 while meeting their objectives without going over to 18 or 20. Time will not help the ACC in the long run but it will delay the end game. If you are pro expansion, time is definately not your friend.
@edelswick @mowens75 @SouthernBoiSB
I have no doubt that if 2 or 4 schools jump from the ACC that there would be an immediate replacement school named to replace those leaving. It was done in the Big East time and time again as the ACC poached through that conference. 2 factors here, first) no one wants to be left out so while there a few that would lag back, they will not take the chance if there is 4 or more teams leaving the ACC. Second ) the gap in pay out money projected in the B1G and the SEC from that of the ACC will not be ignored from any of those ACC schools.
It doesn't appear that the ACC lawsuit will be forthcoming any time in the immediate future. There seems to be a little jockeying back and forth between Maryoand and the ACC currently, but what a few Maryland friends have told me, there is no movement to rush the lawsuit. I could see the ACC trying to drag the suit out for as long as possible with all the rumors and different reports floating about the ACC and its teams possibly leaving. I really think there will be no movement that brings anyone into the SEC for the 2014 season. Could be wrong, but that window is closing very fast. What we could see is some late movement that would identify one or two teams in 2014 that would be coming into membership for the 2015 season. I would not be surprised if we are looking at the 2016 season as the BIG BANG year though. With everything that we have read here, I think the ACC teams that are targeted by the SEC are not set to pull any triggers in the current landscape. If we were looking to Clemson or FSU, yese they would jump the minute the Maryland exit fee settlement hit the airways. But those 2 schools will have to wait for their movement. I think North Carolina schools will wait until there is no chance of staying in a viable ACC before making any moves. So we could be in for a longer bang than we are anticipating. GT and UVA could be the first, but are they enough to tip the cart? I am not so sure just yet. If the SEC were to take FSU and Clemson at the same time UVA and GT were to leave for the B1G, that would do the deed, but again, I am not sure that Slive makes that move until he has VT and some application in hand from a North Carolina school ( it would have to be either UNC or NCST or any combo of either of these 2 plus Duke. It will either be 16 teams or 20 teams. I know 18 is doable, but it is not the premium equation that 16 or 20 can give. If it is 20 teams, look for FSU and Pittsburg to be in serious consideration regardless of double dipping (FSU) or geography (PITT). Without the upcoming network, I could see the SEC standing pat at 14 for 10 years plus but the markets that could be gained are too ripe and the unstability of the ACC will never be more uncertain than it is right now.
Texas A&M and Missouri were both supposed to pay 90 % each of their TV revenue as the exit fee which last year was reported to have been in the 30 million dollar mark each. But they were both able to negotiate down to just under the 13 million mark. I think nebraska and Colorado also negotiated out of the full exit fee amount as well. But I know A&M and Missouri got out without paying the full amount.
@SouthernBoiSB @DanHogan @JRsec
As a Georgia fan, without thinking into it too much, I would say UGA, UF, UNC and UVA :) Recruiting is my reasoning and NO ONE is going to break up the annual "world's largest cocktail party"
Georgia recruits alot in North Carolina and I would love to get an annual presence in NC to help us pull more. But again, this is my own preference. Half of the fans will disagree with this pod collection.
As a Mississippi resident for many years, the first thing that would happen if MSU and Miss were separated would be that the Mississippi legislature would pass something requiring those 2 schools play every year. I don't know about Bama / Auburn but probably the same thing. I do agree that at 16 or higher you have to go pods. There was so much belly aching from the B1G fans when Rutgers and Maryland were introduced as #13 and #14. Wait until 15 and 16 are introduced in the SEC and the new pod system is announced. The stacks of cash will mellow those University Presdients, but the fans are going to loose it when this goes down.
Got to wonder if the Presidents of those 5 schools haven't already broached the subject of pods and how it will affect their traditional rivalries.
@SouthernBoiSB @John at MrSEC
I was told that an ACC member has a 1 year notice it has to give before it can leave but I have not seen anything in writing that details length of time. I know the Big East had a 27 month waiting period before a school could leave. Of course West Virginia didn't wait 27 months, but I believe Pitt and Syracuse have been on the 27 month wait period. Due to scheduling, I would think that a member of the ACC wanting to leave for the 2014 football season, would have to give notice by the start of football this year in order to leave for the start of football next year.Maybe someone else has the answer to that. I wonder if the ACC can drag out the Maryland exit fee lawsuit for 6 months or more to slow down any possible defections from any other members.
I guess what I am trying to find out, does adding a school within a state give access to all the cable subscribers within that state for the SEC network?
