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actually losing MS St wouldn't be a bad idea. I wouldn't suggest both, but one (MS St) would be perfect if you could add a university from North Carolina, Virginia or Oklahoma. It makes complete financial sense. Plus having 2 MS schools really doesn't help with bringing in more money. Plus they are both at the bottom in education and profitability.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Dump Or Trade SEC Schools? Won’t Happen
Maybe with the ACC and the SEC both now pretty much owned by ESPN this could happen. I don't mind playing a 9 game SEC schedule, but I do understand the complaints from Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Kentucky. Let's hope we go to 4 conferences and start a playoff similiar to the NFL. That way all schools then could play 10 games within the conference and 2 other big time schools in one of the other 3 conferences. Dream on...right?
1 year, 10 months ago on UK’s Barnhart Against A 9-Game Schedule
@John at MrSEC @mowens75
Yes that's what I've read before and on this sight. Thanks for the info and thanks for the site.
1 year, 11 months ago on SEC Network Unveiled: Our Quick Takes, Our Rapid Responses
Love it, but guessing it will not look like this when all is said and done.
1 year, 11 months ago on New $1 Billion Home Of The SEC Championship Game Pure Sci-Fi
well guess we will find out $'s per school soon enough. I'm sure they will have to get sponsors and cable partners on board before knowing for sure, but I would still think the updated ESPN deal could be figured out. Either way....great day for both SEC and ESPN. I can't wait!
So what if 6 schools in the Big 12 decided they wanted it out. Could they have a majority vote and end the GOR? Are would those 4 remaining schools get the rights to all of the TV rights? Seems like it would be hard to exist as a 4 team conference.
1 year, 11 months ago on Buck Up, Expansion Fans, You Might Be Thankful For This Unanswered Prayer
Also this is good for Notre Dame. I know most still don't believe they would ever sign on completely to a deal like this (even non football), but the ACC basically told them....Hey we dont' get this done then we go away and then you have 4 super conferences. Notre Dame does not want 4 Super Conferences becuase they will then have to join one. That in turn takes away of off the Irish's power and plus they have to go to a conference they don't want to go too (B1G, Big 12 or Pac 12). They like many know that the east coast is where the population growth seems to be and it's where the Irish wants to be offiliated with. So in the end this is good for the Irish because this keeps the Super Conferences from devoloping and they get to still eat at the big boys table.
1 year, 11 months ago on ACC Grant Of Rights Deal Could End Realignment Madness For A While
@SouthernBoiSB @mowens75 Yes I'm very suprised that FSU would ever sign this, but maybe they made phone calls and no one was answering. Also I don't think they would ever go to the Big 12 unless ACC went away and they had no choice.
@Seanbo @JB TexasEx 100% agree. This is about ESPN not letting Fox grow anymore. Fox is the one that had B1G go after Maryland and Rutgers. Plus they thought and hoped this oculd break up the ACC and they could get a couple more eastern teams. Not going to happen now and ESPN can hold on to the South and East for football. Plus I think the Big 12 is ESPN and Fox cable. That could be interesting. Remember Fox cable already has Big 12 and Pac 12. Looks like ACC is sticking around and everyone else is stuck with what they have at the moment.
Winners.....ACC, Pac 12 (didn't want to grow anymore)
SEC and Big 12 really are good either way. I think the SEC would love to add a North Carolina/Virginia schools, but ok if ACC keeps them. Big 12 needs a couple schools to add on the east to help with WV trave, but missed out when had a chance to add Louisville as one.
@SouthernBoiSB @mowens75 OK...I thought I read where the Presidents of all 15 schools had agreed on it. So not signed yet, but will be signed. Apparently something they had for the last several weeks to look over. I wonder how many phone calls went out to other conferences that last several weeks? I bet Slive's and Delany's phones were ringing.
@SouthernBoiSB no because all 15 schools agreed to this deal now.
So does the SEC annouce it's network this week? Still curious how much this is going to be worth to each school.
This stinks! I love this stuff. Actually I still think each school will have a way out of these GOR's agreements. Why would a Florida St or Vinginia ever sign this without a way out? Unlike a lot of the Big 12 schools have other options (Carolina Schools, Virginia Schools, Florida Schools, Georgia and South Carolina shools). I can Carolina schools pushing this like Texas did, but just not convinced how this would ever be good for the others. Guess these folks like stability more than I ever thought. Let's wait and see what happens, but this truly does stink for some of us. Also sure Delany will not be a happy camper if this all goes down. I don't think his master plan was to be at 14 schools. Not sure Slive will be as effected at 14, but I still believe he wants in North Carolina.
