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@Christianciv @RobertAlexander Genesis 48.14-19; Genesis 17.1-7
There is no spiritual Israel replacement.
Ezekiel 37.16-22 & Isa 11.1-2,10-12 / Rom 15.12; hos 1.9-10
The Tribes who were Gods people who were divorced, both houses eventually - would be regathered in Jesus. The banishment not to be forever.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Hey theonomy, what about Luke 16:16?
@glen smith @RobertAlexander @Christianciv @lvlife
The whole should be looked at.
Remember Psalms 119.160/139.17 - the SUM of Yah's word. Yah is not the author of confusion, so when texts seem to appear at odds with each other it's our understanding which needs refinement, not wrestling with the texts to uphold a position planted in our minds.
Abrahamic covenant / lev 26.40-42
Yahweh, made many covenant's and the conditional one which was added, needed HIM alone - to release HER (Israel) from the contract to keep his word. The husband had to die some how, and he was Jesus in the flesh who dwelt among us in our flesh fully man and God with out sin.
Whenever you research the scriptures one must filter through Gods thoughts / laws & statutes & judgments, to come to the proper conclusion.
My world view is that God created ALL we know as life and elements with his word, from nothing.
His original design and plan was altered by free agents who since he counted the costs before he built, had plans which we see unfold in scripture.
Not every person on the face of the earth came from the loins of Adam/Eve, nor through Noah.
That he worked with a special treasure all through scripture, and that we are uniquely made for specific roles.
He demonstrated in the garden that HE would provide the modality of the covering of our sin Himself Alone and would do so WITH & THROUGH his creation.
The God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob is the Jesus of the NT and that there is no trinity.
That Hell is the GRAVE and that final judgment for destruction of many will be just that, an everlasting non repentant act which will stand forever once completed.
That there are NO dead now who are in Heaven per se alive or awake of conscience nature with Jesus awaiting judgment day or his return, that the final commencement of that day there's more than one type of resurrection. That WE GET 'heaven here on Earth' not some fly away space place.
That God is the ultimate promise keeper that did so from the foundation of the world knowing he would have to walk and suffer and still did it not looking back for the love of his chosen who are his remnant, the body of his bride which is separate from the other races of the earth are espoused to him in Jesus.
That the removal of Gods Names/Tetragram have lead many to incorrectly and more easily read into the texts things which they don't say. That other changes man has made to hid keys to Gods truth, such as the Sabbath, and Passover to name a few have helped build error. That if there would be no deception in deed or thought the truth would be blatantly accepted by all save perhaps a handful of people, yet we can still find that truth NOW with the love of the truth, purely in action in our process & life.... we have dominion after all, and that like a sword, it can be executed with Love and for life or with menace for death.
That our obedience, will allow us to be shown more truths and dark sayings than not, that besides repentance, baptism for the remission of sins is required to be IN Jesus.
Romans 13 is a shield against tyranny as opposed to acceptance of oppression.
ALL SIN is derived from Lust/Coveting. That most if not all violations of the law DO violate every commandment.
Once we piece some truths like God changes not, that every WORD in scripture with specificity is precisely placed for his purpose. When we realize for instance Gen 26.5 about Abraham, we can see that there was law there before if not already recognized from earlier passages.
Hope this helps.
@Christianciv ALL nations in the world?
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith יהוה, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
16The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
7Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate.
11The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out. 20Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
29Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.
I Corinthians 3:
18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
Revelation of John 3:
17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
12And Jesus having heard, said to them, `They who are whole have no need of a physician, but they who are ill;
2 weeks, 5 days ago on Hey theonomy, what about Luke 16:16?
@glen smith @Christianciv @lvlife Boy good question, and I'm about to leave Vegas to California with son, and yesterday his first words after seeing the Grand Canyon, was Praise Jesus you are a wonderful Creator. Not everyone can see that, some see MILLIONS of years. It's a paradigm or world view, and because of the ROAD MAP that which you have used to decode the bible, as to your confusion.
