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Do you think this is part of the reason the SEC & ACC only went to an 8 game conf. schedule?
Will the, possible, addition of more teams create a whole new setup? It would be nice if all P5 teams were set up identically in # of teams/divisions (or pods) & therefore free up room to inter-rotate cross-conference games.
ex.: SEC/PAC, B12/B10 (year 1)
SEC/B12, PAC/B10 (year 2)
2 months ago on If A “Division IV” Is Created, Get Ready For More Conference Realignment
If they did start grabbing schools, would it be ASAP or sometime in the future?
2 months ago on If Division IV Comes, Which Schools Might Be Thrown A Lifeline?
@iDBrown If nobody cares, then why is it always brought up? Also, if nobody cares, why are they the LOWEST attended games on the schedule?
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Since 2008, SEC Non-Conference Games Have Left Much To Be Desired
@iDBrown It DOES harm those schools that play them in strength of schedule & non-conference opponents. If it didn't, then let's let EVERYBODY (*staring @ the Big 10*) play them.
It seems that by helping out the FCS schools, the SEC gets the bad wrap of "cupcake games". So, who's got the right approach?
11. Doing Away With Foul-Outs
This one’s off the wall and it will never be adopted, but darned if
the goal isn’t a good one. Ole Miss’ Andy Kennedy pointed out last week
that basketball is the only sport that takes its best players and kicks
them out of the game. “Five fouls? Sit down.” In his view, that’s a
waste. And if “fan experience” is truly important to the folks making
the rules, maybe it’s time to keep the best players playing. While the
Big East once experimented with allowing six fouls per player, Kennedy’s
idea is different. In his view, any player with five or more fouls
could keep right on playing. But after every foul over five committed
by a player, the opposing team would get two foul shots and the
ball. We love it. It would add strategy to the game — “Should I keep
my star out there or is a four- or five-point swing too big a risk?” It
would keep the best players on the court after five fouls and it would
also prevent coaches from sitting players when they pick up two fouls in
the first half. Fans pay money to see their team. Why not let them
see their whole team for a whole game? This will never ever happen, but
we think the SEC should push the idea and the NCAA should do it."
Isn't that only encouraging teams to try to get calls go their way against players in this foul trouble? Seems like it would more focus on the officials to make sure that call is CORRECT than any others.
Also, is it just me, or when somebody is fouled out, it's gives a non-starter a chance to actually be in the game (without it coming from an injury)?
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Dos, Don’ts And Should Have Dones From The SEC Meetings (Part Two)
GO DAWGS!!! <:-)
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Adding A Game Vs A “Power Five” Team Won’t Mean Much To Most SEC Schools
@BillRauhuff @gregpomeroy1 I agree with Bill. You're CRAZY if you think the fans want to see cupcake games. WHY do you think attendance DROPS for them? It contradicts your idea for PREFERING them!
@caryrue Kind of. But most fans are tired of going to "Gimme Games" against a creampuff school. They'ld rather take that $ & use it elsewhere while catching the game on tv.
It's amazing that, despite everybody's thinking, UGA <B>PLAYS THE MOST P5</B> teams. Granted, a large portion is due to GT.
It would also be interesting to see who scheduled whom - to see if there's any trends of who they will/won't play.
Also, I'm curious to know who initiates these games - the SEC to fill out a schedule, or the smaller schools for the $? We always hear the whining about them on the schedule, so some background as to who/why they're created could help deflect that rambling to the correct reasoning.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Meet The SEC’s Favorite Cupcakes
@the_voice @SouthernBoiSB A compromise of this is when I read people saying keep 2-3 must have games & rotate the rest. My argument with that is how can you accurately compare teams when they may have 1-2 common opponents @ most?
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Three Things The SEC Needs To Do At This Week’s SEC Meetings
@the_voice @SouthernBoiSB Then we have 2 different ideas of rivalries. I personally think that if 2 schools have played each other, for example, 75+ times that there HAS to be some kind of rivalry there. You can't just compete that much & not have some kind of passion for that game.
@the_voice @SouthernBoiSB To go on this suggestion - some say have 2/3 perm. games & rotate the rest. That's only going to cause more people complain about not playing teams more frequently & somehow create tiebreakers in order to rank teams (which there is the possibility this could happen with teams who don't share a common opponent).
How exactly are you going to divide up the schools? I don't think the SEC will split state schools, so (as above), TN/Vandy - Miss./MSU - Aub./Ala. will all be joined together.
However, the downside to what you suggest is you're making 1 division too heavy with the power schools & the other a "gimme" win for LSU (ex.) each year.