@FCDore Yes I'm sure Delaney is a little irritated but not sure he does't have another plan to get ACC schools. I really don't think it was his plan to stop at 14. So it will be interesting to see what happens next. I'm wondering if he's going to regret bringing in Maryland and Rutgers.
So maybe everyone is going after SEC teams now. HA! Just kidding. If this does happen and the expansion craze is over for a little while then I would have to say I'm very dissapointed that the SEC did not get into NC. I would have loved to ended with UNC and Oklahoma. Not sure that was ever possible, but I could always dream.
well I think it will have to be an ESPN deal with the ACC since they have all the rights to the ACC. I could see the Carolina schools pushing this. Also I'm guessing that Notre Dame will not be a part of this except when they are playings some of the ACC schedule. They did just reup the NBC deal. I still believe that these schools would have to have some type of out before signing. They would be crazy not to have something with the way everything is going.
Big news for sure. I'm a little shocked, but maybe something in the GOR gives schools such as Virginia, VTEch and Florida St away out that we don't know about.
Great info and exciting. SEC is doing this right. Can't wait!
1 year, 11 months ago on How ESPN Sets The SEC Network Apart (Even From The Net’s Texas Project)
Does anyone else believe that maybe he has Notre Dame in his hip pocket if the tide does change or at least he thinks he does?
1 year, 11 months ago on Big XII Commish: We’re Content At 10, But Our Eyes Are Open
16 will happen, but probably not this year. Actually 18 or 20 might happen. I really thought Slive would have added before the next TV deal, but I guess with the SEC network money will be added if you add new states. I'm still hoping on carolina/virginia schools. I just think when it's all over we end up with V.Tech and FSU. Virginia and probably UNC go to B1G and ACC has a hard time sticking around. I just wonder who makes the first move. My guess is Slive will let Delany go first becuase SEC has more possible options since B1G expects to take only AAU school. I think Slive is pushing for AAU schools, but doesn't have to be. B1G really should take FSU/GTech combo and then add UNC/Virginia.
2 years ago on Slive On Number Of SEC Schools: 12 “Ideal”, 14 “Cousin”, 16 “Distant Relative”
2 years ago on NCAA Recruiting Changes In Question, But Bama Keeps Hiring
2 years, 1 month ago on Alabama Tops The “Oversigning Index,” But It’s Not The All-SEC List Folks Make It Out To Be
maybe...just maybe this is about to start again....... @JRsec @AllTideUp @Roggespierre
2 years, 1 month ago on Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 4)
@John at MrSECI don't agree with what you're saying completely, but I'm sure a lot of Bama fans would say the same thing if this happeded to Auburn. I would not. I just think Saban and the University both came out very quick on this and said that they would handle this. Again I will say if they are not kicked off the team then I will be right with you, but just not understanding why it had to be day one. So guess we will just disagree on this one. By the way....I do appreciate your articles and this website. Just not agreeing on this one.Thanks
2 years, 1 month ago on Alabama Suspends Four Arrested Players
@Andy1234 I'm not sure about giving up on Carolina. I still think NC State can pull in some folks and even more once they are in the SEC. They def have better crowds at football games and they fill the stands in bball too. Also no way on Texas. Way too much drama with them and I don't think A&M and/or Mizzou would be very happy with that.
2 years, 1 month ago on Big Ten To Add More Conference Games; Is This Another Lure For UVA, GT, UNC And Duke?
@SECHog3 @TBfromWoolly Probably not much diffenent than in Arkansas. I think you guys have had some issues with the police lately and hired a coach who owed millions of dollars to others. Again....I'm sure it will be dealt with very very soon.
@Brad_ATX Yes they admitted to it, but again it's been a day. It will happen. Remember these are young men and Saban basically is in most cases the father figure. Families don't just say you're gone without talking to them first. If something is not done by the end of the week I will agree with you 100%, but just give a little time.