ALWAYS keep in mind the SUM of Yah's word is truth PSA 119.160
17How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O El! how great is the sum of them!
7The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
7The law of יהוה is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of יהוה is sure, making wise the simple.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I Samuel 15:
22And Samuel said, Hath יהוה as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of יהוה? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
I Corinthians 7:
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of יהוה.
15Oיהוה Elohim of Israel, thou art righteous: for we remain yet escaped, as it is this day: behold, we are before thee in our trespasses: for we cannot stand before thee because of this.
172My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
8O taste and see that יהוה is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
You need to determine what laws were BEFORE the COVENANT and keep in mind the Abrahamic Covenant... then see what was added 430 years AFTER - that's a key.
FACT is, there was prior existence of Yah's laws, even back to the Garden. Without LAW there is no SIN.... RIGHT. God is the same YESTERDAY & today & FOREVER, his MORALITY and therefore moral laws can not cease, nor our obligation to them.
You've got to learn WHY, using the OLD TESTAMENT, why YAH was required to come in the flesh.
Isaiah 54:5: For thy Maker is thine husband; יהוה of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The Elohim of the whole earth shall he be called.
5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
OBEDIENCE, dying to self and an internal instead of external process... Reason it out, use integrity therefore equity and yes a hunger for the harmony of Yahs word of pure truth.
Revelation of John 22:
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
2 weeks, 6 days ago on Hey theonomy, what about Luke 16:16?
Presseth INTO IT
@Psk6565 @LeeCarter go back to the garden, there was law all through the ot not just where the marriage too place.
3 weeks, 5 days ago on A lost-and-found treasure: When America’s pastors boldly preached politics, resisted tyranny, and founded a nation on the Bible
@Psk6565 @RobertAlexander @ScottPWilliams That was not your question, see you don't even comprehend the smallest things, until you can even comprehend RIGHTLY the BIBLE, in harmony - it's fruitless to play with the big boys
@Psk6565 @ScottPWilliams I'd first worry about getting all your doctrine from Genesis to the NT in line before worrying about what this is, it's splint along with many more debates into many camps.
In a nut shell, that the end times has substantially or fully past - it's about a paradigm, everyone has one, so your world view plays a role. The KEY, is to follow Jesus, which requires you to LUST AFTER the truth with all your heart, DIE TO SELF wherever you can as you grow, Filter all your thoughts with HIS WORD therefore HIS LAW, STATUTES, JUDGMENTS, taking the SUM of his word not any specific portion against another but the harmony of ALL, etc etc etc.
BE VERY careful when anyone says ALL.
Some thing for certain, is that when we die we all go to hell, all are raised - some to life and some to destruction.
@longesthorn What is the gospel?
How does one become Christian?
Exactly what was nailed to the cross?
Why, from the Old Testament alone, was Yahweh required to come in the flesh and die?
@paroikos NT ONLY, why are you so opposed to the OT?
Do you some how see Jesus as anyone OTHER than FATHER Yahweh?
Was Jesus NOT a LAW DOER? Where did Jesus ever violate the law? Can't he was sinless.
AS I Stated: BOTH PARTIES were to be BROUGHT, the man & the woman... this did not happen, TRUE or false?
Since TRUE, the parties WHO brought the woman, were in violation of that law and were false witnesses SUBJECT to the same penalty they were asking for.
There's so much more but one who's licking vomit could not comprehend the smaller or there weightier matters of the law, and you can't even rationalize ANYTHING from scripture unless you first FILTER ALL THOUGHT through the law - I speak to those who know the law. Amen
3 weeks, 6 days ago on A lost-and-found treasure: When America’s pastors boldly preached politics, resisted tyranny, and founded a nation on the Bible
@LeeCarter @RobertAlexander @paroikos Every Word of God is PURE/Flawless, Proverbs 30.5, and we are to take the SUM of his word as truth PSA 119.160/139.17 yet they claim with their lips, and do not so do the things in equity. Integrity, either is of value, or we prize our fallen nature above truth, to serve self... DYING to self, is something many won't partake.
