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This applies to all theories, not just economics, from science to religion. If you start off with a false premise, you can make anything appear true.
Need a Universe with Life? Skip over the part where it get's formed and start in the middle. Come up with a simplistic theory on how things gradually progressed by mutations, and people will buy it. Not only will they buy it, they will only look for facts to reinforce it after awhile. All based on the foundation that by magic, something comes from nothing, even though there is zreo scientific evidnce that this can happen in all of the 14 Billion+ years the Cosmos has been around. Not to mention the statistical impossibility of it, or the many blaring holes in the theory (300 genes separate a human and a mouse, the Canbrian Explosion, complex human parts like cellular pumps that need all the parts at once to work, so it's imp[ossible for them to have 'evolved one part at a time...to mention just a hand full). And things need otherthing to perpetuate. Stars are born from other stars exploding. They don't just appear by magic. Life comes from other life. It doesn't just magically appear. Only by adding God back into the equation, does any of it make sense. otherwise, How else can the Universe be not only still expanding, but also accelerating at the same time? Defying the standard model of physics.
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Meanwhile, over at New Scientist : Forget quantum physics, forget relativity. Inklings of an ultimate theory might emerge from an unexpected place - find out where in this week's cover story.
Notice it is the theory of everyTHING, not NOthing. Stars come from other stars not NOthing. Babies come from other humans, not NOthing or from corn. Life comes from other life. The Universe come from EveryTHINGness not NOthingness. Albert was right, and Nils Bohr was wrong, there needs to be, accoding to the Uncertainty Principle of physics, an original 'Observer' to start these chain reaction off in the beginning. According to overwhelming scientific evidence. Where is your science showing starts magically appear from No thing? Or life? Show us please!
Aploogis to Nic-and also, can't find your post. as tangent, for a bunch of people rulled by random chaos and magic, there sure is a lot of fundamentalist "Thou shalt not do this or that...." here :) Anyway, be scientists and get away from hiding from the facts. Come out into the light just for a minute. You all can run back into your caves if the light hurts your eyes. Scicnce, physics, randomness, chaos. There is no meaning to 'pourpose' in a random Universe. and there is no meaning. That is the whole point. There would be no point to needing to make up meaning in your lives if there was such a thing as real Atheists. You can't have that vacuum in your lives. If this was a Universe governed by chaos and randomness, you would have no problem with a meaningless pointless life! Now, as a scicntist, ask your selves why your Egos try so hard to convence you that you have meaning in a random Universe, where tomorrow you could wake up a mouse? It's a random Universe, right? No ryhm or reason to it. So what is there to care about? Why in the world would Richard DSawkins have a charity. Howq pointless for a REaL Atheist. You are all just prentending to be Atheists here patting each other on your exitential backs. Be scientists now, use physics, and explain to everyone where how purpose and meaning exisit in randomness. The argument is obvious, first there was randomness, then came coherency, and so now we presto by magic have meaning. Except, I already took that arguement away with physics. Coherency came first, just like light. Because the defeat always, thier Uncertainty twins. Checkmate.
orry Blamer, can't find you post, don't have time to look for it. Funny this blog acts so random, after starting out coherent first. I don't see myself as superior to even the ant, you do apparently. I see myself as the life force that animates you, me and all of life. I am one with it.
Your life has no meaning in a random universe, because the randomness dictates it. You are lost in a circular logical philisophical black hole. Use physics. Random by definition can not allow 'meaning'.
I didn't design the Cosmos, I'm observing it as it is. SO, I can't help it iof ilight always defeats darkness, and if coherency always defeats randomness. What this means in terms of science, is that before there was randomness, there was always coherency. Meaning God of course.
You have free will. That's all you have. You have the free will to run around with that chip on your shoulder (and the handle blamer fit's that perfectly) and BLAME the universe for all your problems, hiding from reality. Or you have the free will to see life's obsticales as opportunities to grow, and to understand who you really are, and the true nature of reality. "I finally figured out the Universe was not out to get me!" ` Phillip K. Dick
@ZachsMind I have done nothing BUT scientifically prove the scientific phenmomenon of God. God is proven by inference from science. Scicnce can't exist in a random Universe governed by magic. The scicntific methodology involves repeatibility and verifyability. With out a higher intellegence to maintain the laws of nature for 14 + Billion years, the Universe would have collapsed by now into the chaos and randomness you claim spawned the universe. Or is 14 Billion years not long enough for you? There is no, as in zero, scientific proof that something comes from nothing, that life can spontaneously just appear, or that stars can spontaneously appear. You need something to get something. and you need life to begat life. and you need stars exploding to get new stars. Whoops!
