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 @chamuiel  @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman "To be honest, every time I see or hear a woman saying she is a feminist, I start getting to run, because I know she is going to be trouble."

agreed ... like I said ... her problem is herself .... and it is now past 12 .... I am done with her as she just refuses to take look at herself ...

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 @chamuiel  @ilsinglemom3  @MikeYoung  @Evermyrtle actually, Paul was just so focused on spreading the word that he is so adamant in not allowing anything interfere with it  in his life ... and he would like to see same thing in all of us ... it is not sex ... but the marriage itself that he wrote about ... about being distracted by having to please his wife and "things that are of this world" ... that includes in laws, etc ...

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 @chamuiel  @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman I know, I noticed that ... ignored it as it does not change the facts of scriptures ... I am nothing ... but scriptures are the focus and I am trying to keep it there ...

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman a good husband would respect women ... I know of many men in monogamous marriages that does not respect women ... does that make monogamy wrong?

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 @chamuiel  @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman yes, it occurred to me, but they (wives in polygamous marriages) told me that it is not true ... women in the household tend to synchronize their periods to be similar to each other ... I can't say much else as it is not an area I know much of ...

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 @chamuiel  @ilsinglemom3 yes ... after all those words ... when i see "feminist" ... it explains it all! her problem is herself!

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman Matthew 19 only refers to marriage, that it is permanent. The man can be married to one woman several times over, as per instructions in the Torah. Yahshua would never contradict the Law, and never did.

Paul confirmed it in 1 Corinthians 7.

And ... most interestingly,, there is NO verses anywhere that polygamy is condemned! It is even commanded by Him in some cases.

 

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 @thethinman agreed ... honesty counts ... it wasn't with that lesbian ... words were twisted, to be more comfortable with herself.

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 @thethinman I know even KJV wasn't translated properly ... that is why I go into Greek and Hebrew a lot ... NIV is in my library and I use it too ... I was stirred when it first came out until I came across some things that caused me to question it ... After checking it out, I found that fact of that lesbian, and it fits into the picture well, of how it happened.

I know of a lot of Christians who would swear by the NIV, and same is true for KJV and other versions ... I do not go by them, until I have checked out the Greek and Hebrew, and compared it with history and a lot of other things ... it was a very slow and torturous process for me, but eventually it all came out ... it was worth it!

The truth of Christianity is shocking ... even the history of believers in the 13 colonies is shocking ...

Did you know that it was illegal to celebrate Christmas here back then among the believers, and it was nothing during the Revolutionary War? That it was made popular in mid 1850's when the Irish Catholics came here enmasse? The Catholics were the same ones the early believers came here to get away from, rejecting their pagan holidays etc ...

Christians are the same as Muslims, moving in all over, spreading their versions and infecting/burying the truth. Go back to the source, the Jewish scriptures, and that includes both "Testaments".

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 @thethinman Always ... when I see that, it is because the dictionaries were not looked into ... I have nothing to say to you until you did in fact look into several dictionaries for yourself, and see what it really means.

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman Nope, you misunderstood my point about the lesbian ... I rather scriptures that was translated by godly people, in the exactly the same way you would reject words words of a non practicing Christian.

Lesbians do have an agenda. Not only them, but anyone who has issues, including Christians. NIV had some verses modified, to be more friendly to liberal train of thought that is not scriptural.

Although you say you are conservative, it is interesting you say you are a feminist ... that may be the source of your problem, as it is rejection of God's plan for man and woman.

That is why it is important to be like Bereans, actually checking the scriptures making sure things were so. Get things into our hearts out of scriptures, rather than our hearts into the scriptures!

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman "Jesus would have mentioned man and women when he talked about marriage but he never did. Only about one man and one woman." Where in the scriptures?

Why would Paul write, in a certain way that includes polygamy? This is not well known but there are several places in his writings where this is found.One is in 1 Corinthians 7 I will explain that one further, if you want. That one is very powerful!

Again, as per His instructions in Exodus, it was demanded in some cases ... showing that it is accepted by Him, and He did kill a man for refusing to do so!

""Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people." Deut. 4:6

Be very careful not to call what He said is good evil, ... You are rejecting His instructions, and thus breaking Law.

Sorry ... polygamy is accepted by Him and there is nothing bad about it.

