@majrod I usually ask isolationists to explain to me how the international economy works. When they couldn't explain in the past how it impacted them, I used to leave a little diagram but can't find that damn diagram for the life of me. And darn if 'm gonna draw that damn thing again.
I wonder if people could guess what percentage of the goods in their homes got there through the Suez Canal.
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@LaBelleHelene @RedWanderer Darlin, I'm a girl and you're not my type. :)
@majrod @FrancisMarion "Much of the righteous indignation over the Bush administration's Iraq "adventurism" disappears..."
LOL, M-rod, and do you notice how far people bend over backward to keep from calling the chem wpns in Syria WMD. It's as if the word is tabu. Doesn't serve the political agenda very well.
@FrancisMarion @LaBelleHelene "Is oil a factor in foreign policy?"
I love how people decry "it's about oil" when not one of them would trade in their cars for bikes to get them and their families to work, to the store, to church, to school, etc.
Of course it's about global oil markets. Just like it's about global banking. Just like it's about global points in the logistical critical path.
@LaBelleHelene @FrancisMarion @MedicSteve2"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq,"
One could drive a truck the size of the Pentagon through the hole left for the interpretation of that sentence.
For shits and grins, let's say the WMD was moved to another country before our forces got there. Bush's statement would still apply.
@LaBelleHelene @MedicSteve2 WMD wasn't found IN IRAQ is a more appropriate sentence.
@LaBelleHelene @MedicSteve2 China and India need for oil impacting price? Now this is one of your assertions with which I agree.
I think people can figure out a few more pieces of the puzzle by listening to former NSA whistleblowers who make it clear there's no real official channel for addressing their concerns - other than it boomeranging back in their faces.
For folks grappling with the Booz Allen aspect, one of the most respected whistleblowers - Bill Binney - offers possible insight in this long video. Go to 1:23:00 where he responds to a questioni in the audience about how to address possible abuse of power. Having lost all faith in the whistleblower process, his advice is to "infliltrate."
It was an uncomfortable video for me to watch as well (and I didn't have time for most of it) but for folks wanting to do some critical thinking.....
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Btw, meant to keep saying it's not just meaningless data......
I expect a class action suit will force the Supreme Court to revisit metatdata and the 4th Amendment. Willing to bet the ruling will change. It'll be interesting to check back on this thread in a year to see. I think the Snowden topic and 4th Amendment topic are related yet separate.
See my last post about other NSA whistleblowers.
Hey AC. Good post. I think we'll find out the answer to Snowden soon enough but the civil liberties question is more important I think. As for concerns about "up the flagpole" ya need to think about Wiebe, Binney, and Drake and how they were treated. Here's a great link on them:
Making authoritarin points? People of God nows what actual experience? These would be people with collective intel, legal, special operations, but particularly firsthand technical crypto experience who would understand better than anyone where the holes in the "firewall" and legal system are.
Sure the case law supports a lot of what you're saying, but those laws are based on outdated technical analysis IMO. These/we are people with clearances or prevous clearances who also don't mind objectively questioning conventional wisdom, regardless of its legal status.
Here's an example of something I'd like to see you explain away. http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/.
Legal or not legal, have we become a surveillance state. I'm still waiting to hear the answer to that.
Hey Laura...yeah, let me try to get you some good information...a direct link may not be best (privacy issues) but some good articles that talk about Metadata for example....let me get back when I can....
Roger, Laura....I know. You have to hang out on techie sites where they explain it much better than I do. It's not just content.
You're right that the Metadata program is legal right now. That's why many feel comfortable defending it. Others who believe they can make the case to the Supreme Court metadata SHOULD get 4th Amendment protection -- I believe will win the day and I see the Metadata program being constrained in the future.
I'm of the opinion it is not just meaningless content and combined with the abuse of power we're seeing with the IRS and DOJ/journalism issue, have no trouble seeing an Admistration in the future abusing it. Binney - an NSA whistleblower - describes the Utah facility as turnkey totalitarianism.
"Metadata is not content. And while you can discern many things from it, you still do not have content. It is simply a means to identify targets to get a warrant" - Great quote, Laura. Extremely profound quote and is at the heart the entire national (substantive) disagreement.
I'll have to see if I can dig up some links but you've got many in the tech world challenging it. I'm not a techie but have a highly mathematical background myself and based on basic gaming for example, know it's problematic.
Sorry, Laura, I've been on a thread that goes for about 20 pages so it will take awhile to condense. :)
Let me start with Clapper. Clapper could be an entire thread in himself. He was asked a point blank question and perjured himself. He did not respond with "can we talk in closed committee" as I would've expected him to when asked the infamous Wyder question. Instead he answered flat out "No Sir." He's been completely crucified throughout the press for being caught in an unambigous lie. Snowden's leaks revealed how Clapper completely misled the country.
Are you familiar with the incident? When asked the next day why he perjured himself, he replied with an even worse answer. He said it was the least untruth I can give.
As for Metadata, it's not content on te surface but hundreds of technical experts are coming out of the woodwork to show how it can be used to INFER content. Let me get back on the other stuff...
I was running out of space but there are numerous other issues as well. SCOTUS ruling on phone calls and no 4th protection. But especially analysis by super-mathematical analysts outside of govt who can show how dangerous Metadata is and why it should get 4th Amendment protection.