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@chamuiel @ilsinglemom3 @thethinman "To be honest, every time I see or hear a woman saying she is a feminist, I start getting to run, because I know she is going to be trouble."
agreed ... like I said ... her problem is herself .... and it is now past 12 .... I am done with her as she just refuses to take look at herself ...
@chamuiel @ilsinglemom3 @MikeYoung @Evermyrtle actually, Paul was just so focused on spreading the word that he is so adamant in not allowing anything interfere with it in his life ... and he would like to see same thing in all of us ... it is not sex ... but the marriage itself that he wrote about ... about being distracted by having to please his wife and "things that are of this world" ... that includes in laws, etc ...
@chamuiel @ilsinglemom3 @thethinman I know, I noticed that ... ignored it as it does not change the facts of scriptures ... I am nothing ... but scriptures are the focus and I am trying to keep it there ...
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman a good husband would respect women ... I know of many men in monogamous marriages that does not respect women ... does that make monogamy wrong?
@chamuiel @ilsinglemom3 @thethinman yes, it occurred to me, but they (wives in polygamous marriages) told me that it is not true ... women in the household tend to synchronize their periods to be similar to each other ... I can't say much else as it is not an area I know much of ...
@chamuiel @ilsinglemom3 yes ... after all those words ... when i see "feminist" ... it explains it all! her problem is herself!
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman Matthew 19 only refers to marriage, that it is permanent. The man can be married to one woman several times over, as per instructions in the Torah. Yahshua would never contradict the Law, and never did.
Paul confirmed it in 1 Corinthians 7.
And ... most interestingly,, there is NO verses anywhere that polygamy is condemned! It is even commanded by Him in some cases.
@thethinman agreed ... honesty counts ... it wasn't with that lesbian ... words were twisted, to be more comfortable with herself.
@thethinman I know even KJV wasn't translated properly ... that is why I go into Greek and Hebrew a lot ... NIV is in my library and I use it too ... I was stirred when it first came out until I came across some things that caused me to question it ... After checking it out, I found that fact of that lesbian, and it fits into the picture well, of how it happened.
I know of a lot of Christians who would swear by the NIV, and same is true for KJV and other versions ... I do not go by them, until I have checked out the Greek and Hebrew, and compared it with history and a lot of other things ... it was a very slow and torturous process for me, but eventually it all came out ... it was worth it!
The truth of Christianity is shocking ... even the history of believers in the 13 colonies is shocking ...
Did you know that it was illegal to celebrate Christmas here back then among the believers, and it was nothing during the Revolutionary War? That it was made popular in mid 1850's when the Irish Catholics came here enmasse? The Catholics were the same ones the early believers came here to get away from, rejecting their pagan holidays etc ...
Christians are the same as Muslims, moving in all over, spreading their versions and infecting/burying the truth. Go back to the source, the Jewish scriptures, and that includes both "Testaments".
@thethinman Always ... when I see that, it is because the dictionaries were not looked into ... I have nothing to say to you until you did in fact look into several dictionaries for yourself, and see what it really means.
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman Nope, you misunderstood my point about the lesbian ... I rather scriptures that was translated by godly people, in the exactly the same way you would reject words words of a non practicing Christian.
Lesbians do have an agenda. Not only them, but anyone who has issues, including Christians. NIV had some verses modified, to be more friendly to liberal train of thought that is not scriptural.
Although you say you are conservative, it is interesting you say you are a feminist ... that may be the source of your problem, as it is rejection of God's plan for man and woman.
That is why it is important to be like Bereans, actually checking the scriptures making sure things were so. Get things into our hearts out of scriptures, rather than our hearts into the scriptures!
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman "Jesus would have mentioned man and women when he talked about marriage but he never did. Only about one man and one woman." Where in the scriptures?
Why would Paul write, in a certain way that includes polygamy? This is not well known but there are several places in his writings where this is found.One is in 1 Corinthians 7 I will explain that one further, if you want. That one is very powerful!