@LeeCarter @paroikos And BOTH PARTIES were to be BROUGHT, the man & the woman, where was the man, even if they were not guilty before God on a clean hands issue they were bearing false witness, therefore not loving their brother et al.... this story is so deep with truth, one can't begin to uncover it unless one knows the law.
@LeeCarter @paroikos hey, why did Jesus be required using the OT Alone, why did Yahweh come in the flesh? you do believe he was Yahweh, right?
Duh, THAT's NOT our FOUNDING, the COLONIALS were, that was ONLY the end game of that era to bring us user subjugation of man rather than JESUS. That's a fine set of books to study, read, and even dissect unbiblical sermons as well as good biblical teachings with those who have eyes to see, who know the law, and use it as a filter.
You wanna look at foundations, LOOK to the UNMOVABLE Rock Jesus, the Creator Yahweh of the world and all therein.
4 weeks ago on A lost-and-found treasure: When America’s pastors boldly preached politics, resisted tyranny, and founded a nation on the Bible
How about having only cops shoo love their brother as self, and apply equity despite an unjust world. Repairing that integrity would far do better than considering guns removal.
1 month ago on Is it Time to Disarm the Police?
@GaryLincoln @RobertAlexander Don't let pride get in your way Gary.
1 month, 1 week ago on Blasphemy and Freedom
@GaryLincoln @RobertAlexander Just remember the sum of Gods word. Always finding 2-3 witnesses and do so several levels deep. Using his law as a filter in all things, avoiding your own understanding as best you can. If you do want to harmonize his word then study every word and read the whole bible cover to cover in great detailed reflection. You can should expect to spend all day or a weekend or a week on just one word, on one verse.
@GaryLincoln @RobertAlexander Don't have one & not gonna share. If you wan't direction - 'Pi' & Fibonacci are clues along with the Arc (Both), Genesis 1 mainly 1.1 and inclusive and through Ge3.all - in fact Gen 1 also contains OTHER scripture NOT within our 66 books, one of which is a book on his Name with of his name inclusive of the whole cites mentioned.
Yahweh will direct those he wants to discover that secret hidden in plain sight. It takes a special way of reading the "originals" we have letter by letter. I was lead to it in other studies and scripture which I applied the teachings to the texts and it came alive.
I would rather have you spend your time harmonizing the whole of scripture before even KNOWING the spoken name as you call it of God... his actual NAME is very long anyway and is as short as already revealed in Scripture - think on the LAW and name in vain etc when you look into it would be my suggestion.
ALL scripture is tied together and Messiah is on every page... start to see that first and am sure if your meant to find the discovery you will if not, so what. I've only told a couple people who had dreams about it but didn't understand their dreams, and therefore as I explained they almost in unison were completing my sentences... it was meat for them & myself. ALL you need is contained in the Psalms & Prophets, and until you can see what I mentioned above, you're not even in the race for it IMHO Dear Gary.
I do wish you grace & mercy for uncovering much richness and perfecting the revealed truth to your fleshly understanding.
@GaryLincoln @RobertAlexander LOL, limited scripture, funny... you have the start of what you need there, I suggest you dig into it and do research outside the scriptures, since resting in the sum of Gods word has not sown you what you need. I've use to read when my eyes were fresh 36 bibles in parallel, line by line, when you've been exposed to such a vast array of Yah's word the blunt truth is exposed on your conscience. There even is a way to find Gods or at least a portion of his LONG very very LONG and descriptive name which I've discovered and not revealing using Genesis 1-2-3 & the MSS (wich also proves every book in bible btw,) his NAME is as long as books of the bible, and a song and includes Yoshua, Joshua, Yahoshua, Christos, Messiah, Everliving Self Existent One, etc etc etc & yes YAH and Yahweah & Jesus... even adversary or the satan --- but to fly understand it you'd have to study the whole which 99% of Christians can't even stay on the same page on the simple things... HIS name LINES UP with ALL of scripture, and IS the Promise keeper that he is. That LMITED scripture above should be the only tools you need to get started to see... the rest is on you Gary, uncover the matter or ignore it, ON YOU. I do not need to prove anything. And your questions asked are because you lack some foundation, not using the milk of your Gods word to create the proper filters to uncover the dark secret sayings of scripture and how to opt them up and when to relax your grip for the sake of clarity, I hope you do uncover the underpinnings necessary for this to be obvious. I wish you the best, and I will leave you with this:
"""in the most accurate manuscripts THE NAME occurs in Hebrew characters, yet not in today's Hebrew""
Isaiah 34.16Seek ye out of the book of יהוה, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
II Thessalonians 2.3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
I Timothy 4.1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Proverbs 22.26Become not surety from respect of a man's person.