@RoggespierreYes UNC will probably be like Texas and hang on as long as they can since they run the conference (for the most part). I could see B1G going after UVA and GTech and have a backdoor deal with UNC if ACC falls completely apart. Which I don't think UVA and Gtech would totally destroy it, but I feel like the next move would and what the B1G could offer would not be turned down. I also agree with something that was mentioned about other sports that B1G is a part of such as Lacrosse being a major factor. By the way the next move would be FSU and someone (possibly Notre Dame, Miami, Clemson) would have an invite to the Big 12. So then i believe UNC would see it was time and it's only place that it truly fits (not fans, but administration) is B1G. So UNC and probably Duke would be invited. B1G would rather have Notre Dame instead of Duke, but not positive the Irish prefers to be in the B1G. Who knows. So UNC and Duke would make 18 teams. Now the SEC would be on the clock to take NC ST and VTech to get to 16. Probably makes the most sense, but I would still love to steal away UNC for the SEC.
are you kidding? It's been a day. So everytime something like this happens a coach should come out that day and announce the kid is kicked off the team? REALLY? Let's just let it all be told and let him handle it. Geez....I know several fans are just waiting to bash the man, but not on this. He will do the right thing, but you might not get an answer today. I love it when you're the best at whatever you do and instead of folks trying to beat you on the field they instead try to find a backdoor way to take you down. Jealousy at its finest.
ok...give it some time. These guys will be gone. Just all coming out and the University has suspended them. The rest of the punishment will come once all is conformed. Stop looking for away to make Bama look bad.
got you and agree. Just not sure how important FSU is to the B1G if they can get into Virginia, Carolina and Georgia. Well with that said I now do see that adding Florida market would be huge, but I think they will put AAU membership at top of the list with the exception of the Irish. I think the Irish gives them powerful football without having to get away from high academic standards (not aau). Also FSU and Miami have to much of a history (bad) for them to look at either.
I think UNC is the key with FSU following a close 2nd. I think once UNC leaves ACC then that conference is done. I think they can actually lose FSU and stay alive. Not a good conference, but can survive. I do think FSU is most likely to leave first, but again just can't see them going to Big 12 unless they know they don't have an option for SEC or B1G (and just not sure B1G).
I"m guessing Slive knows Delaney's next move and the same for Delaney. I think they both want in North Carolina and both would love to have UNC with or without Duke. Also think UVA is a big prize. The thing to remember is adding more markets is the key in this and if you notice the B1G doesn't seem to be getting stronger in football. SEC could get even stronger by adding some schools, but i think Slive is ok with who they are strength wise and would much rather add potential strong markets, but will eventually give in and go after some of the big time football schools to keep the BIG conferences from adding.
I think the worst thing for the SEC is for this to happen and then the Big 12 will most likely get FSU and Clemson after this. I also think they will go after Vtech and Louisville if the SEC doesn't jump on VTech first. I don't want FSU/Clemson joining the SEC unless we have to get to 16. I would much rather have NC State and VTech becuase we can expand the state/tv markets. My dream team would be UNC and UVA/Kansas, but can't see these guys not going to the B1G if the ACC goes away. Best case for the SEC is for the ACC to stay alive and keep the other 2 conferences out of the southeast. I don't think UVA/GTech to the B1G hurts, but once they get UNC/Duke we could be hurting. Only becuase I think the state of Florida opens up for Big 12. I still don't think FSU wants to go to the Big 12. I think they really want in the SEC and my guess is Slive is telling them to just hang on. In the end FSU might have to make a decision to go West, but they will hold out as long at they can for SEC or very little possibility of B1G.
UNC/UVA - heads to B1G soon
VTech/Florida St- heads to SEC
BYU/Louisville - heads to Big 12
Then you have Free Agents: Clemson, Miami, GTech, NC State, Duke, Wake, Pitt, Syacuse, BC and don't forget Notre Dame. At some point in all of this the Irish will have to move on to a conference, but they will have a choice of which one. Maybe even the PAC could be a possibility (strange but possible). Those 10 schools might decide to stick together to keep ACC, but all will be open to leaving. They can add Cincinnati and UConn to help them get to 12. Eventually the Irish chooses B1G along with GTech and then possibly Syracuse and Duke to get to 20. That's powerful! SEC and Big 12 would then competer for the rest with PAC 12 not sure what to do. I think the SEC would love to add NC State and Pitt then probably stop or maybe then add Clemson and Cinncinatti.That would leave the Big 12 not much to choose from and I don't think they will want BC/UConn (these 2 would never agree to combo) or Miami/......Wake??? Maybe if it was Miami/Clemson if the SEC stops at 18 which might be the best option. So BC/UConn/Wake/Cinnci get's left out and PAC doesn't take any of these. So now you have a B1G with 20, SEC most likely with 18, Big 12 w/14, PAC staying at 12 and ACC gone. Really not sure I believe the Big 12 is more stable than the ACC, but might workout this way. That's 64 of the best teams in one league like the NFL. It still makes more sense to equal them all out to 16 each, but not sure if that will work.