I can easily see your point. I can't read any big 12 blogs without seeing the hate and jealousy when someone mentions Mizzou over there. Well, actually when Mizzou or anyone from the SEC is brought up. But I can see there is a special hate for Mizzou from alot of those big12 folks.
Thanks for your input. Lets say for arguements sake, UNC and Duke go to the B1G, and that NCST comes to the SEC. 3.5 million households in North Carolina but does that mean the SEC Network would be in all 3,5 million cable packages in that state? I have heard that the SEC network is not to be a pay per view package. It will be a part of a sports package sort of like what ESPN has had for years. Basic cable is 29.99 but if you want the sports deluxe add on it will be 35,99 and will add 10 various sports channels. FSN, ESPN Classic, ESPNU , SEC EAST, SEC WEST, NFL Network, Outdoor living, etc. etc.
If the SEC can get the whole cable subscription in a state by just gaining 1 school, by adding second or third schools within that state would lesson the value. If money is the only driver, take 6 new schools that are currently outside the foot print to gain the most value of the dollar. Brands wil add TV value but not near as much value as adding cable subscribers to the network, especially if we are talking 2 or 3 dollars possilbe subscription fees within the footprint states.
@buddha22 @JansonRoberts @Back
Sorry, rebuffed is something I read in an article 2 years ago. It is no slight in any way against Mizzou. Glad to have them in the SEC.
Any movement probably depends alot on the maryland exit fee. But it is getting real tight if the SEC were to add any schools with expectations of having them as members when the Network kicked off in 2014.
Let me ask this. If through the next round of Expansion, the SEC were to finish with 20 schools having a foot print within 14 states, totaling 50 million subscribers ( random number) , how does the subscription fee work? Is it as easy as say $1.00 per subscription per month? That would be 600 million annually. Ok, Espn gets something. 10 percent?
That leaves 540 million with 20 schools and 1 equal share going to the conference office ( 21 equal shares) That is roughly 25 million per school per year. Does it work like that? Don't know how subscription fees work. I was told that there are a few sports networks around that are getting as much as 2 to 3 dollars per suscription? that doubles or triples the numbers. But again I don't know how the whole subscription fee netwrk deal works.
Can anyone tell me why the ESPN / CBS / SEC renegotiation has been shelved? It was huge back in October and early November. It was even reported and the parties were ready to announce the deal. Then maryland and Rutgers to B1G happened and as of today, there as not been a peep out of the renegotiation of the SEC's TV deal.
I agree on Mizzou. They are going to have a longer adjustment period but I think they are smart enough to look at the other members within their new conference and craft their programs toward the proven sucesses in the SEC. Yes, it will take some time and commitment, but from what I have been reading, Mizzou is making the investments and is committed moving forward.
As for what is "WORKING", there are alot of reports of scheduling problems with 14 members. 16 is alot easier to schedule and that is why so many believe that this realignment is goiing to 16. Could be wrong, but only time will tell. 12 was great, 16 is good. !4 and 18 are scheduling nightmares for the football programs. If conferences are going to go beyond 16 teams, 18 will not be beneficial. And though I think 20 teams in a conference is crazy, from a scheduling standpont it beats 18 going and coming.
@larryphelps20 @John at MrSEC
The best hope for the PAC would be to somehow work a deal with the Big 12 to merge together to become a Super conference. Not likely to happen, but that would be the best way to move for those 2 conferences.
The PAC 12 is definately in a bad situation for further expansion.
What would be considered viable?
The B1G will not go after any non - AAU schools other than the exception of Notre Dame. Nebraska lost it's AAU AFTER it was accepted into the B1G. The B1G powers that be could not be more vocal on the AAU membership requirement.
@Back 2 Teh Futa
Louisville will never get an invite to the SEC. VT and NCSU could be very probable. I won't say never to FSU or CLemson, but the only slim chance for those 2 would only happen if the SEC would go to 20 members and would only invite . FSU and CU for the purpose of inventory brands. This realignment is all about the money that new cable markets bring to the table as far as the SEC is concerned for it's upcoming TV cable network. Oh, forget Mizzou going to the B1G. Won't happen. Mizzou wanted out of the Big 12. It never imagined the option of an SEC invite until A&M left for the SEC. From what I have read, back when Nebraska was leaving, Mizzou thought it had only 2 options, Stay in the Big 12 or push for an invite from the B1G. The B1G rebuffed Mizzou but later when A&M moved to the SEC, Mizzou was presented with a new option, one that had not been comptemplated until the A&M move. Mizzou has its new home and they aren't going anywhere.