Exodus 23.23; 34.11 / Acts 7.14;ge 46.27; ex 1.5 / 2 Kings 8.26; 2 Chronicles 22.2
Now I'd take all that little amount of scripture which you have not reflected in and reflect with what I added here, and actually investigate the texts of the scriptures first, before you ask questions. May Yahweh have his light cast before thee to gather gleanings and harvest abundance.
Matthew 22.37 & Mark 12.29 & Luke 4.12/ De 6
Matthew 22.44 / Ps 110
Matthew 23.39 / ps 118.26
Luke 4:18-19/ Isa. 61.1-2
Luke 20.37 / Ex 3.4-6
Luke 11.52Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Psalms 22.22I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Psalms 68.26Bless ye Elohim in the congregations, even יהוה, from the fountain of Israel.
We ALL KNOW that Jesus fulfilled EVERY prophecy perfectly, don't we.
Luke 4.3 & Deuteronomy 8.3; verse four: Jesus answered- answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of יהוה.
Jesus' teaches were based upon the Old Testament & drawing information from it placing himself in it's relation... how could he do that without using Yahweh's name?
Phil 2.9-11/ ISA 45.21-24
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3.15 And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Genesis 4.26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of יהוה
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. The fear of יהוה is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
When REGULAR people properly correct Yah's name, passages BOLT UP unlike with the use of GOD or LORD:
Luke 1.68Blessed be יהוה Elohim of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Isaiah 54.5 For thy Maker is thine husband; יהוה of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The Elohim of the whole earth shall he be called.
Revelation of John 1.8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith יהוה, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Isaiah 41.4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I יהוה, the first, and with the last; I am he. Revelation of John 22.13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Isaiah 42.8I am יהוה: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Jeremiah 16.21Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is יהוה.
Ezekiel 36.22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Sovereign יהוה; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Isaiah 52.1Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O O Jerusalem....
6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
7How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy Elohim reigneth!
8Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when יהוה shall bring again Zion.
Isaiah 44.24 Thus saith יהוה, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am יהוה that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
YAHWEH the ultimate and perfect promise keeper is the GOOD NEWS.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Blasphemy and Freedom
Yahweah the Everliving Our One True Self Existing Creator the risen Jesus, has had HIS name altered like Passover & Sabbath is altered in our history to hide the real truth.
The fact is, with Gods titles, names, and reflective capacities removed from Scripture, it does allow the common person who is not applying certain laws to the texts to FILL IN the blanks with their subjective opinions even contrary to what they claim they know is right from wrong. Their yardstick is slack and their conclusions without quality control.
@DebbieBinder LOOK at the original scripts Debbie, why would a God who lists his names and titles many many thousands of times wish we not leave them in... in fact they help to clearly see the full bible for what it states instead of people having confusion over what's going on if they would simply reapply the terms in proper order and reflect in HIM would be easier for the majority to see.
2 months ago on Prophecy Writers Making Predictions Again
Consider hearing the whole counsel of God.
In fact most people don't even understand the covenants.
If man would read the bible with Gods names & titles in there instead of the injected perversion LORD or GOD then they would see the OT God is the NT God and they would carefully direct his word without falling on their swords.
Bottom line is, even IF these clowns were, it's irellevant according to Gods word.
