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@swampwiz @Jemmy Hell, those doctors would probably do better. They certainly do well in Canada, Britain and Singapore. And there wouldn't be all that waste paying people like Scott Brown in Florida literally billions!
@Jemmy @swampwiz Then get rid of your right wing hack of a doctor and find someone else. Better for you because nobody needs a stupid person looking out for their health care.
My sister, Harvard trained OB/GYN, says Single Payer is the way to go -- and it's INSURANCE understand? People pay in and the exchange pays out, without the onus of only getting sick old people, while the private companies get all the young and healthy customers.
Again - the American people are paying 17 percent of GDP on health care, twice as much as the rest of the civilized world and 40 million Americans aren't getting covered at all.
@Derick87387873 Well, maybe you should find a place to live where the government doesn't worry about the health of it's citizens. Mexico provides insurance and so does Canada, so I guess you're out of luck driving. Maybe Nigeria or Bengladesh. Because the American people are sick of living at the dictates of a bunch of propaganda drunk neanderthals who listen to the voices of people like Donald Trump and the Koch brothers and ask - how high, boss?
In other words, love it or leave it. Because it's the law -- that's how democracies work. We voted for it and we got it and that's the way it is.
@TommyCzxqa @bannxcam Nothing in the law has gone into effect yet that could make your rates double -- it's the insurance companies who have been raising rates far outstripping inflation or anything else in the way of costs for decades now.
This is a deficit reducer, of major proportions. If it had been Single Payer, it would have been far more cost effective. It will be Single Payer though.
You really do owe it to yourself to look into these things and not just listen or read "news" from sources that have a particular point of view they want to push. 17 percent of GDP is ridiculous -- it's down to 4 percent of GDP in some countries and they get better outcomes with everyone covered.
I'm sorry if there are people who are going to read this article and believe anything the doctor has to say, but fortunately, a majority of Americans this time around saw fit to reelect the President and forgo the Republicans dismantling Obamacare on behalf of their corporate masters.
Dr. Orient is pushing the insurance industries' latest claptrap designed to confuse and obfuscate.
Yes, you have a new tax. Oh, dear, who would have imagined people would have to actually pay for something. However, it's better than having to subsidize all the uninsured people who end up in emergency rooms and paying ten times over and above the services provided.
Every person who has no insurance is going to get sick at some point and need medical care and we're all going to pay for it, until everyone has insurance.
It's like having insurance when you get in a car. It's required. It needs to be required for health care now, because everyone gets sick.
@dmodmodmo @Vorenious Switzerland and Denmark. There are others, I believe. It would have been Single Payer, if we didn't have to deal with Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats serving the private insurance industry, but it will become Single Payer as Americans learn more about the benefits.
@dmodmodmo @jsw1108 There is nothing in the Constitution that refers to "Big" or "Little" or "Just the Right Size" government.
Invariably, from my observations, the people pushing this meme about "Big Government" (as if any government representing 320 million people is going to be anything but) is simply a means of disarming citizens of recourse against being ripped off by scoundrels. Because that is what government is in a democracy; a tool by which the will of the citizens is expressed.
Meanwhile, I want to see that 17 percent of GDP paid for health care brought down to 4 percent, as in Singapore, which has better treatment and outcomes for 100 percent of it's citizens. Anything else represents a ripoff, whom the author of the above article is most assuredly allied with.
@bannxcam This isn't about "promises." This is about having seen various means of delivering health care in advanced nations and knowing what does and does not work.
Now, I have no reason to think Pelosi or Reid have been lying about anything, however, there is more than enough evidence that the insurance industry, through their lobbyists and people like Scott Brown in Florida, have done nothing but lie about this issue.
The US has been paying 17 percent of GDP on health care and 40 million people are without. Considering the money spent, there is no more important fiscal issue in the US and the Republicans will do nothing to fix it. So, it's up to the Democrats, who by the way have done nothing regarding health care that wasn't first promoted by the Heritage Foundation and Richard Nixon.
@jsw1108 I have a few posts here and I do reference facts. And your blind allegiance to the GOP's claptrap against "big government," whatever that means, is simply because it's the only means citizens have to protect themselves from the depredations of the financial predators who pay into the GOP's coffers.
Further, I was not being snide or smug. Other countries have shown numerous means of delivering health care in a way that's more cost effective, just as modern, with a better outcome for more people, at a fraction of the cost.
Health care is too important to plow more than half the cost into the pockets of people who do absolutely nothing to further the cause of health. And a bunch of propaganda drunk people not withstanding, we're finally making progress with this President.
@Vorenious This is not speculative. We've seen how different models work in different nations. We're paying 17 percent of GDP for mediocre quality with 40 million uninsured, tens of millions of bankruptcies and enforced payoffs to middlemen. Singapore has better outcomes, more modern, covers everyone and it's 4 percent of GDP.
No, nothing's free. But paying 17 percent vs. 4 is preferable, unless you're unable to think properly, and the insurance industry is paying billions to assure you are unable to think at all,.
Talk about cold blooded claptrap from an evil old woman, getting paid to spew lies on behalf of the Insurance industry. Sorry, but regarding Obamacare, that ship left port. It's the law of the land and it's going to evolve pretty quick into Single Payer, and all Americans will soon come to wonder why in the world anyone ever believed such lying nonsense.