2 trains of thought for me from your post. First, neither the B1G nor the SEC will move any now until the Maryland exit fee has been resolved. If the exit fee is reduced, we will problably see some quick movement.
Second, yes, the B1G made a grab of Maryland in it's move to 14. But perception is that Maryland wasn't a conference killer. I think back to when the SEC added A&M and MIZZOU. The SEC took it's sweet time in officially announcing anything back then because of the legal threats and the articles reporting that Slive did not want to be known as a conference killer. SO even though the B1G raided 1 school from the ACC, the fact remains that the B1G is at 14 along with the SEC. Maybe Slive won't wait for the B1G to make the next move, but until the exit fee from Maryland is resolved, there will not be any moves going forward.
Personally, once the exit fee is resolved, I think Slive and company need to be the first to move to get 15 and 16. But reading through everything that has happened in the past, I just don't know who makes the first move.
Well, I really doubt the SEC or B1G can just go to UVA and get them to accept an invitation straight up. The same for UNC. IF either the B1G or SEC were to just go to those 2 schools with invites, the chances of actually getting both of those 2 schools to leave everyone else the ACC behind is pure fantasy. To get those 2 schools to leave the ACC, there is going to have to be a big bang effect. UNC is the ACC, at least in the minds of those at UNC. In order to get UNC to leave, you have to take away any reason to stay. That is my reasoning on why we will see more than 1 or 2 trickle down effect in the next round. Once you get Universities moving out of the ACC, there will not be anyone that wants to be left behind holding the "bag". Just my personal thoughts. But other than FSU / Clemson, which it is has been said would jump quick for the SEC if given the chance, GT is the only other school which may be in a position to jump to the B1G as a stand alone depending upon the Maryland exit fee outcome. So again my thinking is take those 3, FSU / Clemson / GT in a big bang and Virginia / North Carolina Schools are jumping out without alot of delays.
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There are 2 glaring RED flags that stand out to me when I think about the ACC conference.
#1 flag is that with Maryland leaving and all the talk of FUS to the Big 12 coupled now with rumors of GT / UVA to the B1G, the ACC could not / would not get a GOR that could have possibly stablized their conference.
#2 flag is a cause in effect to the first flag. If the conference payouts are legit, there is know way these ACC schools can stand pat and let these other conferences gain such a large advantage in terms of money.
I dont personally think the conferences will get to 24 teams which many have stated would require an all conference schedule. Based on a 12 game scheduling format for 24 teams. There is no legal way to get out of OOC in-state meetings that have been mandated within certain states. The only option in that type of situation would be to raise the number of games played to 13 and that is not going to happen. I will never say never, but I think the conferences that are going to the superconference era are probably going to stop at 20 maximum. I could be way wrong and it could in fact go to 24 but I think 20 is more realistic.
I think the SEC would love to add 2 more teams before the New SEC network is unvailed. But Slive and company aren't desparate and could launch as is with 14 teams if the Schools that are in the crosshairs from expansion are not forthcoming before 2014.
As for bridge seasons, the SEC is having that scenario play out now I believe with A&M and Mizzou. My personal thought is that the next round will be a much larger endeavor with possibly having 4 to 6 schools crossing through to membership. Not necessarily all on the same day. LOL. No one in the ACC is going to want to be left behind and they aren't going to want to go into a holding mode before they can get their share of the pie. SO I think if and when anything happens, it will be quite a rush effect with no one having to wait. But it is just my opinion more than anything, and of course my opinion is based more on what I would prefer rather than what the commishioner and presidents are looking to do in reality.
@Roggespierre @AndrewMartin @dafreshness318
I would agree, I don't know about 4th tierkids, but I get what you are saying. Its just natural for me to immediately think recruiting when thinking about adding a new state. Speed kills down here in the south for sure. Good insight, thanks. I tend to think too much when this tpic of expansion starts churning. LOL
I am sure that Penn will still continue to get the blue chips within the state there. But Penn can't take everyone, and not to bring a sore subject into the mix, but Penn will be taking a lot of the recruits for the next 4 years due to the sanctions. The SEC is strong and has won the last 6 NCG's. It has had more NFL draft picks the last few years than any other conference. I don't know the mind set of the type of recruits there in the North. So far, the Texas A&M and Mizzou recruiting has proven to be great by moving into the SEC. I just wonder if Pitt could have any reasonable success likewise. Could Kentucky, Tennessee and some of the southern schools gain any advantage in getting recruits in Pennsylvania if Pitt were to gain membership in the SEC? I would have to think that there would definately be some culture differences, but 18 and 19 year old kids still want to play with the best and the fact that there is alot of SEC players getting drafted every year may show an advantage to some of those young players.