Go first learn who the Gentiles are instead of imposing your prconstruct beliefs into the texts, go do well on some of the smaller things then more will be given
2 months, 1 week ago on Prophecy Writers Making Predictions Again
@parkerdw1 It was SOLD other than its purported charted use, but the utility of it is antichrist - rejecting Gods Ten Commandments should tell us something about it even if the true authentic was adhered, much less the secret handshakes of a false religion the masons et al the buttressed refuse heaped juxtaposed our Colonial brethren
2 months, 2 weeks ago on We have returned to ground zero for liberty; fix this or else
@Dark Puritan They NO LONGER know their place. They TRUE even man made AUTHORITY, which is supposed to be under God... IS VERY VERY VERY LIMITED.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Deadly justice: Ferguson and beyond
@schultz812 I was replying in reference to you regarding ""chattel slavery because of Romans 13"" not about the article. Men do what they do because Gods laws are not in their minds and actions.
@schultz812 THE PEOPLE are considered CHATTEL property for a long time now, what does that say?
Bottom line, SLAVERY is approved in some instances by God and is under a Godly system going to bless everyone, under mans system, men of all races even MANY many white slaves are always oppressed. It's all determined what's written on the hearts of the people with the slaves - DO THEY HAVE YAHWEH's LAWS on their hearts and therefore IN THEIR HANDS doing them in equity PRESERVING LIFE & RESTORING WHERE REQUIRED just as God want's - OR, do they as often the case PERVERT IT, and step on the necks of those below them.
It's the application, or eradication of Gods laws that reflect this. Even those who claim to be Christians, you can tell if they really are whether they discount GOD and his Holy Order by doing away with the law in it's place with GRACE alone... TRULY DOUBLE MINDED. Jesus saying they are UNSTABLE IN ALL THEIR THINKING/ways.
@Joe Mudd ZERO contradictions. I've looked hard for many years 14-18 hour days looking... finally gave up. Anyone who claims there is, is a TOOL and has no integrity, no equity in judgment. Then again one must brainwash oneself into that belief or face cold hard truths - they are men without nuts who believe as such, cowards in the truest regards, cowards to honestly look at not only themselves but evidences ALL around inclusive OR exclusive of the Holy Scriptures.
@schultz812 Glad you see the contradiction, many professing Christians can't because they listen to men preaching who are wolves in steeple clothing as opposed to investigating scripture on it's own. Romans 13 only applies if the Govt is in obedience to God... IE Yahweh, the risen Messiah known as Jesus.
@JohnBPachol @RobertAlexander @TedRWeiland How does one rightly judge if an institution is biblical ?
I'd suggest you do a long study on the TITHE. it's more depth and breath than you think.
The way you'd start is to train REAL bible law believing people to get on and stay in a GRAND JURY, CASTING DOWN the imaginations of the wicked. That's ONE FOOT or wedge under the door. The only way to do add fuel to fire and get the CHANGE to come is to have the military back the movement but you already have to have a whole plan including ALL the pieces to the chess table before they will be the muscle to over throw the wicked institutions we have in place.
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@TruthMatters61 Even with ZERO witnesses, and given the story - and seeing the hard physical evidence of the bullet holes in the corpse, one HAS TO without wavering conclude theres ONLY one way those woulds could be inflicted. ALL one has to do IS THINK even looking at where they landed - WHICH came first - the chicken or the egg, the Chicken naturally... you don't go from getting hit in the eye and top of skull to down the shoulder and hand.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Deadly justice: Ferguson and beyond
@JohnBPachol @TedRWeiland Religious or charitable ?
Got to have a better defined requirement, and why 10%, what is income ?
There is not any step but the biblical steps. And I know not one in office which qualify.
@TruthMatters61 LOOK at the bullet holes in the drawing for the corpse... looks like it lines up with the story.
But why would we want to consider all the implications, character, evidences, lets just allow our unequally yoked reason those sneaky double minded opinions rule our emotions and reign for us the direction of illusion.
@DarrenCamp1 Hey wise one, Sum up the bible in a paragraph and don't leave anything out.
3 months, 1 week ago on What Would Jesus Do? Not what this liberal says He would do
Where are you on the LAWS statutes judgments ?
