Albert Jones
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Duh, what took them so long? What part of Infinity don't Atheists understand? Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No' http://beforeitsnews.com/spirit/2012/11/does-death-exist-new-theory-says-no-2450666.html ---
What part of Infinity don't you Atheists understand?
Here it is in Black & White, to quote your student.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...." & 1) The results of chaos and randomness by definition, can have no purpose or meaning. Because only that which is 'created' for a purpose can have purpose. And without a purpose, there is no need for meaning, and no recognition of it. WHat would 'meaning' be in chaos? Chaos is the opposite of meaning and purpose. 2) If society continues to teach children that the Universe and their lives are the result of random chaos, and hence have no meaning or purpose, and that really there are no rules to anything, we can eventually expect a break down of society. Why should we expect these children to follow rules when we teach them there really are no rules? Biology? Deny it. Physics? Deny it. Science in general? Deny it. Except when it is convenient to use it to shape the mythological world view of chaos, randomness and puppet/victimhood. There are no rules. because if there were, some greater intelligence would have to support, arbitrate and maintain these rules, over 14 + Billion years. 3) Without God, the first Truths in the Declaration of Independence are pointless and meaningless, just like random chaos.
Quite disappointing on the science end of it, I het to leave Biscuit stranded, not knowing where he is or who he is. Can no one explain who you are or where you are? Recap, you can;t be the body, 100% of your cells replace them selves every 7 years. You can't possibly be the source of thoughts, because you can't turn thoughts off at will (which avery true transmitter can). So who are you and where are you? If you can't even answer these scientifically, with out name calling and banning me, what does that say about your coherent anti-bible Sunday school here and all it's rules? The blind leading the blind maybe? And what is all the hoopla about rules here in an anti rule pro chaos random universe Blog anyway. Did this blog just accidentally make it's self from random chaos? if not, who made it and who made and arbitrates the rules? Think maybe the Universe might just work the same way? What part of Infinity don't you Atheists get anyway?
Turns out there is Love (=God). Hmmmm.
What, no scicnce here at More Scicnce High School?
Suppose I were to reply to you gravity huggers that I wanted to take the dictionary definition I wanted, not the base line reference point of Science for gravity? You make the point that gravity is Science, and I say you just don't understand the 'gravity' of the situation, and so on, dance, dance, dance. I dance around your logic in circular fashion, all the while protecting my world view of gravity, because I'm the center of the Universe, and I can't be wrong. Because if I'm wrong, then then my world view is gone, and another reality will be taking it's place. And that would be scary, if I believed that new world view was out to get me. As you all clearly have been brainwashed into believing. (Love?, who would have thought you all would be so afraid of Love!) This is all of you, trying to choose your own definition of 'meaning' out of a dictionary, instead of acknowledging that scientifically, there can be no such thing as purpose, meaning, or a point to anything (including you and your life) in a random chaotic Universe. I am surprised I have to explain the core of Existentialism to you all, it's very Cosmically Ironic! I love it. You don't even understand your own philosophy. Drawing a picture for you again. Random, Chaos, no repeatability, no Science can be valid, nothing can be counted upon, there are no rules. No point to anything. And hence nothing has any meaning, at all. Least of all you or your lives. Even if you tell yourselves you have meaning. Come on now, Man & Cowgirl up. If you want to be Existentialists, fine. But you then have no meaning, no purpose. You just 'are', for no particular reason, rhyme or point. My point is that none of you can live there, it's not natural, because this is NOT a random chaotic Universe, and it has been coherent for over 14 Billion years. So your real question now is, how long are going to keep pretending this is a random chaotic Universe when clearly it is not? Another 14 Billion years? "Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein ~ Identical fermions never collide. ~
What, no real science? Well, at least for a bunch of two dimensional Flatlanders you did get one thing correct. The language of God is Silence. Drawing you a picture now, as you are either a bunch of Jr. High kids who haven't learned a lot about Science and philosophy yet, or you've taken way too many drugs, and brain parities are a big problem for you. So, I'll take it a bit slower for you. God = Love = Infinity. Per all the major scriptures of all the major religions. Following so far? I don't want to loose you now. Silence then, is the only language, which can encompass Infinity, boundary-less. Thus, you see many Saints taking vows of.....Silence, because the best way to learn a language is immersion. What part of Infinity don't you Atheists understand?
