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I am so glad this conversation, has moved from the question of Ted Cruz to Obama, because it makes such an interesting contrast. In the case of Cruz, the question is the meaning of an arcane term of art that was current in the 18th century. For those who demand a strict interpretation of the phrase, I believe both Cruz and Obama would be ineligible, since they were not born of citizen parents. But what is interesting to me is that with Cruz, there are no questions whatsoever about who he is, or where he was born, or what is on his passport, or what he did in school, or why he is using a social security number issued to a Russian immigrant who died many years ago. Yet, with our president, Mr. Transparency, all of that is hidden in court sealed documents. In fact, in over 200 years we have never had a president or a candidate who has used the courts to hid the personal records of his life. Normally, candidates for public office are proud of their past, and open about it.
3 months ago on Yes, Ted Cruz IS eligible to serve as president
@PogueMoran @Cowboy Up 1776 @PatrickJColliano Actually, the original is given to the parents. This is how people are able to sign up for Little League, get passports, register for school, apply for a driver's license, apply for citizenship, etc. So, according to you the president has this original birth certificate, bearing the state seal of Hawaii, issued to his mother, but has shown it to no one, during all this controversy. Also, he has taken the extreme measures of sealing his school records, transcripts, and passport.
Nothing unusual at all in this pattern of behavior.
@PogueMoran @PatrickJColliano You obviously think you know something. That is nice. Everyone should have that feeling once in awhile. It is better when the feeling is reality based.
Where is the original?
@PatrickJColliano @Jon_Roland @GregoryConterio @WesternFreePress @Cowboy Up 1776 I am trying to understand the above bit about once a benefit is conferred, it lasts forever. You cited Charles Manson. I am trying to think of similar situations. Congress made treaties with various Indian tribes. These treaties conferred certain benefits. Those are still all in effect correct? Regardless of changes in law since then? What about benefits for Veterans? Benefits have been granted to members of the military as part of their compensation. So, you are saying that regardless of changes in the law, the benefits granted remain the same, or better, as they were at time of enlistment? What about social security? Benefits cannot be changed by Congress? The age cannot be raised? What about health care for Federal employees? Congress had conferred benefits of a Federal health insurance program. I don't believe those benefits are still in place.
@PatrickJColliano @Cowboy Up 1776 Are you familiar with layers in PhotoShop. I am. I use it on a daily basis in my publishing business. The birth document was created in layers. It was not scanned.
@PatrickJColliano @Cowboy Up 1776 @JillWalker I agree about impeachment. It could be done for any reason, IF Congress had the numbers and the will. That is a huge if. Congress is too evenly divided. "Non partisan" was a term I used to describe Carson. That may be misleading. From his statements, he is a very strong proponent of limited, constitutional government, but like Reagan, or Eisenhower, he had a very successful, non-political career. I would like a president who will use the bully pulpit to educate and to restore the Constitution, but we really need for Congress to do the work and lead the way. That should be the battleground, not the Oval Office. We need to delegitimize the imperial presidency. It was wrong under presidents of both parties who have chosen to rule by executive order, administrative and regulatory decrees, etc.
I agree, partly because we have a completely dumbed-down, uninformed electorate. Since so many do not know or understand policies, what else do they have to go on other than public persona? Dr Carson starts with many good qualities, but he will need to add some variety to his repertoire.
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@WesternFreePress @Cowboy Up 1776 @JillWalker I agree. I am not all on the bandwagon yet, but his quiet, reassuring manner is the manner of a physician. Well, we are mortally ill, and that may be a good style to deliver tough news. We need firm, calm resolve and principle at the top, and battle leaders in Congress.
@JillWalker Thank you, Jill. I really like Ted Cruz, but I do not want him to run for President. I want him to stay in the Senate. Same with Mike Lee and Rand Paul. The most important thing now is for the Senate and House to reassert their constitutional roles. To do that, we need great minds and leaders in those bodies. I need to know more about him, but right now my choice for President is Ben Carson, because he appears to understand the importance of limited government and the primacy of the individual, and because he is a man who can rise above pure partisanship, because he has not had to work his up way up through a party machine.
@PatrickJColliano @Cowboy Up 1776 Just my assumption from the fact that he was willing to commit fraud in presenting an obviously PhotoShopped document as a birth certificate, and the fact that all his personal records, up to the time of his running for office, have been sealed by court order, and other oddities, of which there are many, such as his attendance at a school in which enrollment was forbidden to American citizens. There are many indications that his early life was a fabrication, but if not, why are his records sealed? We have never had any presidential candidate whose background was completely closed. On the contrary, their lives are subject to intense scrutiny before they are ever nominated. But that is all beside the point. Whatever the truth about Obama, the point is that his eligibility to be on the ballot was never questioned. Neither party requested any documentation, and neither did any state official responsible for putting candidates on the ballot. That is the proof that, regardless of what the Constitution says, and what the Court says, as a practical matter, there is no controlling legal authority. There is no official, legal process for validating eligibility, and there never has been. It was never considered necessary. Perhaps this will change, but right now, there is no accepted process to question the eligibility of Ted Cruz, or anyone else, on the basis of citizenship.
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@PatrickJColliano @Cowboy Up 1776 Time for you boys to wake up and smell the coffee. These terms had meanings, they have meanings. The meaning they have is not the meaning they had originally, thanks to the court, but none of it means a damn thing because it is obvious to everyone that when it comes to eligibility for President, there is no longer any controlling legal authority, as proved by the fact that we have a president who is a) not a citizen of any kind, or b) a criminal guilty of theft by fraud. He attended college and law school as a foreign student. Virtually anyone is now eligible to be president, as long as they meet the criteria if the king makers. If a tin foil hat wacko does question eligibility, the powers that be flash the mind zapper that was featured in Men In Black. All questions then go away.
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I completely agree, Jon. That was my point. The author of this very detailed explanation of Ted Cruz's eligibility is completely off base because it assumes that the term Natural Born citizen is defined by U.S. Code, which is incorrect.
5 months ago on Yes, Ted Cruz IS eligible to serve as president
Question: If the meanings of terms used in the Constitution is determined by U.S. code, what is the definition of "misdemeanor" in U.S. Code? I would like to know because that would be all that is required, according to the Constitution to impeach the President. For example, intentionally writing a bad check of small amount is a misdemeanor. Is that an impeachable offense?
That aside, I really like Ted Cruz. We need him right where he is, not in the White House. Same with Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Trey Gowdy, etc. We need about a 100 more like them in Congress. We won't find many to equal them, but we can at least find representatives willing to adopt their positions. The problem is not the president but a cowardly, corrupt, unprincipled, worthless Congress. Doesn't matter who is in the White House. This country is supposed to be run by Congress and the people. The president is merely the chief law enforcement officer for Congress.
While pushing 10th amendment efforts in states, let's look for help in the House in a new direction. Replace Boehner as Speaker. Joe Thomas of the Afternoon Constitutional radio show has been advocating for Ron Paul asSpeaker of the House. Let's stand behind a man of principle.
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