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It's not logic. It's intuition. Logic considers ALL the issues while intuition goes with a gut feeling. The stats below show that fast teams had fewer injuries in 2012 than the slow teams did.
Top 20 ‘Fast’ Teams in FBS Football 2012Average Plays per Game: 83.12Total Starts Lost to Injury: 143Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.15Average Starts Lost per Play: .086
Top 20 ‘Slow’ Teams in FBS Football 2012Average Plays per Game: 65.85Total Starts Lost to Injury: 151Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.55Average Starts Lost per Play: .115
If you are conditioned better, your injury rate per play will go down. That could be one reason that fast teams experience fewer injuries. Also, the faster teams may get more 1 on 1 plays which may lead to few injuries. The smash mouth style of play that power teams use, could lead to more injuries. I could go on and on. Blaming injuries on fast play is not logical at all because it does not take into account other issues, and as the stats above show, the other issues may actually be more important than the number of plays.
Really care about injuries? Lower the number of games played back to 11.
10 months, 3 weeks ago on SEC Football Coaches “Structure” An Attack On Proposed Slowdown Rule
Here's an interesting note on injuries from 2012 and comparing the top 20 fastest playing teams to the 20 slowest playing teams..
The slower teams had more missed starts, more injuries per play, and more total injuries than did the fast teams.
The rate of injury per play may go down when the game is played faster. There are some reasons that this counter-intuitive situation could occur (conditioning and playing style are just two.)
A good study would be interesting. I am just not convinced that more plays by a HUNH team automatically equals more injuries.
11 months, 1 week ago on Auburn’s Malzahn (No Surprise) Opposes Potential Rule Change To Slow Down Offenses
@John at MrSEC @Mark1984 I think you missed a point I was trying to make. Perhaps being conditioned well enough, and having the speed to play fast, makes one less injury prone. Thus, more plays by those that play the HUNH game doesn't necessarily mean more injuries (i.e. a higher injury rate) than those that play a more power oriented game. Collisions by big strong people cause injuries. If you play fast, and have the other team winded, it's harder for them to get a strong hit on you.
More plays doesn't mean more risk of injury John. That's a faulty premise. (I am pretty sure Auburn had fewer injuries last year than UGA or Florida.) All things being equal, your premise would be right. But not all things are equal. For instance, if you are playing against a faster team, you need to put more speed and less beef on the field. Faster players typically are not as big or as strong ergo, they don't often hit so as to "break" something. (Momentum does include speed and mass so there's give an take there.) Also, one should consider the type of conditioning the faster teams go through. Maybe that has an impact.
Now, if you play 50 plays in one game, and you as a person play 100 plays the next game against the same exact players, that run the same kind of plays then you are right. The risk of injury goes up. But when you change the type of plays called, the type of offense, the type of players, etc. you can't just say that it is logic dictates more injuries will occur. That's not sound reasoning. One has to include all the elements involved. To go back to your car analogy... If one person drives in NY city and another drives on the long lonely roads of Montana, do you think the accident rate per mile will be the same? They won't be because the conditions matter. Add in snow or sleet, or freezing rain in one location and it will skew even further.
I still don't get the "gimmick" moniker. The coaches that have run this system know they have an advantage in conditioning and want to use it. How is that different than someone that has a great back and runs the ball more? Or a great QB and uses him? Or three fantastic WR and decides to throw more? If you are bigger and stronger than I am, then I will plan on getting you winded so I can win at the end. If I wear you out, that's a strategy not a gimmick. Gimmick may be one play. But when it is used as a strategy to beat bigger, more talented teams, not sure why it's a gimmick instead of a strategy.
I think the quote "I don't want to see 59-42 SEC championship games" might be more relevant. I prefer low scoring games simply because every possession matters. It's like a 1-0 baseball game. Every pitch could be the difference in the game so you it keeps your attention. An 11-10 game one doesn't worry about missing an out or two. So yea, it's more entertaining when the game is close and the offenses aren't scoring almost every possession. But that doesn't mean that the HUNH is bad for the game. Others like a high scoring game.
Here's an article that shows how the top 20 fast teams last year had less injuries than the top 20 slow teams did. Perhaps the better conditioning the fast teams have to have, works to their advantage in the injury department.
From the article....
11 months, 2 weeks ago on Ole Miss’ Freeze Not Happy With NCAA Proposal To Slow The Game; But The NCAA Should Do Just That
@John at MrSEC Curious... have you looked to see how many injuries occurred in the NUNH games as opposed to those that didn't have HUNH as one of the teams? Then to break it down even more, how many occurred when the HUNH offense was on the field? Would be interesting to see how many occurred with the HUNH offense on the field and see what the per minute rate was for injuries.