What would there be to 'remember' in a Universe dominated by random chaos? A 'memory' would be useless in such a Universe.
Is even the slime in the ice machine of higher intellegence than those who insisit on denying the science, the facts in front of them? Of course the scientific method is not possible in a Universe dominated by random chaos either.
Humans differentiate from all other species in that we alone have the Divine gift of realizing we are all interconnected to the source. Only in human form, can we understand the true nature of reality and our personal identification with it. If we can see around the 'little me' shadow produced by the Ego, and exaggerated by Intellectual Elitism. Which creates a self perpetuating shadow chasing black hole that crates the illusion of superiority and the delusion of separation from Oneness and Singularity.
What part of Infinity is it that Atheists don't understand?
Were social networks humanity's edge over Neandertals?
How to navigate out of relativitavism and the circular logical black hole caused by placing one's self at the center of the Universe.
Turn on the light. Light always defeats darkness 100% of the time.
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@martinspribble @Dubravko @deityshmeity t addressing all the complaints I haven't answered the posts, and your blog is acting too random, it doesn't go to the post, so i have to cut and paste into another post. But of course, there has to be a format like Wordpress, designed by a higher Intelligence, before the appearance of randomness 'appears". All yours now, I'm done for the night. Hope there is some scientists out there with real answers.
As for respect,k where does that come from in a random Universe governed by Chaos? :)
Skohayes, actually 2+2 in alternate mathematical dimensions does not equal 4 always. in REM dream state, time is a different velocity than in your newtonian waking state. Neither exists as you think of them in deep sleep.
God is just as much a scientific phenomenon as Gravity. We can't exactly explain either. we can measure, quantify and perform repeatable scientific experiments verify both gravity and God = Love = Infinity.
@AlbertJ No one needs to "believe" in gravity or math, as both are easily proven- you can pretend that gravity doesn't exist, but step out of a 2nd floor window and gravity will prove that it does indeed exist. 2+2 will always equal 4..
Finally something coherent and well stated! Now just ad a sprinkle of scientific and intellectual honesty.
It is impossible for Science to exist in a Universe governed by random chaos. it is impossible to start with chaos and go to coherency (because you first need the Intellect to recognize coherency). Just as Light defeats darkness always, coherency defeats chaos. and Caring defeats non-caring.
God = Love = Infinity
If you still want to say Love and Infinity don't exist, I'm afraid all the sceince in the Universe can't help you.
@AlbertJ Ego may guide our biases and wishful thinking makes it compelling to believe as you do, but our preference doesn't dictate reality. Until I have good reason to believe an all-powerful intellect is behind the universe, I won't believe it.
Skohayes, of course it's obvious, whoo hoo! Why do you think I brought caring up in the first place.
Now why is there caring. Not just 'it is, we don'y want to question why, because it blows up our random Universe". Why.
If this is a random universe governed by Chaos, there is no reason for caring. or survival. Or meaning. Nothing is repeatable because of chaos and randomness, so Science doesn't exist.
You observe but you don't SEE. Spiders and fish care because the Universe if not born from Random Chaos. Be a scientist.
It's not 'pretty obvious'. it's really, really obvious. LOL
@AlbertJ Albert, that's easy- caring is a natural part of survival of the species. Even spiders care for their young once they hatch from the egg sac.
And you seem to be avoiding all my replies and instead posting new comments to avoid them. Pretty obvious.
Skohayes, read my lips. Pay attention! Where did I ever say God was 'a being', or a sky fairy? That's you all projecting Fundamentalism on me.
I clearly said Go=Love, God = infinity. You clearly have no scientific arguments, so you try to put words in my mouth, which I never, ever said. LOL
@AlbertJ What if the universe just happened as physicists say, Albert? The laws of science exist without god, and theories like gravity and evolution exist with quantifiable proof without the need of an imaginary being to give them weight
Skohayes, do I have to draw you a picture? I thought I was among fellow scientist? You, by your body language, put your self int eh center of the universe, when you (by your faith) believe the lights will go out when you die. It's physics and perspective. Get a piece of paper and draw it out. Again, Hitch-22 died and the lights did NOT go out. Ergo your faith and belief scientifically is wrong. As is your observation of the Cosmos. You are like Plato's cave dwellers thinking the shadows on the wall are reality.
@AlbertJ @Dubravko @deityshmeity No one here except you thinks we are the center of the universe, Albert
w Skohayes, you really "CARE" don't you? Why, if this is a random chaotic Universe. Real Atheists can't get their feelings hurt like you. Man up and be a real Atheist. And give me some real science while you are at it.