ok...I'm done. Just a little dreaming. :)
I think they will go after UVA and UNC to get to 16. Then if they can pull Notre Dame and GTech to get to 18.
@AllTideUp @JRsec @Roggespierre I'm good with that.
@Roggespierre @AllTideUp @JRsec I've wondered the same. It's got to be by this Summer...right?
@JRsec @edelswick @AllTideUp Maybe FCS goes to Friday nights. Well if they do go to Tuesday then you just have the 3 or 4 conference alternate for 2 Thursday night games or just compete with each other.
@JRsec @Roggespierre @AllTideUp i can see that all being true, but maybe they just do one SEC game on Thursday nights and one B1G game on Tuesday nights. Also maybe add the other 2 conferences on the same nights.
@edelswick @AllTideUp @Roggespierre @JRsec No Monday night games because it would be competing with NFL.
@JRsec @AllTideUp @Roggespierre So TCU and Wake Forest don't make the cut from the Big Conferences. Which I agree with, but still think BYU would possibly make it somehow. The issue is the PAC will probably not take them even if they can bring more money than most might think.
@AllTideUp @Roggespierre @JRsec I actually don't think I would mind the occasional Thursday night game. Maybe they set it as you can only play one a year. I know if I was tailgating I wouldn't like it, but for TV I don't mind it.
It's almost here...... @JRsec @AllTideUp @Roggespierre
Once we start going to 10 game conference schedules then the little guys are out. This is the beginning of the end of the NCAA football as we know it. Only 3-4 Super Conferences with 16-20 teams in each. SEC will announce soon after the B1G agrees to 10 conference games. I think that's part of the hold up with the SEC because the networks want more games.
4 Super conference with 16 teams each and in the end I think Big 12 goes away before ACC. I just think Texas does what it wants and Notre Dame keeps ACC together by joining in football (only because it has too in the end). I do think B1G goes after an ACC school or a few. SEC maybe grabs a couple ACC and a couple Big 12 schools. 4 Big 12 schools go to the PAC 12.
Should be fun. Really Wish we could have 4 Super Conferences of 16 and everyone else out. Keep 2 divisions (8 teams) in each conference and play 10 conference games (7 and 3 w/1 team being perm and rotating yearly the other 2 or maybe no perm. Not needed with new divisions). Also in the end have 2 from each division make the playoffs. So SEC would have......
1st place West vs 2nd place West or East (games played at home of 1st place team)
1st place East vs 2nd place West or East
Then winners play for final 4 birth. (game played in ATL)
This is a lot like NFL, but in the end works best.
SEC East - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, USC and one of the following in this order (Carolina School, V Tech, Vandy or Florida St)
SEC West - LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, Miss. St, Missouri, Vandy and one or two of the following in this order (Kansas, Oklahoma or Kansas St).
Dream scenario would be add UNC and Kansas. Not likely...but I can dream. Would love to add to Bball and really think UNC could be great in football if in the SEC one day (becuase good recruiting area).
So basically if you could have16 teams per 4 conferences this would work. Right now with the 5 big conferences you have 64 teams (which equals 16x4), but that's not including Notre Dame, BYU, Connecticut, Cincinnatti, Boise St, Memphis and maybe USF.So I think some of the 64 teams might be replaced with the ones mentioned above. I would say maybe 4-5 with Notre Dame and BYU being definite.
What should happen in my opinion is ACC would lose 2 Duke and Wake (could join Big East 7/Catholic 7 in B'ball conference. Big 12 lose TCU and Baylor and don't scream, but SEC lose Miss. St. ( not a lot of revenue and Mississippi really only needs one big football school). That opens 5 spots that would go to Irish, BYU, UConn, Cinnci and ......So maybe you just need to lose 4, but maybe Memphis.