UGA and Florida had tons of injuries last year and neither of those teams run the HUNH. Most of UGA's injuries occurred against teams that don't run the HUNH. Not sure about UF though. Also, UGA's biggest injuries, and most of them, occurred on offense and they don't run the HUNH.
Even so, would you be for getting rid of kickoff since so many injuries occur on that play? (I know I would but many wouldn't.) Also, for the record, I see HUNH as a strategy and not a gimmick and my team doesn't run it. It's innovation in the same way the West Coast offense was innovative.
There's a difference between a gimmick and a strategy. A gimmick might be something like the fumblerooski. But a strategy is how the game is played and has a reason behind it that impacts the overall arch of the game. Fast pace offenses are based in strategy and not gimmickry. Why change the rules because a teams strategy doesn't fit with your desires and preferences? What changes the game for worse, are generally bad rules not strategic innovations.
No one forced people to have a phone back in the day either. They were free to have one or choose not to. The government still broke up Ma Bell and for good reason. There is no viable alternative to college football for players right now. The government should simply force them to compete for players. They have a practical anti-trust exemption right now. I suspect when the fallout of the Obanon suit hits, the NCAA will be appealing to congress for an anti-trust exemption. If they don't get one, you'll see players start making a lot more money.
11 months, 2 weeks ago on Ex-Gamecock Clowney: “I Would Have Probably Stayed In College” If I’d Been Paid
"Now toss in money and a union and that whole system will change. It’ll change for the better for the players financially. But it likely won’t change for the better for anyone else."
Shouldn't it change for the better for the players first and foremost? If the NCAA can get away with collusion, why is it such a bad thing when the players try the same thing?
12 months ago on A Union Would Be Good For College Football Players, But Bad For Most Everyone Else
Good write up. SOS deserves praise for his coaching prowess. You would think between him and Bill Snyder schools would be willing to hire older coaches that have proven track records.
1 year ago on Report: Carolina To Bump Spurrier’s Pay To $4 Million
Hard to see how WKU became a "chump" with Petrino. With the buy out clause, they ended up making a few hundred thousand dollars on the hire. Plus, they went 8-4 and beat UK. They avoided the embarrassing off field troubles that hit all the other programs. And they avoided the eventual shambles that come with bad recruiting. IMO, WKU won with this hire. Hard to see a bad side for WKU when all things are considered, IMO. Because it was a fast turn around, they got the best and avoided the worst.
1 year ago on Louisville Destined To Be Burned Again By Petrino
I think the targeting rule is having an impact as well. It's not only giving teams more first downs via penalty, and taking out a good defender when it's called. It's also changing the way DBs (safeties in particular) and LBs are hitting receivers across the middle of the field. Those hits use to go a long way towards keeping Os in check.
1 year, 2 months ago on SEC Stats: The League’s Defenses Much Worse Than Last Year
@John at MrSEC John, I saw your post but now I can't find it. I'll try to clarify... The SEC and the NCAA are about money. You readily admit in your post that no conference would suspend a kid (i.e. Dial) for the championship game even if he deserved it. The reason they won't do that, is the same reason they protect that team late in the regular season. Sometimes, they can't completely do it. But again, I still wait for a study on game changing penalties instead of hiding behind stats that look at all penalties the same. They are not all the same. More likely what we will find is a home field advantage for all teams. But, until the Dials of the world are suspended, we can all acknowledge the conferences are protecting their champions.
1 year, 3 months ago on Refs From Georgia / Vandy Game Could Face Discipline
So you are admitting that Bama gets special treatment from the NCAA. We agree. Why do you think the NCAA would give them special treatment but not the SEC and not the refs?
1 year, 3 months ago on Nixon’s Pardon, Timing And The Real Reason Miami and Missouri’s Haith Got Off Lightly
@John at MrSEC @Mark1984 That's why people believe there is favoritism to those (or that) team(s) at the top. If they won't suspend a kid for the championship game, then they aren't going to suspend a kid for a game that might keep a team out of the championship game. It's favoritism at its worst. With Dial, the committee recommended he be suspended. But safety only goes so far with the SEC I suppose. What they are saying is "So long as it doesn't cost us a championship, we'll suspend a kid". We need some consistency.
Mr. Slive has already indicated that he wants the penalty overturned if the suspension is overturned. We'll see that even if a bigger game isn't influenced.
I don't buy it about the roles being reversed if UGA was going to the game. We see it with Bama a lot. The statistics you quote in other articles often ignore the game changing circumstances with penalties. At the end of the year, this penalty will just be another stat to look at it, but the timing, and result cost a game. It's not the same as the one that UGA got earlier with Drew. Penalties can't be looked at statistically to see bias, IMO. Look at impact and effect. Then I will be convinced that the SEC doesn't protect the BCS bound schools, and especially Bama, most of the time.