I know it is about markets here, but as a fan, I personally want to gain other advantages such as recruiting in any expansion.
@Roggespierre @ruizhe @AndrewMartin @dafreshness318
If the ACC could somehow pul in my money for its members, then it would be a viable option. But the current TV deal that they just received has stunted that idea. Think about the difference in money pay outs that are projected. The B1G and the SEC (with the forthcoming SEC network) are prjected to make possibly 10 to 15 million a year more than those in the ACC. Of course it is only projections, but stil, Schools like FSU and Clemson are not going to willing to accept the fact that in state Schools like UF and USC are cashing checks that will give such a large advantage. Perception they won't be able to compete long term with higher paid schools and it will cause fear and hasten a change. That is one reason that last summer, FSU and Clemson really did consider the Big 12, butlevel heads prevailed I believe because even the Big 12 has issues that cause pause especially when you look a travel expense, GOR and leadership faults within that conference. This next round will focus on the B1G and the SEC given the strength that both of these conferences represent as well as the power bases that they offer. With all things equal, will geography help the SEC? But can we say that all things are equal? B1G projections are higher than the SEC, but the SEC has the all for one and one for all equality without the distances that will make it a struggle for some of these southern schools. AAU is a big bargaining chip for the B1G but is it enough? CIC could easily tip the scale for some of these larger research schools. There is sure to be much discussion moving forward. Can therse universities really look at making 100 year decisions? Or is it really more along the lines of 10 to 20 year decisions?
Another area I would like to know more about is the recruiting in Pennsylvania. Does it have good recruiting grounds?
Of course the SEC is looking to add AAU, but the SEC is not limiting their list to AAU only. This is about new markets and adding the upcoming SEC Network footprint. AAU membership is important but it is not the stop gap for consideration that the B1G has placed on its consideration.
It is about new cable markets. One man's idea of scraps is another man's idea of cable subscription gold. In a perfect world, yes the SEC will go after the AAU members. BUt I don't see the SEC limiting itself with that being the sole purpose of expansion. The SEC is not expanding to add AAU members. It is soon to kick off THE SEC NETWORK. For that reason it is looking to add new markets whereby adding $$$ to its bottom line. There are other factors for the SEC besides AAU. Of course the SEC will try like there is no tomorrow to get the AAU members within the target areas. No brainer there folks. But to say that the SEC will discount anyone other than AAU is just not reality. If UVA is B1G bound, the SEC will not blink in adding VT. If UNC is B1G bound, UNC would be crazy to do so IMO, but the SEC would not blink in adding NCST. Maybe even Duke would be easily invited to the SEC. Most private schools are non factors in this expansion, but there are those, such as Duke and ND of course which will have no problem getting a placement. If the SEC ended up with VT, NCST, DUKE, PITT and adding Clemson and FSU for inventory, how could anyone say the SEC took the scraps? The SEC would add the markets that it is wanting with a footprint that is awesome. On the field product (FOOTBALL) would have some hic-ups but who is to know with the amount of $$$$ and the right admin., that any of these schools could not improve itself. Duke of course in football would not become a powerhouse, but the other five could easily have very successful football programs, as all but Duke have had success in the past. Of course given a choice, the SEC would love to add only AAU, but that is not what is driving this bus folks. It is adding the new markets to create a footprint that ensures the SEC network a goldmine of $$$ and really geographically would keep the SEC balanced in travel schedules with only PITT being a slight push but their market and their AAU is anything but scraps.Look at their numbers and their tradition!!! If the SEC ended up with these 6 members I have listed, I would not have any problem adjusting. BTW until I saw the numbers given by John here on MrSEC.com, I would have screamed bloody murder at the mention of adding a northern team.
As a Georgia Dawg fan, I already hold my nose everytime we go down to those stinkers at Auburn, so I guess I can hold my nose to go play those stinkers at Clemson or Pitt or VT or NCST. Maybe I will even invest in a resperator to wear. LOL. Better yet, there is nothing that takes the smell of stink away like that sweet cologne called " La Victorious". Go Dawgs.
thaThe fact remains that when Nebraska was admitted to the B1G as it's 12 th member, it was an AAU member. ND is and has been the only EXCEPTION to the RULE. Just as ND has a free pass to the table in all BCS matters, it has an free pass into the B1G without the AAU membership. BUT they are the only exception to the rule for the B1G unless ND were to go to Delaney with some sort of package deal to bring BC, which I doubt would ever happen, but lets say ND does go to the B1G and ask for an invite only if BC can come too. That position would probably get a serious consideration. But standing alone, BC or any other school that is not AAU, again with the exception of ND, would not get any consideration. If I am wrong, we will see in the months, years ahead and I will gladly eat my words here. The SEC has no such restriction.