As I've seen on other sites, some people said to put Aub./Ala./UGA/TN/Florida & 2 others in the East. However, by doing that, they made SC the lone child having to compete with everybody 3 states to the west & futher.
Nothing against TA&M nor Mizz., but the SEC should have chosen a more Eastern team in this last expansion, & we wouldn't have that issue to argue.
If my #'s are correct, I believe your "manure" game of Kentucky/MSU has been played 75+ times. Sounds like that game is important to those 2 schools. UGA/Auburn has been played almost 120 years. Really don't think that should be tossed aside either.
Just my take on that.
Now, something I've always preached FOR is to have all P5 conferences setup the same way with the same # of members. This way you can't finger point as to who's better & who's worse because you're all identical.
However, I don't think that having to play 14 games just to get a conference winner - who THEN goes on to the playoffs is a hot idea. Take it this way - suppose somebody goes 12-0 in conference & then loses in the SEC "playoffs"....is that fair for them?
@the_voice @SouthernBoiSB I know you & I have talked about this before, but I don't agree with your pod setup. The reason is something I've mentioned before - must have games. The following are threads of historied games that are played yearly & I don't know how your idea of pod scheduling helps that.
MSU - Alabama - Auburn - UGA - UF
Tennessee - Alabama - Auburn - UGA - UF
I see as AB/CD year 1, AC/BD year 2, AD/BC year 3 & then repeat with sites rotated. This gives you a 8 team division that changes each season. The NCAA says you have to have divisions for a CG, but NOT that they have to be the same teams each year. This totally contradicts your "mini-playoff" just to the SEC CG.
Now, as I referenced above, HOW can you set up the pods where those 4 games are played each year? & HELL NO to playing games as non-conference!
From thinking about it, I have to expand those a bit further:
Miss. - MSU - Alabama - Auburn - UGA - UF
Kentucky - MSU - Alabama - Auburn - UGA - UF
Vandy - Tennessee - Alabama - Auburn - UGA - UF
Now, some say have 1 perm. team in each pod & rotate. But that's going to bring up the same arguments we have now about teams not playing each other more frequently. I guess the + side to that is that you'll see everybody once in 3 years.
Another thing that would help, HOPEFULLY, would be it would make geography sense (as in putting Mizz. with teams closer to it). Also, as I have a strong feeling about this, the SEC WILL NOT put teams from the same state in 2 different divisions/groups. So sorry to those thinking Miss./MSU, Vandy/Tenn., or Aub./Ala. will be split up. The reason is those teams have their in-state rivalries that will be made into PERM. rivals if they were broken up. So, for those against perm teams, try working that requirement into your solution.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Three Things The SEC Needs To Do At This Week’s SEC Meetings
WHY would Florida schedule a "neutral site" game for a school.......IN THE SAME STATE? You already alternate with FSU; so..................?
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Muschamp Open To Adding Miami To Florida’s Schedule
On a different site, somebody started a thread saying MR was the person calling Miss. "a racist school". Even tried to use the article to support his claim.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Ole Miss’ Freeze And Georgia’s Richt Bickering? Doesn’t Sound Like It
@the_voice I know John doesn't like posting outside links on here, but there is a scheduling format (involving a "switch") that has been discussed on other sites. I agree that 14 teams (with only a 12 game season) is not an easy thing to work with. As you mentioned, other sports play more games (practically having 2+ games against the same teams), but fb only has 1 slot for any given team.
Another debate I've seen is only have 2 or 3 perm. teams & rotate the rest. Don't know how well that would fly because I see it creating too many headaches as to how to rank teams that divisions do by giving you & 6 other schools similar opponents in which you can rank yourself easier. ex.: What happens if 2 teams have the same record but DON'T have a single common opponent?
Actually, Florida has NEVER said they wanted to end the LSU game.
Only those purple & gold tiger fans are saying that. Miss.-Vandy or
MSU-KY is another long-time rivalry that they don't want to lose
either. So, right there you have 7 teams MINIMUM keeping their
rivalries yearly. & just because 4 of them are, as you put it,
"top-level cross-division rivalries" doesn't mean the others aren't
important to those schools.
&, sorry, but HOW can you sit
there & say to KEEP rivalries only to end your post with "oh - skip a
year"? There's NO WAY that games NOT going to be played & sure as
Hell WON'T be considered a non-conf. game neither.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on SEC Gambles On Status Quo When It Comes To Conference Schedules
The SEC went to a 5-1-2 setup in 2002. Let's see how the West faired since then:
AlabamaFlorida - 4Georgia - 4 (UGA got Mizz. with expansion in 2012)Tennessee - 14AuburnFlorida - 6Georgia - 14Tennessee - 5LSUFlorida - 14Georgia - 5Tennessee - 6
Looks almost identical to me except 2012 UGA/Mizz..