@AlbertJ I can't read this post, there's so much straw flying around. Albert, you sound very confused and unsure about your own faith, and you come to this forum to project your insecurities on the atheists who post here.
I suggest you spend some time reflecting on why it's so important to you to put other people down to make yourself feel better about your own shortcomings.
Maybe I'm assuming too much here, i thought this was some advanced think tank. My mistake.
Sceince needs repeatability, something which by definition does NOT exist in a random chaotic Universe.
If I randomly produce life in a lab, then repeat that process in another lab to scientifically validate it, it ceases to become "random'> Whoops!
When massive human focus happens on the same event at the same time due to current events, random number generators become....drum roll please, coherent!
"the observer affects the Observed."~ The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, proven not only by the famous double slot experiment, but now also bt the Princeton University Millennium project.
Do I still project fear of Science here. or are you all projecting your own fear of Science not fitting your random chaotic Universe?
Brin on the science! Science is the best proof of Gd, Divine Intelligence, which is nothing more (or less) than Infinity.
Do you still want to say God (= Love, = Infinity) does not exist, when every bit of science proves Love and Infinity exist?
You all are trying really hard not to mean anything, and to be worthless and pointless! :)
But you 'care', and so you loose, over and over again.
@AlbertJ If scientists want to study the brain, they study the brain, Albert. Your brain is the source of your "transmissions" -a combination of chemicals and electrical impulses , and you can't turn it off because if the brain is not functioning, neither is anything else.
Do you all see now how the ego clouds you with blind spots? Nothing scientific in this post addresses the scientific observation, "if you personally are the source of your thoughts, why can't you turn them off at will, like any scientifically observed transmitter can?"
Lot's attacks on the messenger, but no substance. why are you all afraid of the science, and of the truth, and the light?
Give me some signal processing physics where the transmission can't be stopped at will by shutting down the source transmitter?
If you pay attention, you will see, from science, what you really ae. And it's not a tought source transmitter. Ergo, you personally are not the source of thoughts. Simple physics.
And by the way, neuro-biologists don't have fast enough technology yet to study the brain. So they study with the existing technology the slower Enteric nervous system and use it for an analogue for the brain.
you do understand basic scientific methodology don't you?
@AlbertJ Who ever said 'I' was the center of the universe? No scientist ever said something like that. Quite the opposite, actually. Who I am? I am a single member of Homo sapiens sapiens, a subspecies of an evolved animal, brought about by evolution by natural selection, composed of discarded star stuff, of particles created in the cosmic furnaces that we call stars, inhabiting a tiny little planet in one of the star systems in one of the galaxies in a vast, unimaginably vast universe. Who are you?
I am, the same as you a quantized parcel of Divine Consciousness. Unlike you, I don't separate myself in the delusion that the life force that gives me the next breath is some how different than the life force that give you the next breath.
Evolution sounds like a plan. What Intelligence wrote the plan? What Intelligence maintains the plan for over 14 Billion years with out one single collapse into chaos?
How exactly do you randomly jump from gases and star dust to life again? and the scientific proof of that exists whee now? Talk about faith! Zero evidence in the entire field of Science, every, anywhere, yet you all believe this mythology about random magic making life?
@AlbertJ @deityshmeity It is very egocentric and selfish to think we *must* have a higher purpose.
Don't project your selfish, self centered I am the center of the Universe on Me. I'm not the one who thinks the lights will go out when I die, in spite of the fact the lights are still on, and Hitch-22 died.
What is really egotistical is to observe the coherency of the Universe daily, minute by minute, and then dismiss it because you are afraid of rules and authority. What is arrogant is to think life has no meaning, and then pretend to care about things, yet have to intellectual dishonesty to ignore the ramifications of society, when you teach children they are pointless, meaningless accidents1 THAt is Egoism my friends! And the height of hypocrisy. Either be an atheist and go hide under a rock and cower until your last breath, or admit you care, due to coherency.
Stop hitting out at the messenger, and defend your beliefs. What, that's right, Atheists can't have 'beliefs', because why would they, in a random chaotic governed Universe?
@Dubravko You say it with your body language. You observe through that deluded lens. You believe that the lights will go out when you die. That is only possible if YOU are the center of the Universe.
And you mistakenly think you are the source of thoughts. If you were, yoiu, like any scientific transmitter observed in this COHERENT Cosmos, could turn off your thoughts. But you can stop thinking for even 30 seconds. because you are week and untrained. You let the 5 senses pull you around by the nose. You need to find the source of thoughts, the real transmitter.