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. God = Love. Love is a scientific phenomenon just like gravity. It can be quantified, studied, measured and those measurements are repeatible (which scicntifically can not be repeated in a random chaotic Universe), God = Love is found in every spiritual scripture of every major Religion. If you all want to keep denying Love, and keep saying Love does not exist, you get your wishes. You have free will. You only find my observations about God streange because they are True, and Turth will set you free from the bondage of rainbow chasing after chaos and randomness in a coherent Universe. Anyone out there now want to deny the existence of Love (=God)? You have free will still.
@skohayes WHat is the scientific method? It needs repeatability, something impossible in your random Universe governed by Chaos. Science needs rules. Rules don't appear by magic? 2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. In other words, coherency is necessary for science. And Coherency comes from a higher Intelligence. Ergo, Science proves God is, because science has no meaning in a random universe governed by chaos. QED
well, I never expected to meet such scientific cowards here, interesting. Also interesting, is how Martin has created an Anti-Bible Sunday school with all the fundamentalist rules,, while I'm the one who is free. LOL1000 places of Pi Here is the expansion of arranged in groups of 50 digits as Aitken recited it. 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 58209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679 82148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128 48111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196 44288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091 45648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273 72458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436 78925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094 33057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548 07446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912 98336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798 60943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132 00056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872 14684409012249534301465495853710507922796892589235 42019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960 51870721134999999837297804995105973173281609631859 50244594553469083026425223082533446850352619311881 71010003137838752886587533208381420617177669147303 59825349042875546873115956286388235378759375195778 18577805321712268066130019278766111959092164201989 Go Back JOC/EFR May 1997
well, I never expected to meet such scientific cowards here, interesting. Also interesting, is how Martin has created an Anti-Bible Sunday school with all the fundamentalist rules,, while I'm the one who is free. LOL
@skohayes WHat is the scientific method? It needs repeatability, something impossible in your random Universe governed by Chaos. Science needs rules. Rules don't appear by magic/ Monkeys or what ever typing random letters don't make a novel. it is mathematically impossible. SO, with out Intelligence to write the rules that Science lives by, there can be no Science. But hey, what did Albert Einstein know anyway, right?
I see you are having problems with your posts Martin, must be that random Chaos! So here the first answer:
@skohayes WHat is the scientific method? It needs repeatability, something impossible in your random Universe governed by Chaos. Science needs rules. Rules don't appear by magic/ Monkeys or what ever typing random letters don't make a novel. it is mathematically impossible. SO, with out Intelligence to write the rules that Science lives by, there can be no Science. But hey, what did Albert Einstein know anyway, right?
I see you are having problems with your posts Martin, must be that random Chaos! So here the first answer: @martinspribble bring it on Oh great one! Where is your science? Got any science? Got science to get you from nothing to something? Any scicnce to get you from something to the laws of nature? Any scicnce to get you from the laws of nature to Stars with out intellegence and focused energy to start the chain reaction? How about some science then, to get you from inanimate to life? Got any scicnce to back that up oh Great one? Because if you did, you would have the Martin Nobel prize....isn't that the real Truth? Tell your students the Truth now. Or are you just going to stand there in front of your students and embarras yourself with silly name calling? Got any sciecne Martin? If so, let's see it. 1) Who are you? 2) Where are you? So far, just the blind leading the blind in a black hole of Egoistic circular logic, unable to break free from relativism.
@martinspribble bring it on Oh great one! Where is your science? Got any science? Got science to get you from nothing to something? Any scicnce to get you from something to the laws of nature? Any scicnce to get you from the laws of nature to Stars with out intellegence and focused energy to start the chain reaction? How about some science then, to get you from inanimate to life? Got any scicnce to back that up oh Great one? Because if you did, you would have the Martin Nobel prize....isn't that the real Truth? Tell your students the Truth now. Or are you just going to stand there in front of your students and embarras yourself with silly name calling? Got any sciecne Martin? If so, let's see it. 1) Who are you? 2) Where are you? So far, just the blind leading the blind in a black hole of Egoistic circular logic, unable to break free from relativism.