@Big Bob Marley
You could be right, but I don't see any of the core ACC schools really leaving to go to the Big 12. Not with the SEC and B1G sitting in the power seats looking to enlarge their respective footprints. Clemson fans want no part of having to deal with traveling in a Big 12 schedule. It is too far and there is no history for them in that move. There could be a real possibility of Lousiville and Cinninati going to the Big12 at some point maybe even Miami. The core schools want to stay in a strong vibrant ACC, but the money is not there to enable them to keep their unity. Reports show 2 if not 3 schools currently need to enlarge their athletic budgets to continue to upgrade facilities and grow their athletic departments. You will see the B1G and the SEC target and get the main core schools to add to their network footprint.
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I spent 2007 through 2010 in Baltimore with my work. Thank God for CBS and ESPN with the SEC TV contracts. I actually had a few chances to go watch a few Terrapin games. There has been a sharp decline over the past 6 years or so with fans there. From what I gathered from some rabid fans true to their cause, the program was ran to ground. If an SEC school let their athletic programs fall apart the way Maryland allowed it's programs ,there would be riots in the streets at those SEC schools. The SEC has its bottom tier programs, but even those bottom tier's admins would be ran out on a rail with tar and feathers if they did to their schools what Maryland did to its athletic department. I am not a B1G fan nor a Maryland fan, but I still hope that Maryland, with its current Admin, will take advantage of this opportunity to rebuild itself into a real program again. I would think that Delaney and the B1G would have gotten a firm assurance that Maryland is serious about investing in the Athletic programs moving forward into its new home.
Until the Maryland exit fee is determined there will not be any movement from any teams in the ACC. There is no guarantee of anything except the fact that the B1G and the SEC are projected to make alot more money in the payouts to its members than the ACC will be paying its members. That is why Maryland left and if reports are to be believed, GT and FSU want / need more revenue to bolster their athletic budgets. Fear of being left behind especially those ACC schools with in state rivals from other conferences making substantially higher money will continue to build. If UF is projected to make 330 million dollars in SEC payouts over the next 10 years while FSU is projected to only get 200 mil over the same 10 year period, something will have to give. With those projections, Maryland felt it would take the chance hoping that they could wiggle out of some of the 52 million exit fee. But even if Maryland has to pay the 52 million, the 10 year payout from the B1G will still bring in a far larger payout to the University. Of course ESPN could end all this realignment talk tomorrow by renegotiating the ACC contract increasing the payouts to 24 million or 25 milion per team. Everyone stand pat in the ACC. DOes anyone think ESPN will be making any calls tomorrow in that regard? LOL
The B1G conference has never relented in its AAU membership requirement, PERIOD. Perhaps if the B1G were in desperation mode, there would be so compromise. BUt we all know the B1G is far from any desperation. The SEC and B1G are both strong and move forward in any expansion plans from a stance of strength. B1G is not about to take any non-AAU school. I just don't see them compromising. The BTN is already up and running very well. TV contracts will be renegotiated soon and the B1G knows that it is in a position of strength. ALl these scenarios are great to talk about and conjecture, but there are a few non compromising issues when it comes to conference expansion. While I fully believe the SEC does not have a non compromising position on AAU membership, the B1G has made it clear time and again, it is a non starter without AAU membership. Nebraski lost their membership AFTER it was accepted into the B1G. Thankfully for Nebraski, because I seriously doubt an invite would have been given if they had not been a member when they were looking to leave.If I am right, it will clearly define the list sitting on Delaney's desk right now. Look at the list of 25 schools given in this series with AAU memebership. ND being the Possible exception.
If and When the Big Bang happens, the amount of money through TV will go through the roof (persumably). Will NBC match the dollars that are coming with the New Super conferences in order to keep ND indy? Other than the ACC, would the B1G or Big 12 be willing to take ND as a non-football member with the same 5 game hitch that ND now has with the ACC? With the current landscape, ND is making out like a bandit in revenue, but factor in the Big Bang and will they continue to be able to pull in enough revenue to keep up in a landscape of Supers? What happens if the Supers break off and create a new Division Class? Does ND get a free pass into the new Super Class? Alot to think about.