So now you have....
1 ALABAMA 2 AUBURN 3 TENNESSEE 4 KENTUCKY 5 FLORIDA 6 GEORGIA 7 SOUTH CAROLINA 8 NORTH CAROLINA
9 LSU 10 VANDERBILT 11 MISSISSIPPI 12 ARKANSAS 13 TEXAS A&M 14 MISSOURI 15 OKLAHOMA 16 KANSAS
1 MICHIGAN 2 MICHIGAN ST 3 ILLINOIS 4 NORTHWESTERN 5 NEBRASKA 6 WISCONSIN 7 MINNESOTA 8 IOWA
9 INDIANA 10 PURDUE 11 PENN ST 12 RUTGERS 13 MARYLAND 14 OHIO ST 15 VIRGINIA 16 GEORGIA TECH
1 USC 2 UCLA 3 ARIZONA 4 ARIZONA ST 5 COLORADO 6 TEXAS 7 OKLAHOMA ST 8 TEXAS TECH
9 STANFORD 10 CALIFORNIA 11 UTAH 12 BYU 13 OREGON 14 OREGON ST 15 WASHINGTON 16 WASHINGTON ST
1 MIAMI 2 FLORIDA ST 3 CLEMSON 4 NC STATE 5 VIRGINIA TECH 6 WEST VIRGINIA 7 LOUSIVILLE 8 MEMPHIS (Maybe replace w/Duke)
9 PITT 10 CONNECTICUT 11 BOSTON COLLEGE 12 SYRACUSE 13 NOTRE DAME 14 CINCINNATI 15 KANSAS ST 16 IOWA ST
Maybe replace Oklahoma back with MSU and move Oklahome to PAC 16 to replace BYU.
Then we have a playoff of 16 teams and one of each confence making the final 4. Each plays 10 conference games and 2 more games against others conference. Each team will have 6 home games and more revenue because they no longer have to share with the smaller schools. Then the max games you play would be 16.
YES...I'm a nerd about this stuff, but it would work.
2 years, 1 month ago on SEC Recruiting Battles For The Biggest Names Rage On
Yep..Vtech would get screwed in this deal. Also NC State. Maybe the SEC would invite them too. I think that might be the best scenario. Still not sure Duke/ and or UNC would go to the SEC. I think they should, but just think they have a future home in the B1G. Wait and see. Hopefully this all goes down soon.
2 years, 1 month ago on How An SEC-Big XII Scheduling Alliance Could Doom The ACC
If it gets to Superconferences of 20 then I agree. We should start looking at those rival teams. The downfall to that is the B1G will expand to new markets and that means more money for them. If we go to 20 then look for them to add UVA, UNC, GTech, Syracuse, Duke and Notre Dame (or Kansas). That leaves us with 2 new markets NC and Virginia (NC State and Vtech). Then we add FSU, Clemson, and who knows the other 2. Maybe 2 more markets Pitt and W. Virginia (if Big 12 goes away). Not so sure we want to add more great football programs to the best conference if we are going to a Super Conference playoff deal.
2 years, 2 months ago on With Expansion Talk Heating Up, Here Are Four “Best-Case” Scenarios For The SEC
yep...I did forget about the Hoosiers.
I think with UNC/Duke Bball $'s can only add and plus they are national teams in Bball. Only really 3 other teams that are similiar (UK, UCLA and Kansas). I do realize football money is where it all is, but if you can get any of the 5 bball powerhouses they can bring some huge cash too (just think if you had 3 or 4 of them).
not neccassarily. Adding N Carolina, Virgina and DC market will add more $'s to everyone. All three areas add a lot more TV's then would any other market that we are already in (other than Florida and Texas - adding another in that area wouldn't help that much).
agreed for the most part, but getting into NC market is important. So if it takes go after all 3 then do it. Also would love to add such big time bball schools and high academic universities (UNC and Duke). Also would love to add UVA, but not happening either. Looks like when it is all over our best shot will be NC State and Vtech (because I don't believe B1G would take either unless something big went down). After that we can only hope B1G goes after UVA and Notre Dame and stops. Then maybe UNC would consider SEC, but then possibly they would stay with the ACC to keep it together. If that's the case then NC state would be hard to pull.