And you can't possibly be the center of the Universe, because there can't be 7 Billion centers of the Universe1
1) Who are you?
2)Where Are you?
3) Why are you here?
4) Where are you going to?
Scientifically, unless you can answer those correctly, you literally are the Blind leading the Blind, all chasing your circular Logical tails.
Which again, is the scientific definition of Hell.
@DubravkoYes I did, you just don't know how to be a real scientist. Physics, specifically perspective. You mis identify your self as the center of the Universe. Point in case, you think when you die the lights will go out. News Flash, Hitch-22 died, and the lights didn't go out!
To live in the separation delusion is Hell. To understand Truth and live emersed in it is Heaven. Physics, perspective, scientific.
Now be a scientist and explain where 'you' are right now! :) Biscuit still is lost, poor soul (that's scientific Hell dude!)
@Dubravko it is a matter of Physics, doesn't get more 'scientific' than that. You and your fellow pseudo Atheists separate your selves from the whole, and thus mis identify who you are.
One of the problems with this blog is the 'reply' doesn't always come back to the post. I suppose that is because it's inside a random Universe. :)
Skohayes said...AlbertJ You, like many others of the religious sects around the world, are deliberately ignorant of science and therefore it appears magical to you. It's been like this since the beginning of civilization.
Break out of that ignorance, Albert, and do some reading. Why are you so afraid?
Why do you all insist on projecting your fears on the messenger? Hmmm?
science needs coherency to govern the Universe, or it could not exist. I can't believe I have to explain this simple fact to such high and mighty intellects!
So why in the world would I be afraid of Science? Science is the Proof of God, for heaven's sake! You confuse me with your confused Sunday school fundamentalists, silly. I am Truth. I am merged in it. I am the light. So are you all.
There is one subtle difference between us and god, but it is important to the whole conversation.
The Ocean can exist with out the wave, the wave can not exist with out the ocean. yet they are one. You and I, we are quantized Consciousness on the infinite ocean of Divine consciousness
Explain scientifically now;
1) How coherence cam fro Chaos/randomness
2) How that coherency is maintained 14+ Billion years with out a break down or gap
3) How the coherency laws are arbitrated minute by minute (if this Universe if governed by Chaos and Chaos came first)?
Afaird of the science now are you? WHat part of Infinity don't yo0u Atheists get? Just keep repeating, "Everything that has a beginning, has to have an ending"...over and over, until you disappear, like Mr. Smith in the 3rd Matrix. Just don't be too scientific and study Pi now, 3.1416.........
@blamer commenters here are demonstrating they don't understand the difference between coherency and Chaos/Randomness. Commenters here are demonstrating, they can't use linear logic.
Option 1), You die and the lights go out. Nothing matters, nothing mattered, nothing will matter. Meaning has no definition. All is just random chaos.
Option 2) Coherency rules, chaos/randomness only exists as a subset within coherency-to define coherency, and your life HAD a purpose and meaning. Whoops?
Either way, I win and you all loose. So, why are you trying sooooooo hard not to have a purpose, or a life with meaning?
It hasn't all been a waste, in spite of your fear inspired Intellectual dishonesty.
I observed a new Uncertainty pair. Caring and non-caring. Which is dominant, like light and darkness? Can' you tell?
Like Coherency dominates (and thus came before) Chaos and randomness, Caring dominates non-caring.
Because, as I observe your Egos in denial and hiding from the light, the more you all try to 'not-care', the more you care1 Brilliant!
Real Atheists don't care. What is there to care about in a Universe with no meaning? Meaning can only be derived from Coherency.
Q. E. D.
As far as I can tell, I answered all your posts. Sorry, I have a day job. But why do any of you care, if this is a random Universe where nothing matters? When you take your last breath the lights go out, yes? So nothing y0u do matters at all. Especially if you map that against the 14+ coherent years we can observe the Cosmos has been here, and round off your life span, as science tends to do, since it doesn't really have the capability to quantify or measure Infinity, by simple definition of Infinity.
Let me know if I forgot any of you please.
In the meantime, what part of Infinity is it that you Atheists don't get?
@skohayes Why do we need coherency> I thought, Poof, by magic, from random chaos it all came?
Poor biscuit still can't even find himself. Let's see now, which Neuron or molecule or string waveicle is "biscuit" in now? Where in the whirl is biscuit? LOL
@CarsonMcKnight explain how you get meaning and purpose from Chaos and randomness. That is just intellectual dishonesty. Today it's corn, tomorrow it's a bicycle. That is your random universe, which only exists in your convoluted minds. In 41= billion years, corn has not randomly turned into a bicycle. Why not?
