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@amazingblue Of course Reilly is dead wrong. He fell into the same trap that amateurs do--not being able to distinguish between relevance in general and on-field relevance. It's such an easy distinction, it boggles me how so many do not get it.
I'm not convinced by any of your reasons for joining the Big 10. NBC pays a similar amount--and even if it is slightly less (not sure)--ND certainly isn't hurting for money. "BTN is available in virtually all of the major media markets." Well, NBC is available in every market, major and minor. That's every single one of ND's home games. Pretty much every away game is on ABC or ESPN. I live in PA and a few years ago couldn't get a PSU game because I didn't have BTN. Why would ND want less TV access than they have now?
So now you're criticizing ND for not playing patsies? And it shows they just care about themselves? That's a new one. I like playing marquee opponents across the country, though I think the schedule should be organized a bit better. Most of our games already have a conference championship feel to them... they're sold out, on national TV, and against marquee opponents. And if ND wins out with a schedule like this, they'll be a lock for playing in the national championship, conference game or not.
You like to say Notre Dame are elitists, that they think they are better than everyone else, that they don't care about anybody other than themselves... yet: 1) You haven't even come close to giving a good reason why ND should surrender its independence to join a conference; and 2) You know darn well if Michigan or pretty much any other school was in ND's shoes they would be doing the exact same thing that ND is doing. What am I missing
2 years ago on Reilly’s Rant About Notre Dame A Sign Of Things To Come For The SEC
@amazingblue Amazing, you are correct that Meghan is incorrect that ND wanted to join the Big 10 in the 90's. There was some interest, and the staff at ND voted in favor of joining, but ultimately the powers-that-be at ND decided no. However, you are incorrect that Meghan started this. As far as I can tell, she responded to you and your accusation that ND is elitist (boy, as a Michigan fan, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black). Ancient history is still history, and the blatant fact of the matter is if Michigan wasn't so "elitist," ND would have been in the Big 10 for about 90 years now. You are correct that the college landscape has changed, and the Big 10 would now bend over backwards for ND. My question to you is why would ND want to join the Big 10? Put yourself in ND's shoes. What benefits to joining the Big 10 would compel them to surrender their independence? You have to know that if Michigan was in ND's shoes they would be doing the exact same thing.
@BT You must not know many people in the south. Ask Alabama fans, especially old-time Alabama fans, what they think of ND. For many, behind Auburn, ND is their favorite team to lose. I find that odd.
@amazingblue Yes, ND has made many horrible hiring decisions. I think much of it has to do with whom the AD in charge was at the time for most of the hires (Kevin White). The jury is still out on Brian Kelly, though I'm not sure him being wrapped way too tight is even close to the biggest reason why. Afterall, he was wrapped pretty tight for the past 20 years, and he was very successful at his other stops. Kids seemed to respond to to him there.
@BT I would. But you're dead wrong with how relevance is determined. It's determined in many ways. You obsessively commenting about a school that you don't cheer for or who hasn't done much on the field in the past 15 years lends creedence to this author's argument. Do you do the same about Georgia Tech or Clemson?
@amazingblue Hello amazing. Yes, believe it or not, history does go back further than the late 1980's. Google it or read John Kyrk's book (he's a Michigan fan who wrote about the ND/Michigan series). Michigan was the first to thumb their noses, not the other way around. In a sense, Michigan actually made ND the national brand that it is today.
I'd rather not join the Big 10, for the simple reason that I love to travel all over the country to see ND play. That will be greatly diminished if we join any conference, particularly the Big 10.
Obviously the reason is important, but that's clearly beyond you. If it's coaching, scheduling, etc., those things can easily be fixed. If it's more institutional (i.e. a blatant attempt by the hire-ups to emphasize football), then that's a lot harder. And as far as has beens, I remember a time not too long ago that Alabama was down for a bit, with USC and Oklahoma down for longer periods. They came back. Calling a huge, traditional program a has been ususally turns out to be nothing more than wishful thinking.
@viciousdawg Stop paying attention to ND and maybe it will happen. Until haters stop caring, ND will always be in the spotlight. Though I imagine that concept might be too difficult for you to understand.
@Meghan @kentatm Disagree with Meghan to a degree, but GeoffDawg, it's hilarious that you actually compare Florida, A&M and Mizzou's admission standards (either in general or for football players) to ND's. They aren't even close. Even a modicum of research will tell you that. Vandy is the only team in the SEC who is comparable.
True... to compare them is kind of silly. ND actually cares about the "student" part of student-athlete and doesn't engage in the nefarious practice of oversigning.
Amazing blue is amazingly unaware of history... it is his Wolverines who originally blocked ND from joining the Big 10 way-back-when, when the Irish really wanted to join. Typical arrogant Michigan Man with no regard for the facts whatsoever.