This is exactly what I mean by placing yourselves at the center of the universe. Let's forget science when it's convenient for your Ego. Science says in a Universe of random chaos, there is no meaning or purpose (by definition). If I have to explain logic and physics to you, then you really are hopeless (and it's chaos out there by golly, don't you see? The moon has switched places with the sun for heaven's sake.) Messing with people's lives? You mean by using science and facts to give people meaning and purpose? Or is it messing with children to tell them their lives are pointless and meaningless because the universe is dominantly Random Chaos? And fooling them into believing that they personally are the center of the universe? WTF Chaos? Oh, right, chaos doesn't know what WTF is, because it can't possibly recognize it. Of course God can. God = Love. If you want to continue to say WTF to Love, well you have free will, and you get what you deserve. But God still continues to rain down Divine Love on you anyway. The sun still shines, the lights have not gone out for 14+ Billion years. The Laws of nature continue day in and day out to be coherent, for 14+ Billion years, in spite of what you claim. You can't just wave a magic wand and get rid of gravity, or Love. Even when you say WTF to Love. :) And you can't wave a magic wand and give yourself meaning in a random chaotic Universe. In order to have meaning, you have to first have a purpose. Otherwise, it's just wishful thinking based on blind faith in magic. What is the point of leaving a better world when in a random chaotic Universe it can turn into a snow cone tomorrow.try coming into the light for awhile, i promise it will not hurt you. I was once where you are, thinking I personally was the center of the universe. I had an even bigger chip on my shoulder then. I prefer the peace that surpasses definition, the scientific affirmation of knowing, when I gain control of my mind, and make is cease, in order to experience the true nature of unchanging reality. Instead of chasing change and rainbows as shadows on the Cave walls of your Ego. But hey, that's just me. Meaning, or purposeless nothingness. Mr. Smith-everything with a beginning has to have an ending, or Neo, like Pi, infinite. The choice for me is literally a no-brainer. Students of jesus described the 'knowing' of personally experiencing the truth as 'dying daily in the lord' in the Bible. You can't have the experience of knowing beyond the hardware and software limitations of your body-mind, because you allow the mind to control you, instead of controlling your minds. You can't even stop thinking for a simple 30 seconds, much less hours or days. Has Biscuit figured out which neuron his in 'in' yet? Nope? Any one have something besides emotions shown below here, any actual science? Science to get you from nothing to something? Science to get you from something to the laws of nature? Science to get you from gases to stars? Science to get you from stars to single cellular life? Science to get you from single cellular life to humans? No? I thought so. Otherwise, you would have a Nobel prize by now. Can anyone explain why the Universe is both expanding and accelerating at the same time, defying the standard model of Physics? No? Man, I thought Scicnce had all the answers! Well, at least science proves by it's own existence that God is. Science can't possibly be in a random chaotic universe. NakkiNyan said @AlbertJ You are using this objective definition of meaning like there is only one. I give my life meaning and purpose by doing what I enjoy as often as possible. When I die I won't have the meaning you are talking about ... Life is not some big evil trial to get to the finish line in tact for some shitty reward of licking your god's boots for eternity like it says in revelations whether it be real or not. If I found out there was a god, any god, I would simply look it in the face and say WTF. "Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
On markets and the impossibility of socialism http://bigchieftablets.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/on-markets-and-the-impossibility-of-socialism/ This applies to all theories, not just economics, from science to religion. If you start off with a false premise, you can make anything appear true. Need a Universe with Life? Skip over the part where it get's formed and start in the middle. Come up with a simplistic theory on how things gradually progressed by mutations, and people will buy it. Not only will they buy it, they will only look for facts to reinforce it after awhile. All based on the foundation that by magic, something comes from nothing, even though there is zreo scientific evidnce that this can happen in all of the 14 Billion+ years the Cosmos has been around. Not to mention the statistical impossibility of it, or the many blaring holes in the theory (300 genes separate a human and a mouse, the Canbrian Explosion, complex human parts like cellular pumps that need all the parts at once to work, so it's imp[ossible for them to have 'evolved one part at a time...to mention just a hand full). And things need otherthing to perpetuate. Stars are born from other stars exploding. They don't just appear by magic. Life comes from other life. It doesn't just magically appear. Only by adding God back into the equation, does any of it make sense. otherwise, How else can the Universe be not only still expanding, but also accelerating at the same time? Defying the standard model of physics.
Meanwhile, over at New Scientist : Forget quantum physics, forget relativity. Inklings of an ultimate theory might emerge from an unexpected place - find out where in this week's cover story. Notice it is the theory of everyTHING, not NOthing. Stars come from other stars not NOthing. Babies come from other humans, not NOthing or from corn. Life comes from other life. The Universe come from EveryTHINGness not NOthingness. Albert was right, and Nils Bohr was wrong, there needs to be, accoding to the Uncertainty Principle of physics, an original 'Observer' to start these chain reaction off in the beginning. According to overwhelming scientific evidence. Where is your science showing starts magically appear from No thing? Or life? Show us please!