@CarsonMcKnight What is there to understand in a universe that is random governed by chaos? Your Egos are all cheating, trying to invent a Universe that appears by random magic, from the lens of coherency! Go back to randomness. Now, how do you get to coherency, with no Intelligence to recognize it with? it's impossible.
More importantly, why do you even care? once you take your last breath, nothing you did matters. According to you.
What part of Infinity don't you Pseudo atheists understand? You aren't real Atheists, because you all care...about something. Atheists by definition should not care about anything.
@skohayes You over think it because of the shadow cast by your Ego driven intellect.
Explain to us all, oh enlightened one, how science works in a random Universe dominated and governed by Chaos?
First comes coherency. Randomness and Chaos only come about secondarily, to define Coherency. I gave you several scientific proofs, like the Princeton Millennium project.
Science has to have a coherent Universe, and can't exist in one governed by chaos.
Otherwise, to day I measure Oxygen, but tomorrow the same measurement turns up a banana. :) In your version of thew random Cosmos. With no Intelligence providing for the Laws of Nature. Or more importantly, maintaining those COHERENT laws for 14+ billion years. Coherency rules, your chaos drools!
is Skohas and his sky ferry the best you all have for Science is the Proof that God is? How sad then. With silly illogic like that you strive to be meaningless and pointless? Now you understand how powerful your Egos are, what powerful pull your desires and attractions have, and how you form your own personal Black Hole of circular logical intellect.
Nobody move of the Sheriff get's it!, says the sherrif in Blazing Saddles. That is you all. More scientifically, you are the Algorithm Mr. Smith in The Third Matrix, shouting as loud as you can, so as not to let the Truth in, "everything that has a beginning, has to have an ending, ...until you disappear, LOL!
Ever consider the sacred spiral of Pi, the one used to design some important parts of the human body?
Maybe this will help you flatlanders understand the scientific mistake you are making observing the Cosmos detached from it as though you personally are the center of the Universe.
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@skohayes Who said anything about 6000 years? I said in 14 Billion + years, the Universe has never collapsed into Chaos? Keeo up silly. Your childish attemps at humor don't equate to being much of a scientist, now do they?
Sky ferry? There you go seperating your self from the whole, as though you personally are the center of the Universe. No wonder you can't tell us who your are, where you are or why you were here. The stars and suns and planets? They all conform to the Laws of Nature. What Intellegnce created thos laws, maintians those laws for 14 Billion + years and arbitrates them daily?
WHat part of Infinity don't you attheists get.
And why do you care? About this post, about anything? When nothing matters in a Random Universe governed by Chaos? Why do you get out of bed each day? For what, when you have no meaning, menaing has nho meaning?
Let's make this the "Science needs God to exist (or not" post. Cone one, come all, explain to us with your Ego driven intellects how science and the scientific methos work in a random Universe governed by chaos. Please show us o grand intellects. we await the words of random wisdom. Oh wait, random and wisdon can't belong in the same universe, now can they?
Truth, Reality, is unchanging, absolute and eternally constant.
That which changes is Illusion.
The illusion is perpetuated by the delusion that one's self is the Center of the Universe (when I die the lights will go out).
Science it's self is Proof of God. Science can't exist with out God to create, maintain and arbitrate the laws that allow for science. Science has no context or definition in a random Universe governed by chaos. Neither does the word/concept of "governed".
" I am not interested in the make up of this or that molecule, or the spectrum of this or that element, I want to know how God created this world. I want to know HIS thoughts, the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
"Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
So science is THE proof God is. Bam! Slam! No typos needed in this coherent dominant Universe, hey? If you took a bunch of monkeys on typewriters, typing random letters, it would take more monkeys than there are atoms in the known Universe to type a coherent sentence. The rub is, there would be no Intelligence in a random Universe governed by Chaos to RECOGNIZE it was a coherent sentence, so it would not matter. LOL
I't impossible for darkness to beat the Light. It's impossible for Chaos and randomness to have come first. Silly Egos! Climb out of your black holes and stop arguing with one dimensionals about Fundamentalism and three dimensionals about the Universe beyond your two deimensional Flatland, and look around. All three are delusions. Reality is absolute and unchanging. Changes is illusion and delusion.
What part of Infinity don't you Atheists understand?
"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of Life is when men are afraid of the Light!" ~ Plato
@blamer nice handle Blamer, so what, it's not a random Universe now after all. Typos from iPad keyboards mean there is no trutyh in what is being commun icated now? heheheh, you made my point and my day! Coherency Rules, Atheists drool!