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@GREENE1148 @mattchant It's an "if he retired today" kinda thing. Melo's been good for a lot longer than KD, even though his peak is lower. Both probably get in, as the model says, but I could see more voters scratching their heads at just 4 elite seasons from KD. It's amazing to me that Durant put together a Hall of Fame career by age 24. Think about that.
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Here's an interesting list. The list of guys in the NBA right now with a 50% or better chance of making the HOF, according to some advanced formula. In order.
1) Kobe Bryant
2) Tim Duncan
3) LeBron James
4) Dwayne Wade
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Dirk Nowitzki
7) Paul Pierce
8) Ray Allen
9) Chris Bosh
10) Chris Paul
11) Tony Parker
12) Carmelo Anthony
13) Dwight Howard
14) Vince Carter
15) KEVIN DURANT
16) Pau Gasol
17) Tracy McGrady
18) Steve Nash
19) Amare Stoudemire
Twentieth, at 39% is Russell Westbrook.
@LAMBGOD @mattchant I don't think that Russ will ever be close to the shooter Kobe is. At their age 24 seasons, Russ shot 32% from 3, Kobe was at 38% on much higher volume. Kobe also had 3 titles by this point in his career, Russ still has 0. Don't discount how amazing Kobe Bryant's career is. He's easily the 2nd best shooting guard of all time, and he has a legitimate chance to score more points than anybody ever.
@LAMBGOD @mattchant Russ isn't as good as either Kobe or LeBron though. I do think he might be as good as Iverson. I think that both of them create their assists similarly; not through particularly gifted floor vision, but rather because their unstoppable dribble drive collapses the defense and makes guys wide open. Of course, when one of those guys is Durant, you're gonna get a lot more assists than when it's Tyrone Hill (the #2 scorer on AI's age 24 team). I think it's pretty impressive that Iverson got as many dimes as he did, given the crap he was working with. I doubt Russell would do much better with those teammates from that perspective. I do think the rebounding is a legit difference, as I said.
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@tygablood @mattchant We have Ibaka to defend him. It's just not always going to work.
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Finding a comparable for Westbrook is tough, in part because he might be the best athlete to ever play PG, and in part because he's playing with the best scorer of his generation, which skews his playing style. But I think on the balance, the best comparison is to Allen Iverson. If Iverson played with a KD type, I think he'd have put up similar numbers to Westbrook, and vice versa.
That shows both of them, through their age 24 seasons. The per 36 is more indicative, because Iverson played more minutes. Outside of Westbrook's superior rebounding (he is much taller) they're remarkably similar. Russ has more dimes, but playing with KD your whole career will do that; same with Iverson scoring more points. Iverson was more of a 3 point shooter, and a better one at that, but Russ would almost certainly take more 3's if he wasn't playing with KD. Both guys get to the line at a prolific rate for PGs, both shoot a similar percentage, and both are freak of nature athletes. What do you guys think?
@Kong Lambchop @mattchant Russell isn't Isiah though. That's not his game. There aren't great comparables for Russell historically, largely due to the fact that he might be the best athlete to ever play the position. But Russell's game is a lot more like Allen Iverson's. I could envision Russell playing very much like AI, and having similar numbers if he got 40 mpg on his own team without another great scorer.
@Kong Lambchop @mattchant No, asking him to play the five would simply mean you don't know what the 5 is. Asking him to pass the ball more and try to play like John Stockton or CP3, instead of like Russell Westbrook, is asking him to make significant changes to his game. Russell takes a ton of shots. That's a central part of his game. It's a central part of this team. And it's central to the fact that our offense is always amazing.
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@OKC035 @mattchant @Kong Lambchop I was being facetious. Getting on Russell's ridiculous. He was out for 6 months with a major knee injury. The first injury of his life. He obviously gets a pass until at least the All-Star Break to work his way all the way back in my book.
@Kong Lambchop @mattchant What consensus? The consensus is that Russell Westbrook is a top 5 player in the NBA. You want him to make significant changes to his game. A lot of us think that's a bad idea.
@OKC035 @Kong Lambchop But Russ did it in 34 mpg, and Payton needed 42, Jordan 40. Ergo: Russell is the greatest player in the history of life.
@Kong Lambchop @mattchant When you're Russell Westbrook, or Kevin Durant, "selfish" play is often the best thing for the team. I'd much rather keep getting the Russ I'm getting than mess with his competitiveness. It's a huge part of what makes him one of the best players on the planet.
@thunderny @mattchant Lamb's shooting like 12% from the corners. He's been good on the wings, but that's a harder thing to execute, and he's been getting his shot off from there just fine.
@Kong Lambchop Their entire fan base. It's not like Russ gets a pass from the national media.
@Kong Lambchop Except that sometimes "that's just Russ" means 43-7-5 in Game 4 of the NBA Finals. He needs the chip on his shoulder to be the special player that he is. You don't sedate the lion.
@Brookies4Life If we keep winning 8 out of 9, we'll be just fine.
@Brookies4Life @duhsweetness @mattchant Why? They could make the 2nd round in the East. Teague, Millsap and Horford is a nice core, Korver's an above average SG.
@Tiggy2cold I like Russ's transition 3 when he makes it. When he misses it, I pull my hair out.
@GrapeNUTZ That's probably just frustration with him overall due to his offense. Advanced stats suggest his defense is as good as ever.
@duhsweetness @OKC035 He just has really poor floor vision. That's why we mainly put him in a corner, and don't ask him to make a tough pass. On the break, the terrible floor vision shows up.