MJRaichyk
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@StephenSmith1@TomPower1@mogul264
StephenSmith1. TomPower1. mogul264.
First of all, the valid statistical polls are not just self-selected, which this group would be...
and second of all, we still have a racial problem in this country, unless you subscribe to the idea that 93% of women voters would vote for a woman candidate over a male one.... they don't... but we still see these race-baiting games being effective when 93% of black voters swing to a black candidate over another race. Similarly, we saw excessively high percents of 'color' voters in the 'color' candidate's column...
even in government union battles at the expense of taxpayers... perhaps you can envision what happened in Ohio, under the contest with the unions, those teachers and government workers had favorable access to the ballot box with the afternoon off to go vote, and they and their self-serving relatives swamped the balloting after thoroughly threatening working parents with loss of their children's safety in the classroom and loss of the working parents' access to schoolage-daycare-services while they worked...
just like the school levy promoters characteristically used to threaten the catholics with loss of their 'free' bussing services if the public school levy didn't pass... resulting in those catholic and private schools then blocking the ballot-control that public school parents should have had when they were dissatisfied with school performance.
And who would control what bills were proffered, the number of bills could be out of control.. the whole committee structure would seem to have a purpose that does not get served in the free-for-all idea.. much as it is tempting when we see the current mess... ttyl
@StephenSmith1 @TomPower1 @mogul264 The tyranny of the 'majority' would devolve into multiple tyrannies of minorities, under the description of your own vision of barely 5% at any one time being interested in the issue they have proffered. Total chaotic back and forth as the next issue compounds the flaws in the previous. Becoming more like a brawl. ttyl
@DorotheaTeasley @KansasBright Dorothea, your logic is so full of holes as to be laughable. You proclaim you are so free and then a dozen lines later you proclaim that you, and we, are born 'bonded (enslaved)' by choice of force!!! You blather on about how our initial colonists just were so free in their minds and lives, yet you clearly admit that they were ONLY as free as the King allowed BY NEGLECT..
You are the one you has no understanding of the reality of what the constitution is. You fail to see that it is a contract that binds us and we (our founders ) wrote it to establish a form of government (to avoid anarchy with no government) that would not violate the freedoms that we are entitled to under our nature and religiously held ideas. That contract defines our civic self, as surely as if defines that limits put on the states and the federal government as to what they can do as the other parties to that contract that our founders signed and that we have continued (at least those who honor their solemn contracts) grant governing rights as long as those actions of that government do not violate the terms of the contract. The contract does establish the rules and we live under the rule of law, to the extent that the constitution as a contract is not violated. Under those rules we may withdraw consent to be governed and use our rights as jurors to judge the laws made as well.
Hope you don't ever go around making such frozenly unbounded self-contradicting statements in your own contract dealings or you are cooked. ttyl.
@KansasBright @FRENCHIE Our own medical establishment is precisely that, a cartel, complete with control of licensees... the medical structure fits the Hitlerian scheme, and should likely be seeable in that history, though they attempt to hide behind claims of scientific-truth, which is not the reality, and is why the FDA should be on our list to take down... ttyl
@DorotheaTeasley @KansasBright @KrisJackson Read Calvin Coolidge again, and then Reuban Clarks' finale that it's our allegiance to the Constitution that defines us as free people, which then leads to the writer's statement, so crucial to see... that it is our duty to be part of the constitution-defined government, not to be part of the governed-over... and then ask yourself would someone who was part of the government, not the governed over, be unable to stand in a courtroom PRO SE and challenge the corruption inside government...
Yet how much of such powerful knowledge as standing pro se in an ordinary courtroom is ever permitted to be shown to students, with a limit to a few hand-picked -to-be-lawyers as special enrichment opportunity once.... as homeschooling makes its way to be accepted, we should initiate such opportunities universally, and then let anyone follow the ease of introducing new ideas that matter as can be done by homeschooling... and maybe a libertarian charter school...
We should start practicing getting comfort in knowing the rules and forms in our local courts, know their websites' resources, and visualize taking our own place in governing as part of our allegiance to our constitution of freedom.
We have done it a couple of times, and find some changes in thought processes harder to pick up on the fly. As a builder and mathematician, my natural inclination is to put ideas together to make my argument as those ideas are emerging, but that's verboten in a court, where the rules only allow dragging out all the pieces and ideas during questioning, and only putting them together at the conclusion in the 'argument' presentation. This I find is prone to loss of strength in construction, but the rest of the process and forms are not that huge of an obstacle if you enjoy paperwork and digging. The lawyers for the opposition are obviously not appreciative, and their clients are penalized by having to pay the lawyers' bills, one way you can disadvantage overly-advantaged opponents.