@ThirstyJon @Markurious Why was she not convicted by Jesus judicially to be put to death?
She was not rightly brought to him for a conviction to stand.
Had the men been righteous, and she guilty - you'd of seen different testimony.
You've got to know the law.
Isaiah 45.20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto an el that cannot save.
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I יהוה? and there is no Elohim else beside me; a just El and a Saviour; there is none besides me.
@paroikos For we know that the law is spiritual....
It's about Justification, how and why... Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.....But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.... Unless you BOLT all law in harmony you will mist the largest unified story in the whole bible, a theme that too many despise or neglect while replacing their rendition over Gods revelations throughout the whole of Scripture...
Do you know why the Mosaic Covenant or even what it was, hat it was ADDED.
What existed prior?
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of יהוה in the Messiah, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? For יהוה of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
Know ye NOT the bible story the whole story of even WHY Yahweh in the flesh was required to come... you must first KNOW the laws of God and filter your biblical reading in their light in harmony without wrestling one scripture against another to see the whole picture:
1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
5For thy Maker is thine husband; יהוה of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The Elohim of the whole earth shall he be called.
17Thus saith יהוה, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am יהוה thy Elohim which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in יהוה, who created all things by Jesus the Messiah:
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in the Messiah Jesus our Master:
3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of יהוה, to the house of the Elohim of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of יהוה from Jerusalem.
3 months, 1 week ago on We have returned to ground zero for liberty; fix this or else
Unto thee lift I up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens.
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland Proverbs 19.21There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of יהוה, that shall stand.
I John 3
4Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.
11Because this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love each other.
12Not as Cain. He was of the wicked, and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were wrong, and his brother's right.
Thus saith the Sovereign יהוה; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
3 months, 2 weeks ago on What Would Jesus Do? Not what this liberal says He would do
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @GaryLincoln @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland
Absolute, okay then build from here a better construction.
Answer the Gal 3.16-17 question
Gal 3.17; speaking about Abrahamic Covenant / Mosaic Covenant ???
EXPLAIN your position in light of that Ray,
You may want to meditate on a few verses down
Galatians 3.19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
NOTE above: the word ADDED
It was WHAT WAS, Mosaic covenant
WAS ADDED because of Transgression - till the Seed Jesus should come
1 John 3.4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.
Raymond, there was a LAW, Yah's Morality in effect prior to this other law which was added and the prior law still remains as we are to move back INTO Yah's Plan.
How does the whole law hang on the two foremost commandments - Love God, Love Brother? For this is the love of יהוה, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Loving and following God is not rejecting his morality is not creating our own get out of jail free cards...we are in a relationship with him under HIS TERMS as a result of LAW.
LACK of LOVE & Transgression transferred the Abrahamic Covenant people through the desert into an Mosaic people, should we not get back to the design of LOVE and our abundance of that Love without transgressions to what existed prior to the Mosaic covenant apply. The GOAL of our instruction is Love out of a PURE heart... I fully suggest you do a bible study on words terms and phrases, use an outline a white board or whatever you need to visualize Yah's truth Russell.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of יהוה, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was set apart, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of favour?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith יהוה. And again, יהוה shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.
32But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @GaryLincoln @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland Would you agree that whatever was in force & represented Gods morality PRIOR to the Mosaic Covenant, is still in effect?
Explain Gal 3.16-17
Romans 7.22For I delight in the law of יהוה after the inward man...25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!) To sum up then, with my understanding, I--my true self--am in servitude to the Law of God, but with my lower nature I am in servitude to the Law of sin.
@RaymondRoss @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland Per chance do you mean Matthew 22.35-40 i.e.
The whole of the Law and the Prophets is summed up in these two Commandments.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It's actually the first which requires the other, but I digress.
What also you're missing is that GRACE was ALWAYS a part of the Plan, it was not ADDED, it was here before the Mosaic Covenant.
Your looking at a portion of a truth without unearthing the rest of the elements which reveal why the coin was placed in the mouth of the fish for tax gathering.
