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4 months, 2 weeks ago on Your DMS awaits.
@echampagne @etc No, sorry - that was actually for Mr. Petrowski directly :)
And no, it definitely isn't normal. I was addressing the issues with DMS' subscription based model. I know they're working on getting the previous accounts reactivated.
@John Petrowski @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne Wait...let's ignore PL for a second. I did a bit of research just to understand your perspective: "We offer complete websites for one flat fee of $500 and no money down is required. You have to approve the design before an invoice is sent. This fee is all-inclusive:"You are everything that is wrong with the web development industry. Wow.Now wonder you have a propensity to marginalize Pagelines and their efforts...you marginalize yourself as a business model.
@John Petrowski @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne Are you a business neophyte? The reason I ask is because the claim that a subscription based model is purely based on greed is patently untrue.
Firstly: Maintenance charges in software are certainly nothing new, so to insinuate here that the model is novel or unique is nonsense. Even within the WP ecosystem itself, many of the best plugins have shifted to a recurring licensing model, because it was recognized that a single-purchase model was not sustainable in the long run.
Secondly: If Pagelines' business model was based on pure greed...what is the demand that you should receive the value of a product including support ad infinitum? Isn't that greed? Aren't you making money off the value you receive from PL?Thirdly: The fact is, in the long run, single purchase models don't typically last. If you're really wanting a platform that you can invest in and develop on for the long term, the sustainability and viability of the business model should be one of your driving and primary considerations.
@echampagne @etc Perhaps I've inadvertently caused some confusion. I can say, unequivocally, that these comments are not the proper forum to receive support, and you likely won't receive the support you'd like here. I know the forums have been restored, so you might want to take a look there for some official support. Most of the support you'd receive in the IRC channel is going to be that of the community.
@echampagne @etc @buddhatunes http://webchat.freenode.net/ - the channel is #pagelines.
@echampagne @buddhatunes Blog comments aren't a good medium for support. If you join the #pagelines IRC channel, there are individuals that are more equipped to handle your inquiries or walk you through certain things. It's just a better medium for support. The community that surrounds PL is pretty healthy, and most are more than willing to help you where they can. :)
@redefiler @Lucas Garvin @buddhatunes @MaxwellBoardman @peterluit
"You've got nothing better to do than chastise people" - this statement has to be the prime candidate for the "hypocrisy knows no bounds" award. Your delusion is breathtaking.
There are plenty of people "complaining" here that no one is taking issue with. You're just being an obsessive troll - one who has explicitly stated they won't be a customer. Your purpose here is purely to disparage, not to "complain" constructively.I can also tell you you're completely off base almost every time you speculate...your conjecture re: the hack included.
@redefiler @etc You're delusional or lying to yourself. Most of your posts cover the gamut from purely irrational to downright abusive. It's only when that fact is mentioned do you magically find the ability to post constructively, and in a tempered manner. The notion that I respond primarily to you, because you're complaining, is spurious.
"Pros" act with a sense of decorum.
Also, are you trying out some new comedic timing style, where you try an unfunny joke over and over, hoping it might be a hit on the third try? Either way, what is your obsession with my avatar anyways?
@Matthew01970 It's quite obvious it's all over your head given your penchant for the misuse of the word hubris. You do know it's a noun, right? The word you're looking for is probably hubristic. The fact that you didn't actually understand the post explains why you've made the blunder of claiming my post was "vicious."
It is mind boggling that you have the temerity to claim I'm being unprofessional, given what I was responding to. This must be a joke. Please tell me you're not being serious right now, because if you are, God help you.
If you can't keep it rational and rooted in reality, move on, it's not worth blowing out your brain cells trying to put together a cogent sentence or coherent thought.
@asabharwal @Dannyh @Matthew01970 Only the design tools require Chrome. You may visit the site on any of the browsers you mentioned. Chrome's JS engine is really just that much better, and PL is not unique in its focus on the Chrome JS engine for its dev.The principle you speak of refers mainly to visitors, not necessarily what browser is used to access the design tools.
The previous product bears very little resemblance to DMS.
Firefox will be dead soon enough. I believe it's less than 20% market share at this point, relegating it close to IE8 levels.
