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 @logosmann Oho-kay then! No, they weren't invisible, I was just unaware of the level of crazy we were taking this to...  So, based on the assumptions which make it possible to operate in this reality, (The object is as physically there as the entity making the sensory observation, a fact both the child and the observer are aware of) there is clear and unequivocal evidence for the existence of the person.  I would also *tend* to assume (though this is not *always* the case) that the child doesn't like the person as a result of a specific interaction with the person... This is another significant point of difference in terms of not liking God.

2 years, 1 month ago on The Dreadful Dangers of Learning to Think: A Cautionary Tale – By Jane Douglas

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 @logosmann  

Well then, let's work on your arguments shall we?

 

1) "critical thinking skills" - you'll see that these are not in capitals.  They are not the title of a curriculum. They oppose these skills in their entirety, conveniently a part of OBE, rather than an OBE-specific curriculum based around them.

 

2) You clearly intimately know how Jane thinks, to know that her first principles remain invisible to her.  You also fail to tell us what this first principle is in her case.  This would be basic evidence.  I would suggest that given she wound up losing her perceived "support community" over her worldview change, she has a better idea than most about how it came to be and what it really is.

 

3) I'm amazed to hear that this post is about the ontological legitimacy of theism.

 

4) Isn't this post about how freethinking changed Jane's mind on Christianity?  Not the greater validity of theology on the whole?

 

5) "If God is real, and the Bible is his book, then I want nothing to do with the bastard." She's based her opinion of God on the evidence Christianity lays out for him.  The Bible portrays scene after scene of amazing amorality on the part of God, mass murder, sanctioned rape, forced abortion... He's quite a horrific being, as it turns out.  

 

6)  Except that there is clear and unequivocal evidence for the existence of the person the child doesn't like.  There is no such evidence for God.

 

The Major straw man in this argument is that this was never advertised as anything except autobiographical material...

2 years, 1 month ago on The Dreadful Dangers of Learning to Think: A Cautionary Tale – By Jane Douglas

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 @blamer  @HiltonT I never said that he can't be godlike. blamer has hit the nail on the head.  Blamer: I was born to two baptist pastors, old habits die hard ;-)

2 years, 1 month ago on The Dreadful Dangers of Learning to Think: A Cautionary Tale – By Jane Douglas

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Awesome article Jane! Much of my "religious thinking" revolves around a similar principle: "If God is truly all-powerful, and does nothing to help the innocents of our world, then he is not worthy even of my respect, let alone adoration and worship." I believe in a God who wishes us well, but cannot intervene in our world. I'm not quite as good at letting it go as you are ;-)

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