JamesKoss
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@West Texan Cuba is not regulatory, it is totalitarian. There is a difference you know. Were our votes to really count, ie/ one (wo)man one vote a regulatory government could be for our benefit. With tons of influential cash corporate types have usurped the process. As it is now and could be worse soon, we areregulated by a small number of very rich powerful individuals and organizations against which "We the people" cannot compete, just as if the US were a totalitarian country. You seem to support this. Read history my friend. The process is called Fascism, exactly as Mussolini defined it.
"Talk about propaganda. "One man, one vote" came from U.S. Supreme Justice Earl Warren,"
Are you against progress, democratization of government or prefer we go back to a slave being 3/5th of a white man in the South and cannot vote? The owner did it for the slave!
Now the corporation tells us which two we can pick. The Soviets at least could say none of the above!
Oh yes, Cuba has free good health care and education too!
Seems to me a decent nation would and could do this instead of spread useless death and destruction around the globe and destroy its working and middle classes at home.
@gypsynovus @JohnMohr You need good proof to claim this as true.
OK but it was unclear. Sometimes one just needs to take a solid stance. Mine is corporations are not people, they have undue power to influence, and no heart nor soul. They are a danger to a free nation and a free people.
"Don't you think that if CEOs and politicians were held accoutnable (sic) for their actions that they would assume far less power, reducing the capacity for destruction you criticize in government and corporations? This can be achieved without compromising libertarian philosophy."
Nice in theory, sort of like thinking the bully on the block will behave once he has full control!
In fact once corporate money gets into politics it gets done what directly benefits its profits only. We lose protections: EPA is weakened, SEC is diminished in protection of investors, DEA and FDA lose investigators and turn the responsibly of research over to the ,"good guys" already proven "honest, and well intentioned in your eyes(Prozac ?). The IRS numbers are reduced directed to the Middle Income group, ignoring Corporate tax filings. A very noble thing you may think. I do not trust power. I do not trust immense power even more. To remain independent and free we need a strong regulatory state with independently educated, not propagandized, voters and certainly not corporately influenced via immense amounts of their money and near total control of US information sources dominating our information and that propaganda influencing citizen knowledge. Commerce sees one goal, profits, at near any cost, as long as their interests are taken in to account.
Remember the Wiemar experience before you turn the government and its power over to a small number of influential power structures you allege are equivalent to you and me in influence and whose wishes are pure and just.
And this influence you wish to enhance further?
That is why we once had checks and balances.
ONE MAN ONE VOTE.
That by the way is read as 1.
Not a corporate board deciding.
" how can natural rights be abridged under any conditions? "
Let's look at some examples, starting with Russia, Germany, and now with the US forbidding demonstrations-here. It is not insidious.
So when an immense amount of power is given to a small group wielding the wealth to alter elections directly by the infusion of money it is not difficult to see it occur.
Your stance panders about with a sense that the guy with the biggest sword has a right to swing it where and when he wishes.
You play with theoretical words trying to join a piece of paper with real people and their needs as if the paper people know best for all the others.
Germany Industrialists backed Hitler. They were sure once they got what they wanted he could be dealt with. Caution and protection of the US which I believe you care for means look carefully at the effects of your thoughts and beliefs.
@West Texan I think you like to twist ideas your way.
Corporations were not trusted, had very limited rights and limited existence until corporate wealth, influence and power changed that in the US. Their existence was permitted as they could do some good for the nation. They were not people nor had person/hood until corporate power and wealth twisted their purpose and rights. Indeed they were held suspect. Read a little history and the founders thoughts if your refer to their intent and that era. I see only threat from the concentrated power of amassed wealth controlled by a small number of people and poured into legal and legislative decisions, elections and propaganda. That is not democratic, it is plutocratic, authoritarian and very anti/individual.
I doubt if the founders would condone such localized and concentrated power.
The Constitution was written for We the People, not they the corporation.
@pentale Not a lawyer I cannot judge veracity of this explanation. I am told the SCOUS decision this rests on was condensed by a court clerk. His words said corps are people. I am told reading the full SCOUS decision it says no such thing. If true why not reopen it? I suspect those who finance our "leaders" prefer it to remain as is.
@gypsynovus I admire your style. It is educational not blaming nor labeling as too many seem to rely on to make a point.
thanks,
Sieg Heil. Hitler spoke for millions too. So did Goebbles. So?
Just tell the starving homeless evicted about their freedoms.
They are living in someone's fief now and have been for a long time.
and you? How's it going? For the majority of Americans,those who built, fought, were wounded, some died, they aren't doing so well. Explain why.
@JimGreaves Prove that accusation with facts.
@JimGreaves @Milt Farrow The profit did not go to the producers, just to the managers, who produce nothing. It is happening here, now. Just look around. Detroit is a good starter.
@JimGreaves @West Texan @Milt Farrow I call no one moron. I do question their logic and thought processes. So easy to claim but none of them substantiate their claims. try it sometime and qain respect.
@JimGreaves @onetenther Is it important? Did you ever remofve an appendix?
@onetenther Funny. What a coincidence! And so did Bush, Reagan, Scott Walker and so will Romney. Good bedfellows-for fellow travelers.
@onetenther Money speaks, More money speaks loudest. remove money from elections and see where truth then lies.