 

 

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman as a rule, I use KJV, even tho I do compare it with at least 2-3 other versions. I have got about ten versions here and do access others online. NIV is generally OK, but I am a little leery of it ... one of the translators is a lesbian for one thing ... I do go into Greek and Hebrew a lot

A thought just came to me ... I am curious ... in KJV ... I have this for verse 10, after " If he take him another wife,  " it has "her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall be not diminish." do you?

this is interesting ... according to KJV, after he takes another, he shall not diminish those things ... only logical reason for him to "diminish" is that he now has to provide for two and maybe has to diminish it in some ways as it may prove to be too much for him ... if he was not married already, then why would he diminish and from what levels, since then he is doing what he would be doing for one wife anyway!

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman OK ... first ... according to Ex 21, man can be married and still marry another, as per His instructions ...this has to be understood and accepted ... this is also supported by the meaning of the word "adultery", too ... this should form the foundation that it is not adultery for a married man to be with another woman, but is fornication if he does not marry her and correct that omission.

As to Abigail ... she was married to another man, not David's brother! Yes, David married her after her husband died, while having other wives.Same for Saul, Solomon, Moses, and so many others ... it was common ...

Another well known story that fits in this brother's wife subject would be Ruth ... I have to dig further for other examples besides that example of seven brothers in the discussion with Yahshua ..., but one thing that is shown in that 7 brothers discussion is that it is well known and common among the Jews.

Exodus 22:16-17 was not rape, as the word is "entice", meaning that she was wooed, etc into the act ...

"They always seemed unmarried." ... it may "seem" that way, but there is nothing in scriptures that makes it a rule. Rather, in history and scriptures, the men tend to be married ... in fact, in the Jewish society, men wouldn't be leaders if they were not married! That is the basis of such as 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus, that the man has to prove himself of being able to run the house before he can be leader in the ekklessia!

 

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman "Sometimes I think that you are mixed up with those Jewish books that came after the Old Testament that Christians don't follow." 

I think you are referring to the Talmud and the Mishnah ... I don't follow them either ... but I do look at them to see if there is anything that would shed light on some Jewish thought, etc ... and I do also look at history, archeology, etc etc ... but my guidance is strictly on scriptures themselves first, with lots of prayers and the Spirit ...

 

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman Almost immediatedly after declaring "Thou shall not commit adultery" in Ex 20:14, Yahweh then set down rules in Ex 21:10 for a man to have "another" wife while the first is still living ... according to Christians it is adultery, but here, obviously HE doesn't think so!

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman another is in EX 22:16-17

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman yes I see where you were responding from ... first of all ... look up the word "adultery" in several bible dictionaries ... it is the woman who breaks her marriage ... and the man who did it with her, who is not her husband ... that is the bottom line ... and the definition of adultery that Christians often go wrong on ...

one of those passages is Deut 22 ... it speaks of single unbetrothed woman marrying man who laid with her without the benefit of marriage ... we can see the same thing as in man having to marry the widow to give his dead brother a son to continue his line (what if first three kids were girls?) it never mattered if he was married already ... he just gotta do it

will continue looking for other passages along the same line and share them with you when I find them

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 @ilsinglemom3  @thethinman finally something specific ... what verses are you referring to, that "I was claiming" ...? I will provide exact references if you could help me narrow it down as I have mentioned so many things here ...

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 @thethinman  @ilsinglemom3 Yes, you are correct ... only one fine point ... a married man going with a single woman is not adultery either ... it is called fornication ... check the meaning of adultery in at least several bible dictionaries and you will see that is true ... in such cases, that married man is required to marry that single woman according to the Torah, the Law set down by Yahweh ... while for adultery, the requirement is death. Interestingly, it would cause polygamy in such cases!

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 @thethinman  @ilsinglemom3 beautifully said ... I was a "Christian" pastor, until little problems I came across in my studies convinced me to do a deep research, which revealed the truth of the pagan background of the Christianity and how it hid the truth ...

Everyone who knows me in real life knows that I spent hours and hours everyday for all those years doing nothing but going into the word, and yet she she said "you think you understand it better than those who really cares about God's word and living it? As if I don't? On what grounds is she saying it?

I was/still am willing to share those things with anyone who would study them in the spirit of Bereans ... but what do I see? Most of them are just swine just like this one, refusing to be noble. Like I said ... no change in attitude after tonight will only cause me to shake the dust off my sandals ... guess she will hear those words at the judgement seat.

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@  ilsinglemom3  BTW ... about his well known words at the final judgement to those who believe, but were rejected ... "Depart from me you workers of iniquity" ... Iniquity in Greek means against Law ... Law breaking ... Law is the Torah, and it is exactly where you will find things that supports polygamy in direct words of God ... (and not only there, either) ...

Christians are well known for rejecting the Law and are who those words were/are/will be directed to!

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by the way ... I am Jewish believer in Yahshua, following the commandments because I love Him, and looking forward to the near coming return of His ...