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Texas AD Swipes At “New” SEC Scheduling Format; We Add Some Observations
With a 6-1-2 setup, teams COULD setup a neutral site game. Thereby having a 4-1-4 setup.
@the_voice6-1-2 lets you see them 4X in 12 years.
Year 1/4/7/10 - cross rival + cross rotation A + cross rotation B
Year 2/5/8/11 - cross rival + cross rotation C + cross rotation D
Year 3/6/9/12 - cross rival + cross rotation E + cross rotation F
@John at MrSEC @birddog01THANK YOU!!! I put that same argument on another site....WHO'S to say that we wouldn't have 14 "SEC vrs. Creampuff College" games instead of 7 SEC vrs. SEC games?
@RoadTrip A 6-1-2 setup would let you play the other division 4X in 12 years (as opposed to the 2X in 12 years now). *SMH*
John, a few of things......
1 - I've read that a "hybrid" schedule of keeping UGA/AU & UT/Ala. playing each other while the rest rotate was an option @ the meeting. Any truth to that & can somebody PLEASE SHOW me what that would look like? As I've read on another site, it would only cause the other 10 teams to complain MORE about the unfair scheduling.
2 - Can ESPN force the SEC to go to 9 conference games being their in charge of the SEC Network?
3 - With the NCAA changing & letting the "Power 5" group up.......is this all for nothing & those school going to form schedules ONLY against each other in the future?
How about the non-violent act of substance abuse? BTW, how many times did that LSU player FAIL the test.....AND STILL PLAYED ON THE TEAM?!?!?
4 months ago on The SEC Needs A Rule Protecting Schools From Having To Face Players Booted For Disciplinary Reasons
So, doing the right this is bad. But places like LSU where you can fail drug/alcohol/steriod (forgot what it was) tests NUMEROUS times still makes you ELIGIBLE to play?
Either that tells me that teams will do anything to win.....or the NCAA needs to step it up a notch.
5 months ago on Georgia’s Richt Catches Heat For Recent Arrests; “Perception” Issues Remain
Is a 6th year student really something to allow?
5 months, 1 week ago on SEC Headlines 3/13/2014
WHY do so many people focus on UGA's players being benched or dismissed INSTEAD of the reasons they were removed? As you can tell, about 50%-75% benching comes from our strict anti-drug policy. & I never knew that was a "bad thing" to have.....unlike other schools who pretty much look the other way @ most things.
6 months ago on SEC Headlines 2/19/2014
So...schools that are starting to pick their programs up & build them should lose just so others can succeed? What kind of logic is the SEC sending? & is it something you really want to promote?
7 months ago on Hey, A&M And Georgia… The SEC Needs You To Take A Dive
@John at MrSECHopefully they'll put something in stone. I think they've tweaked these "bridge schedules" about as much as they can without using a permanent solution!
7 months, 2 weeks ago on A Return To The SEC For Kiffin? Yes, Please
I'm ready to discuss scheduling possibilities again. Any news on what might talked about with that topic in the upcoming months?
The officials were horrible @ the UGA game on Saturday. In the 2nd qtr., there was a CLEAR hit out of bounds by an App. State player that wasn't even called by the official right there. But then when App. State had the ball, UGA WAS called for it when both players were in bounds!
The multiple Unsportsmanlike penalties against the Dawgs were also questionable to the crowd during video reviews.
Also, there was the UGA "fumble" after the interception deep in App. State field that was met with crowd objection from video review on the scoreboard.
9 months, 1 week ago on Aaron Murray Sets SEC Passing Record; Johnny Manziel And A&M Blitz Bulldogs
2 things about the WLOCP:
1. Near the end, the official called 3 UGA & 1 UF unsportsmanlike penalties......THAT OFFSET EACH OTHER?
2. Aaron Murray was tagged in 1 of those calls, but NOBODY knows what he did.
Any light that can be shed on those?
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Gamecocks Run Past Bulldogs; Georgia Holds Off Florida
No offense, but Alabama & Auburn CAN'T play Alabama State? Everybody else seems to find 1 in-state opponent.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Kentucky, Texas A&M Blowout Non-Conference Opponents
the list of SEC's OLDEST rivalries
Mississippi State-Ole Miss 107
LSU-Mississippi State 104
LSU-Ole Miss 98
Alabama-Mississippi State 95
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Alabama’s Blowout Win Over Tennessee Won’t Help “Permanent Rival” Cause
It's also funny how of all the cross-division games, the ONLY historic 1 ever mentioned is Tenn./Al. simply due to the Vols current rebuilding phase & Alabama's steamrolling through everybody.