That last penalty against UGA gave Vandy a first down after UGA stopped them on 4th. It was a game changing play and cost UGA the game. Sure there were other plays that cost UGA the game too. But get that call right in real time, and UGA wins.
Wonder how big a deal it would be if something similar cost Bama a shot at a MNC. We know the SEC didn't suspend Dial last year after the committee recommended a suspension.
Here's an interesting blog note about that from the Senator. Saban had an interesting advantage because of a former Ole Miss coach that was in the Bama coaching booth during the game. I agree with the premise of your article, just thought this was an interesting add on.
1 year, 3 months ago on Ole Miss QB Wallace Talked, Alabama Simply Played
Explain the Dial situation last year. The committee recommended that Dial should have been suspended for his hit on Murray but he was not. He didn't even get flagged. I could buy that in the heat of the moment, the ref was not watching, missed it, flubbed the play, etc. But after the committee recommended suspending him and the SEC didn't...
1 year, 5 months ago on Uh, Let’s Just Say Bama Is Disciplined, When It Comes To Penalties
Coach Miles is not being inconsistent. He's saying exactly what every competitor and athlete feels. When you look at the overall picture, it's not a fair schedule. However, when Florida week comes around, LSU is amped up and ready to play and looking forward to the game. Both statements are true.
1 year, 6 months ago on Miles Says “Bring It On” Regarding Schedule: “I Like Us In Every Game”
It's nobody's business why Manziel left the camp early except for those directly involved in the situation.
1 year, 6 months ago on Bama’s McCarron Can Expect Manziel Questions Tomorrow
One of the problems with studies like this is it ignores when the penalties occurred and what kind of penalties occurred. A flag at the right/wrong time and for the right/wrong distance can change a game. Those are the kind of issues that fans notice and fuss about.
1 year, 7 months ago on 5 Years Of Penalties: Which Teams Get More Flags On The Road Than At Home?
Also, basketball players know how to catch the ball. Soft hands. You can't play basketball if you can't catch.
1 year, 11 months ago on Monday Recruiting Thread 04-Feb-13 | February | 2013 Articles
The only way they can sign more than 25 is to back count them to last year and that only happens with EE's. So 25 should be the max they can sign on wednesday.
1 year, 11 months ago on Saturday Recruiting Thread 02-Feb-13 | January | 2013 Articles
They can't sign more than 25 LOIs on Wednesday. That's the SEC limit regardless of how many you have open on the 85 limit. Depending on how many EE's they had, it could be even less unless those EE's count towards last year. Grey shirting only helps with the 85 overall limit because they can sign and count towards next year, which will actually lower the number of ships below 25 by the number of grey shirts.
@RakkasandawgDepth. In the 2nd half against Bama, our guys were winded. We need more bodies.
1 year, 11 months ago on Thursday Recruiting Thread 31-Jan-13 | January | 2013 Articles
All one needs to do is compare his twitter feed while he was at Bama with his twitter feed while he was at UGA.
1 year, 12 months ago on Sunday Recruiting Thread 27-Jan-13 | January | 2013 Articles
@nickmac6 Thanks Nick. It's a tough site to navigate. You have to jump around too much to keep up. Plus,. I had to create a account in order to see the posts.
1 year, 12 months ago on Saturday Recruiting Thread 26-Jan-13 | January | 2013 Articles
what is his blog's url?
He was double teame some. Looks like his momentum was used against him a good bit too. Also, it looked like the center was able to get some leverage on him because he center was shorter and able to get into his chest.
1 year, 12 months ago on Film study: Jonathan Jenkins vs. Alabama | January | 2013 Articles
@bigredballer @Mark1984 I agree it's not a violation for the recruit to give the information. The reason I mentioned it is the article makes it sound like the info is coming from Bobo. Perhaps I am being paranoid. :-) For instance "Bobo doesn't handle ... but he says" makes it sound like Bobo said it to the article writer. Like I said, I am probably just being paranoid. Enjoying your site so far.
2 years ago on 01-15-2013 Tuesday Recruiting Thread (Laremy Tunsil Update)
If Bobo said anything about DW, then that is a recruiting violation. Might want to change your wording.
Keep in mind that Murphy did his thing before steroids became an issue. He was 20th or so on the all time home run list when he retired. Add to that the gold glove awards, MVPs, etc. I don't really understand why he is not already in the hall of fame.