Again, as per His instructions in Exodus, it was demanded in some cases ... showing that it is accepted by Him, and He did kill a man for refusing to do so!
""Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people." Deut. 4:6
Be very careful not to call what He said is good evil, ... You are rejecting His instructions, and thus breaking Law.
Sorry ... polygamy is accepted by Him and there is nothing bad about it.
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman as a rule, I use KJV, even tho I do compare it with at least 2-3 other versions. I have got about ten versions here and do access others online. NIV is generally OK, but I am a little leery of it ... one of the translators is a lesbian for one thing ... I do go into Greek and Hebrew a lot
A thought just came to me ... I am curious ... in KJV ... I have this for verse 10, after " If he take him another wife, " it has "her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall be not diminish." do you?
this is interesting ... according to KJV, after he takes another, he shall not diminish those things ... only logical reason for him to "diminish" is that he now has to provide for two and maybe has to diminish it in some ways as it may prove to be too much for him ... if he was not married already, then why would he diminish and from what levels, since then he is doing what he would be doing for one wife anyway!
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman OK ... first ... according to Ex 21, man can be married and still marry another, as per His instructions ...this has to be understood and accepted ... this is also supported by the meaning of the word "adultery", too ... this should form the foundation that it is not adultery for a married man to be with another woman, but is fornication if he does not marry her and correct that omission.
As to Abigail ... she was married to another man, not David's brother! Yes, David married her after her husband died, while having other wives.Same for Saul, Solomon, Moses, and so many others ... it was common ...
Another well known story that fits in this brother's wife subject would be Ruth ... I have to dig further for other examples besides that example of seven brothers in the discussion with Yahshua ..., but one thing that is shown in that 7 brothers discussion is that it is well known and common among the Jews.
Exodus 22:16-17 was not rape, as the word is "entice", meaning that she was wooed, etc into the act ...
"They always seemed unmarried." ... it may "seem" that way, but there is nothing in scriptures that makes it a rule. Rather, in history and scriptures, the men tend to be married ... in fact, in the Jewish society, men wouldn't be leaders if they were not married! That is the basis of such as 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus, that the man has to prove himself of being able to run the house before he can be leader in the ekklessia!
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman "Sometimes I think that you are mixed up with those Jewish books that came after the Old Testament that Christians don't follow."
I think you are referring to the Talmud and the Mishnah ... I don't follow them either ... but I do look at them to see if there is anything that would shed light on some Jewish thought, etc ... and I do also look at history, archeology, etc etc ... but my guidance is strictly on scriptures themselves first, with lots of prayers and the Spirit ...
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman Almost immediatedly after declaring "Thou shall not commit adultery" in Ex 20:14, Yahweh then set down rules in Ex 21:10 for a man to have "another" wife while the first is still living ... according to Christians it is adultery, but here, obviously HE doesn't think so!
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman another is in EX 22:16-17
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman yes I see where you were responding from ... first of all ... look up the word "adultery" in several bible dictionaries ... it is the woman who breaks her marriage ... and the man who did it with her, who is not her husband ... that is the bottom line ... and the definition of adultery that Christians often go wrong on ...
one of those passages is Deut 22 ... it speaks of single unbetrothed woman marrying man who laid with her without the benefit of marriage ... we can see the same thing as in man having to marry the widow to give his dead brother a son to continue his line (what if first three kids were girls?) it never mattered if he was married already ... he just gotta do it
will continue looking for other passages along the same line and share them with you when I find them
@ilsinglemom3 @thethinman finally something specific ... what verses are you referring to, that "I was claiming" ...? I will provide exact references if you could help me narrow it down as I have mentioned so many things here ...
@thethinman @ilsinglemom3 Yes, you are correct ... only one fine point ... a married man going with a single woman is not adultery either ... it is called fornication ... check the meaning of adultery in at least several bible dictionaries and you will see that is true ... in such cases, that married man is required to marry that single woman according to the Torah, the Law set down by Yahweh ... while for adultery, the requirement is death. Interestingly, it would cause polygamy in such cases!