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 @ilsinglemom3 at least you got something right ... I am not a Christian ... was ... left after years of intensive research into history and scriptures revealed that Christianity is an impostor religion imposed onto us by a completely pagan Roman emperor ... The true apostolic movement was a totally Jewish one, proclaiming the restoration of the Davidic kingdom and restoration of Israel ... about my being selfish ... haven't you read anything? I have met thousands of women who would never consider a monogamous marriage and what I have seen was that it was a blessing to a lot of them ... no they are even Christian, Jewish, non-believers, Islamic or whatever ... if selfishness is a concern of yours ... what about the fact that there are countless women who couldn't find a husband, due to the fact that historically, there are always more women than men ... You are part of the problem in denying them a chance at a godly marriage ...

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 ilsinglemom3.  deafy.  onecitizenoftherepublic. LOL

still not using scriptures but using your own thinking, and superficial readings of scriptures ... I have suggested for us to go thru scriptures like those noble Bereans, checking things to see if they were true ... nothing from you on that since ... that says a lot about you and a lot of other Christians!

I have decided after today not to share with you if there is no change in your attitude as Yahshua said not to cast pearls before the swine

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 @chamuiel  @thethinman  @Evermyrtle @ chamuiel ...

"He did say that it was preferrable for a man not to think about sex, because it would cause a man difficulty in doing God's work, and getting into Heaven."

 

Actually, it was not "sex" ... but being distracted by needing to keep wife happy and content in home ... it is not all about satisfying her sexual needs, but also everything else that a normal husband would give a mind to ... clothing, food, shelter, comfort in times of distress, dealing with in-laws, etc etc

and it was not even partly for "getting into heaven" ... you can't earn it ...

Paul's mind was set on doing the work, to spread the gospel, going all out to get the message out and it was his true desire that we all be able to do so totally, too ...

But he was realistic, admitting that not all men has his gift of being able to be without women, and that it is good to be married, even going as far as requiring it in some cases ...

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 @ilsinglemom3  @PaulSmith  @sscannell05  @Festerhawg  @ ilsinglemom3  yes, you described Joseph Smith perfectly, and that is why it is all a mess ...today's Mormon church had hidden a lot of those facts and presented a different face to the world today, teaching a lot of things opposite of what Joseph Smith taught to be eternal.

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 @sscannell05

Having wives is never adultery ... adultery only happens when any man who goes with a woman who is married to another man.

What you said about "felt woman need to be married" is true in a lot of cases, not only among Mormons ... it is created into us and a part of us as a part of His design.

This is why it happens often that a good man would naturally have another ... and often it is another unmarried woman.

But, unfortunately causing a cry of "ADULTERY" by misinformed and non-scriptural Christians, who would cause this to be a problem.

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 @ilsinglemom3 "The second he married for political reasons. God was not going to condemn something that was cultural because he did not want anybody getting confused about who he is and what the focus is."

Wow ... where did you find that in scriptures?

BTW, I said Moses had three ... not two.

in 2 Samuel 12:8, God gave David wives and would have done more if those weren't enough! He gave many others wives and considered it a good thing.

He required it in some cases, with a death penalty if refused ... are you saying He was only doing all that for "political" reasons, too?

BTW ... He does not care about "culture"! He is righteous, and condemned Sodom and Gomorrah even tho they may be living their form of "culture"!

And ... He (God you say you worship) has two wives ... is that for "political" reason, too?

Your "Christian" doctrine is a proverbial can of worms!

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 @onecitizenoftherepublic in the most basic and simplest form ... there is no difference ... it is common in a lot of other places that are not Jewish, Islamic, Mormon, Christian, or whatever else, too.

In individual cases ... some are good set-ups and some aren't ... same is true in monogamous marriages too

If kept in perspective, things tend to average out in pretty good society ... it was all a part of His creation, and still is ...

Modern Western Christianity messed it up royally, calling good evil and evil good, despite of what is written in scriptures.

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 @sscannell05

Adultery in scriptures is defined as a man going with a woman who is married to another man. With adultery, it is a death sentence, as per His commandment.

If a married man went with a single girl/woman, he is not guilty of adultery, but of fornication ... in those cases, he is to marry her, as per His command as written in the Torah.

There is a difference, and polygamy is not adultery if all those wives are married to him.

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 @KaterinaGasset Very impressive ... pretty accurate overall picture of how it was with Mormon polygamy in early days ... and what you described is very true of how well things worked and was honorable in a lot of polygamous marriages, Mormon or not, in old and these days ... (some wasn't, as in all things human) ...