@Matthew01970 @nandorj78 @Dannyh That is correct, directory names are case sensitive on many systems, and either way, can wreak havoc on the WP systems that traverse the tree to find files. Always stick with all lowercase.
@Matthew01970 I'm a bit perplexed. How you could read that as being "vicious" is beyond me. Perhaps you misread? A little over your head?
@x3mgroup @etc @redefiler Don't be absurd. You have every right to be angry and complain. And you're absolutely right, complaints should be listened to, intently. But when complaining stops being constructive, and cross over into abuse, libel and assault, it certainly doesn't serve its ultimate purpose. Unless of course, in redefiler's case, they lack all basic decency.
For the number that might be disappointed in the shifts that PL has undergone. That's fine. They're not the type to listen to reason, or the rational basis of model shift either. They are either willfully ignorant, or can't grasp why a shift to a recurring model is necessary. All they think in their troglodyte minds is "PL BAD, ME HATE SUBSCRIIPPPTTSSSION, MEEE NOOO LLLLIKKKEEEY."But here's the real kicker, x3m. redefiler is admittedly not a customer. In fact, it seems she/he made the decision long ago that they would abandon the platform. Furthermore, she/he states that she has no further interest in Pagelines. She/he is not a customer that is trying to provide constructive feedback. I don't know why you can't seem to make that distinction.If you don't feel you've been treated properly by PL, and you have looked at their new software, and disregarded it since the value proposition doesn't make sense, then in the end, you'll go towards iTheme and Headway, and PL will have lost you as a customer. Vote with your money.
There's no need to become a embittered troll of a jackass who intends to do nothing more than rabble-rouse and abuse.
@redefiler You're right, perhaps I was foolhardy to assume that someone so downright pugnacious and antagonistic was male. Maybe I was giving females in general the benefit of the doubt. It's typically a pigheaded broseph that's so hostile and acerbic, but no - you just have no class.Regardless, let me get this straight. You came here, on a personal mission, to try to steer potential users away, not with calm, tempered, rational arguments, but by acting like a damned buffoon?That mail you received was not personal, although with your sense of entitlement, I wouldn't be surprised if you thought it was. If you don't want to get it anymore, unsubscribe. It's that simple. It's amazing, though, that you are still basing all of your comments on conjecture, and based on your troll-time investment, it isn't for want of opportunity. You really are here to do nothing more than rabble-rouse.
You are the very definition of a troll.
It just so happens that you have a messiah complex, and believe you are bringing salvation to those potential heathens and wretches that would dignify PL with consideration! How unfathomable!BTW, if that's what you gathered from the pricing comparison, you might want to ask someone else to read and explain the chart to you. Oh shit, there we go, back to your "semantics" again.Get a life, and stop roid raging in the PL comments.
@cindyjbryant This is probably not the best forum for me to help you. If you can hit me up offline, I'll help you get connected to the PL user groups, etc, that will be able to help you navigate and get assistance with the framework :)
@dgosine I understand your perspective and frustration, but I think this move is reflective of a maturation in the industry, and isn't unique to Pagelines. There has been an existential realization in the industry at large that one-time fees aren't sustainable in the long term. It's a bit like social security - you need an exponentially increasing user base to help cover the long term operating/maintenance/support costs of this kind of a product. This is why almost all substantial software has a maintenance fee associated with it, and why you've seen so many WP plugins, etc, opt for a low initial but recurring fee as their model: it's the only thing that's really sustainable.If you're a loyal user, doesn't that mean that PL has been a valuable solution for you and your business thus far? Have you not made money hand and fist over what you invested in it? Without a viable business model, you just won't see the platform flourish over time.Also, yes, PL will make money, no different than I hope you guys do. Although I understand why you might disfavor the subscription model, the monthly costs seem pretty reasonable, especially if you're a prolific dev, and come with a bevy of services/support/options that, at least in my opinion, are well worth the cost.
@DezW check out http://www.pagelinesdevcamp.com - they have some free base themes/sections etc for you to download :)
@cindyjbryant Cindy, the other sections are coming. Some need to be updated to be compatible with DMS, and others have been obviated in one way or another. I can send you the customizer plugin, but you don't really need it anymore because of the way less and section files auto load.
If you'd like, send me a message on twitter (etc) and I'll show you how, and/or send you a base theme/section file that you can customize :)