@Monorprise @West Texan Very good point, that generational education problem is crucial. There were massive numbers going to Dr Ron Paul's events on campuses. And yet that was in spite of the indoctrination -- both 'trust govt' ideas as well as the physical incarceration feeling of isolation from your parent/sibling support that naturally has supported the early learning of independence. So clearly, we have to get back to the parent/sibling/home sort of learning venue.
In Ohio we have cyber charter schools so that parents can keep their youngsters well supplied with res independent and able-expecting people. For parents who currently cannot be at home enough, there would be grandparents for some of them, which would work. Alternatively, a voucher system would give parents at least more control of such small operations as may be considered to be more home-support for children's rightful independence in learning.
Surely, if libertarian ideas can supply us with homeschooling ideas, there must be enough networking support to build a charter school alternative, don't you think? And multigenerational homes would be more financially stable with grandma's SSA and she'd have care for her bigger household chores, and be more likely able to support small businesses that develop with new ideas...
And ultimately, cutting down school-levy needs would move more tax dollars into circulation for better results... but that's longer term.... ttyl
@RogerDodger it was Romney's own fault. The GOP chose to play the sex-card in order to steal voters' attention away from Ron Paul's growing following on the real issue of the financial/monetary/budget issues that the GOP/Romney crowd were afraid of.. so the GOP's stupid agenda on birthcontrol for unmarried women, and abortion-after-rape ideas sent women back to Obama..
And when that fine kid in the hoodie was suffering from the mismanagement of the Florida cop's racist behavior, Romney could have joined the outcry by millions of white/euro netizens who demanded justice and accountability from the cops, but he shied away and let the racist Democrats play race-baiting games on the airwaves... to Obama's benefit, since the exit polls show the incited racism is ugly and virulent, with 93% blacks voting for O, 74% asians and 69% hispanics so all the 'people of color' are allowing their own racism to lead their voting, regardless of what damage O has done to their own neighborhoods and jobs..
So Romney is the one to blame for Obama's victory. His own cheating and his lack of leadership has cost us another 4 years of O.. ttyl
@Michael Boldin Unfortunately, Costa Rica is one of the places in the history books where the FDA did grab a non-violent American and so we do think your confidence is not enough. As for the drug war, the Libertarians have that as one of their major issues in the form of their Vice Presidential candidate Judge Gray. See you in the trenches.
@Michael Boldin you didn't answer my question. Where is the defense against the FDA's standard practice of using bounty hunters, whether the FDA can get state co-operation. I have granted that the nullification strategy has power, but not with any confidence that it is as bloodless as you portray it. History records that bounty hunters do not care which governing pockets pay them.
In short unless you have an actual plan to cut the pockets dry, as well as nullifying at the state level, there is not a decent way to follow this path with any confidence. And yes, we are not neophytes and have pushed our legislators, to use nullification law forms, but even when we find an open ear, this is not enough. Funding the federal government has to be cut WITHOUT breaking the law, which I believe is doable if everyone thought about it. And I object to the idea that we in the background are not already shouldering our load in this battle. Including the courtroom battlegrounds. With no results and no sensible confidence in that route, yet the tangle doesn't end so easily.
Although I agree with your nullification by non-compliance concept, it appears from your confidence in success that you are oblivious to what DC's henchmen will do when the State and Local (if you're lucky) resist the idea of helping... we doubt your assurances..
in the medical confrontations, the FDA has simply used bounty hunters to kidnap medical personnel, going so far as to violate international sovereignty borders and citizen rights, even kidnapping foreign nationals. Torture and death are still their reality. Where's your strategy for such..
I want to hear what you have as your confidence before accepting the idea that your leadership is where Ron Paul supporters should turn exclusively.
Not when there's a viable candidate YET that does make the constitutionality ideas stand up as prime.
Now if the system blocks the Libertarian candidate from participating in the Debates then truly nullification and non-compliance -- in many forms -- is all that's left. For now our best bet is to focus on getting Governor Gary Johnson into the Debates, and that is the current goal at garyjohnson2012.com so come and join in.
We do suppose Gary Johnson is our best hope for liberty's banner carriers. ttyl