 "This woman who wrote this article though is way off base on the lesbian factor. That is not seen in most polygamist families."

Yes ... I agree ... I have lots of contacts, both in this country and out of it ... it is not so common in my experiences either ...

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@Evermyrtle

Actually, those verses (in 1& 2 Timothy and Titus) refers to the requirement that the bishop be a married man, not how many wives.

Same word "mia" is found in other places translated as "first". Actually, "mia" could mean one, first, a ...

If you look, another requirement in those verses is the statement that he runs his house well ... Does anyone not married have this "proof" that he can run the house well?

 

And ... if you look at Proverbs 31 ... the admired virtuous wife looked, made a deal, grew grapes and made money, all the while her husband was sitting there at the gates dealing with the matters of the society ...

Women did that back then, and supported their husbands even, to run the house and the farm if it comes to that ... women are very social and works together ... I met so many who would never consider a situation without another wife in the house ... they can be a big help, more than having just one wife who just spends her husband's money shopping I would say!

It was (and is) all common ... It is a myth that it would be any harder than having only one.

 

Paul was only referring to a man, who IS married, and have proven to be capable of running a house, not how many wives he has. It was common for many leaders to be polygamously married..

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 @ilsinglemom3

Moses himself had three wives.

In the Torah, God laid down the rules, that would require polygamy in some cases. He even considered it a blessing to give wives to some men ... honorable and great men ...

He even called himself polygamous, having two wives!

It is all over scriptures, both in "Old" and in "new" testaments ... there are countless places that mentioned it, even in the New Testament, and they all dealt with it as a fact of life, and NEVER anywhere in Scriptures was it spoken as being sinful. 

I am very willing to show you, no problem. Would you like to examine scriptures in the spirit of those noble Bereans?

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A few pointers ... "FYI: If this country legalized plural marriage, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints wouldn’t suddenly allow it even though such is the viewpoint of many Americans.  They don’t work that way. "

 

I know that church very well, including its history ... their historical polygamy was common and declared to be necessary as a part of their "eternal progression" ...

Joseph Smith took other men's wives and called them his own. So many other sordid details, but they stopped when things got hot with the gov't, and other Americans ... then they declared it off limits, reversing their previous teachings and not practice it anymore . They are just so messed up.

 

"They don't work that way" ... as if oh they are so righteous and things were of God? Theirs were just not scriptural.

 

"Paul admonished bishops (then local clergy) to have only one wife because the job was demanding and impoverished and having more than one wife would be more than most could support emotionally or temporally."

 

Actually, those verses (in 1& 2 Timothy and Titus) refers to the requirement that the bishop be a married man, not how many wives.

Same word "mia" is found in other places translated as "first". Actually, "mia" could mean one, first, a ...

If you look, another requirement in those verses is the statement that he runs his house well ... Does anyone not married have this "proof" that he can run the house well?

 

And ... if you look at Proverbs 31 ... the admired virtuous wife looked, made a deal, grew grapes and made money, all the while her husband was sitting there at the gates dealing with the matters of the society ...

Women did that back then, and supported their husbands even, to run the house and the farm if it comes to that ... women are very social and works together ... I met so many who would never consider a situation without another wife in the house ... they can be a big help, more than having just one wife who just spends her husband's money shopping I would say!

It was (and is) all common ... It is a myth that it would be any harder than having only one.

 

Paul was only referring to a man, who IS married, and have proven to be capable of running a house, not how many wives he has. It was common for many leaders to be polygamously married..

 

"Marriage originated from religion or theocracy.  So what business does a secular democracy have with marriage?" 

 

Agreed! "

 

This country should have changed the name from marriage to civil union so citizens are free to determine who their family is, and get out of the business of pushing Judeo-Christian beliefs on Americans"

 

Actually ... there is nothing in the Constitution that gave the government the right to get involved in marriage! The issue is not theirs to get into, at all! No matter what name you want to call it by ... the gov't has NO right or business to be involved in any way whatsoever!

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There is one BIG difference between polygamy and all others such as same sex marriages, bestiality, etc, etc.

Polygamy was never condemned in the scriptures while all others were.

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There is one BIG difference between polygamy and all others such as same sex marriages, bestiality, etc.

Polygamy was never condemned in the scriptures while all others were.

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One thing that troubles me most is the idea that the "corporations" are people, with rights. I have hard time believing that is what the Constitution or the Fathers meant.

Corporations are phantoms made by the government, and completely separate from the reality that America is a nation of real people who got together and wrote the Constitution for themselves.

Even in our census, we do count people, and never the corporations!

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