As you're mentioned, John, NOBODY seems to remember just a few years ago when the roles were reversed & Orange was more victorious than Crimson.
Apparently they've forgotten the UGA/Aub. game that has been played LONGER than TTSIO's competition. Guess it's called "The Deep South's OLDEST Rivalry" for a reason!
I know this will fly higher than a lead balloon, but I read a proposal on another site to go to 10 conf. games: 6 interdivision, 1 perm. rival, & 3 rotating rivals. You''ld go through the entire cycle in 4 years & everybody would have 5 H/5A conf. games.
Drawback to this is: UGA/UF/USC/UK will all only have 1 slot free due to their annual in-state rivalry with their ACC counterparts taking Game 11.
@bpa_kc & please tell me HOW you're going to implement 2 historic cross division rivalries, 5 toss up cross division games, AND create a rotation that's fair to all 14 schools?
BTW, "having the historic games NOT count as an SEC conf. game" is NOT the answer!
It would be interesting to see how many games have their results overturned due to erroneous officiating.
& before somebody harps on the time issue - I'ld rather have a 4-5 hr. game called CORRECTLY than a 2-3 hr. game filled with bad officiating.
10 months ago on Refs From Georgia / Vandy Game Could Face Discipline
@John at MrSEC
How do we know what a school's rotation is? I mean, it's easy to do your division (just swap the host sites). But now the SEC is throwing the cross division rotation into some kind of new format. Also, the order you play your teams. For ex.: 3rd Sat. In Oct. is a given; & WLOCP is always the weekend of Halloween. But who's to say UGA can't start off with Kentucky instead of SC & so forth? Like I pointed out above, some people are under the impression that the 1992 rotation should continue but somehow have Mizz./TA&M added in there as well.
10 months ago on That Didn’t Take Long: Whines About “Unfair” SEC Schedule in 2014 Begin
But it's not the penalty itself that's objected. The issue is if a video review negates a player ejection, it SHOULD negate the penalty all together!
10 months ago on Carolina’s Spurrier A-OK With New Targeting Rule
I hate to tell you, but with a 52-0 score, do you think anybody's gonna say "Hey, I think Arkansas will come back & beat Alabama"?
Lots of sports have fans leave when it's an obvious blowout.
10 months ago on Saban Not Happy With Alabama Fans Leaving Early
However, Mizz. has only played 3 conf. games & has 5 left on the schedule. Ga./Fl./SC all are still in it.
Missouri (3-0)South Carolina (3-2)Tennessee (1-2)@ Kentucky (0-3)@ Ole Miss (2-3)Texas A&M (2-2)Georgia (3-2)Florida (3-2)@ Auburn (3-1)Kentucky (0-3)Florida(3-2)@ Georgia (3-2)Vanderbilt (1-3)@ South Carolina (3-2)South Carolina (3-2)@ Missouri (3-0)Mississippi State (0-2)Florida (3-2)
10 months ago on Underdog SEC Saturday: Vanderbilt Rallies To Beat Georgia, Mizzou Dominates Florida
Our favorite 1 word topic: SCHEDULES! What do you think their change(s) will be - if any? As in, which many have tossed out there, non-conf. games only against those on the same level? Or will that be each conference's call?
11 months ago on NCAA Prez Emmert Promises “A Lot Of Change” Over The Next Year
UT's new uniforms look good. HOWEVER, what the #@!! was Nike thinking with those AWFUL grey uniforms for Florida & everybody else?
11 months, 1 week ago on SEC Headlines 9/17/2013
Just my personal opinion, but if you're arrested for drinking/drugs, you SHOULD have some kind of suspension from sports. The SEC should enforce that rule if nothing else.
11 months, 3 weeks ago on Georgia Kicker Morgan Will Miss This Week’s Carolina Game
"Coach Steve Spurrier: “We had Willie Nelson’s “Georgia on My Mind” blaring (Monday). Our players thought it was Ray Charles.”"
11 months, 3 weeks ago on SEC Headlines 9/4/2013
This should already be in place. But who better to push it than a leader of the SEC against substance usage. Go Dawgs!
11 months, 3 weeks ago on New UGA President Will Push The SEC For A Drug-Testing Policy