@RaymondRoss @GaryLincoln @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland Ray, first and foremost are you able without aid from the NT to demonstrate WHY Jesus was required to come and die?
Romans 5.11And not only so, but we also joy in יהוה through our Saviour Jesus the Messiah, by whom we have now received the atonement. - Deut 21.8
Your beloved NIV has many chinks you should be aware in it's LACK of contents:
Matthew 9.13but having gone, learn ye what is, Kindness I will, and not sacrifice, for I did not come to call righteous men, but sinners, to reformation (unto repentance.') - the NIV leaves OUT TOO many essential elements in her texts alone.
Colossians 1.14in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,
How can a Christian become one even without that repentance and then that CONTACT with the blood?
That LAW the Mosaic, you've still neglecting to comprehend there was a FOUNDATION BEFORE. gal 3.16-17
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @cajunliberty7 Raymond, since you've not comprehended the whole, then do yourself a favor and reflect in stages until you can walk.
I made question: So what is the NEW Covenant?
You made a reply.
My response was: Nice Stretch, read Jer.
Jer. or Je is short for Jeremiah.
Go read the book Jeremiah... especially since the exact place you need, you really need what's before and after. for several chapters... actually the WHOLE book, there's other many books you need too, but a baby's going to puke so until you can hold down milk, just do a due diligence study of Jeremiah - if you do it right, you'll see a lot of assumed doctrines fall away.
If you also have a chain reference bible, hopefully you have a half way decent one, many are trash - look at the NT verses there in Jeremiah, and read them.
It's ALL New Testament stuff, in fact what you call the OT, a vast majority of it is NT STUFF.
@RaymondRoss @GaryLincoln @Richard Frank @TedRWeiland Double minded man unstable... what is politics but religion in action ?
Think on your misunderstanding as in the word BILL.
Bill is a mans name
Bill is what you have at the end of a hat
Bill is also found in a wallet or on a webbed foot little creature.
See Bill comes in many form, as to does the LAW. trouble is, if one goes in with a built in prejudice as to what terms means, it can be easy to mistake when someone else was referring to another aspect of the term.
Instead of reading into something, make yourself a challenge to KNOW as much truth as you can about this in a given time - start Here:
Galatians 3.17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of יהוה in the Messiah, the law,that came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not set aside, to make void the promise,
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @cajunliberty7 Nice Stretch, read Jer.
The post you just made will help you untangle your misunderstanding of the law with all of scripture once you know more of the bible story as it tells it, on it's own without some commentator or teacher... remember what was added which was removed and your verbacide because of pride is why you're in controversy.
The answer to that question is in both the NT & OT, but that's not the kicker, the surprise at the end of the rainbow is a very full unraveling of all of Gods word where it bolts together so much so you can see Messiah on every page and you will realize exactly who he IS & WHY he came & it was NOT what you were TAUGHT.
@AmyAkins @RobertAlexander Just a poser I see, and one who lacks skill in bible tales because it's just her babble speak... Tagged you.
@RaymondRoss @TedRWeiland If it is in fact white washed - Matthew 23.28 so also ye outwardly indeed do appear to men righteous, and within ye are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
In fact it will heed you well to consider the conviction from your own lips which you've refused to look at because you'd condemn yourself in honesty if you actually looked - verse 26 Blind Pharisee! cleanse first the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside of them also may become clean.
That's all I was getting at earlier and you went WOW - asinine.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on What Would Jesus Do? Not what this liberal says He would do
@RaymondRoss @RobertAlexander @TedRWeiland Isaiah 28.13But the word of יהוה was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Am therefore assuming that you've never BEEN IN Christ according to scripture; a simple sinners prayer with an outward sign to reflect an inward grace abounds well with thee, CLOSE ?
Ever figure out what a Covenant is?
Hint: I would use a dictionary and a concordance and be sure to do the Berean due diligence! - except you won't will you.
Whoso is returning evil for good, Evil moveth not from his house.
When you're ready to even a smidgen, die to yourself, rethink your judgments and cast down your false gods & idols.