2 years ago on Wednesday Recruiting Thread 09-Jan-13
If they go to a BCS bowl they get to keep all of that money too which brings their total to over 30 million. That's way more than the teams in the big conferences get. The money they make depends on how successful they are as team. In a conference, there's more stability, less risk, but also less reward.
2 years ago on Dawg Treats 08-Dec-13
So Dial said his hit was a clean hit. Looks like the SEC got their message across loud and clear to Dial.
2 years ago on SEC Headlines 1/6/2013
So much for internal punishment. Dial calling his hit on Murray "clean".
2 years ago on Dawg Treats 06-Jan-13
@Socrates = Old Man Line Guy @ChevyDawg82 @CPAdawg Hybl was one and he started (I think) at Oklahoma. Cobb was another and I think he started at Auburn.
I like the rule change. The kids should be able to transfer far more easily than they do now.
2 years ago on New NCAA Transfer Rules?
@Socrates = Old Man Line Guy @Bleudawg @ecdawg Yep. Two advantages CMR always seemed to have at FSU was an experienced QB (rarely did one start till he was a Junior) and those fast, tall WR that could catch everything. We have both this year and it showed. Push the opposing D all the time and never back down.
2 years ago on New Year's Day Recruiting Thread 2013
@SEC fan When Sports writers (See article above) state it has to do with the next game, that's a big deal. It means the SEC is putting reputation, money, etc. above player safety in the eyes of even the journalist. Not a good day for the SEC office.
2 years, 1 month ago on No Suspension For Bama's Dial Over SEC Title Game Hit On UGA's Murray
@randompants IMO, leading with the helmet has nothing to do with intent and everything to do with form. He made helmet to helmet contact first because he led with his helmet. He left his feet and I don't think it was the result of being tangled. He didn't trip, his feet came off the ground prior to being tangled.
That said, yea, it should have been a suspension and the SEC office will have a hard time living this one down. With Fairly last year and Dial this year, it's a pattern. Don't want your guy suspended, make sure you are a highly ranked team.
@randompants Yep. He led with his helmet and left his feet. This one will be brought up over and over again. Every time someone is suspended for "leading with his helmet and launching" this hit will be brought up. SEC messed up here big time.
Yep. Should have been suspended. The league will have a very hard time living this one down. They will reap fan accusations for years to come as a result. Too bad for the players, officials, and finally too bad for the SEC office.
If he doesn't get suspended, it will just confirm the SEC is selective in when they enforce the rule based on the team and upcoming opponent.
2 years, 1 month ago on Bama’s Dial “Getting A lot Of Heat” Over Hit On UGA’s Murray, But Will He Get A Suspension?
@John at MrSEC @secfanSC SOS could have said "I won't give an interview while Morris is in the room" but you said that wouldn't fly with reporters. I have no beef with him not taking questions. Access isn't a right. (And for the record, I am a life long UGA fan!)
2 years, 3 months ago on UGA's Richt Doesn't Show It If The Media Gets Under His Skin
Good morning John. My beef with reporters in this case is the double standard. Reporters feel like it's OK for them to blast a coach but when that coach fights back, he's wrong. It's hypocritical. CMR is a great guy and a great example for many of us. You won't find him publicly criticizing people very often. That said, reporters seem to think they have rights that other's don't have. They don't. As I've stated before, they have the right to a free press, meaning they can print just about anything (excluding libel, etc.) But there's no constitutional guarantee for access.
Kudos to you for admitting publicly how hard it is to respond gracefully.
@John at MrSEC @vehemon John, Does a man have to give up his freedom so that the press can get their answers? When was the last time the constitution was used to force the president to have a news conference?
2 years, 3 months ago on Doyel: Spurrier Needs To Worry About Coaching, Not The Media
@John at MrSEC @phrogs4ever You're also saying SOS doesn't have the right to remain silent. He does. And he has the right to request changes at the paper. Doesn't mean the paper has to agree to them.
@John at MrSEC @Mark1984 The press can do anything it wants with it. USC has just as much freedom to yank access it wants to. The press is not god to demand access and the right to write anything it wants. It can write, within reason (no libel, etc.) but access is not a guarantee. SOS has rights as well and so does USC.
I can't believe you would compare a coach refusing to do interviews to a free press. Morris is free to write anything he wants. Doesn't mean the coach has to give him access. It's a silly comparison.
(I'm a life long UGA fan.) So you are comparing the president, who rarely, if ever, has a press conference, who also has a guy that spins the media for the president, to a coach who has to answer questions weekly? Really? The media is wrong on this one. The guy attacked SOS integrity. It was bad manners and bad reporting If this is what reporting has come to, why not just write for the national enquiror.
2 years, 3 months ago on No Speculating: Spurrier Hits Morris With Both Barrels, Says He May “Head To The Beach”