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@Martin (Pagelines) @sfengler Framework is not Still very much supported. It was trashed when you launched DMS. Was ignored for weeks whilst you concentrated on your DMS issues, and even now doesn't have anything like the ease of install and operation it had previously. If you still support it, restore how it used to work.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Making Better Products
I'm still using framework, is DMS worth purchasing yet? It's all gone very quiet? Hopefully your not spending everybody's cash on offices and photocopiers. Most companies evolve away from offices not towards them.
3 months, 2 weeks ago on Making Better Products
@batmanmac It's great that Pagelines are encouraging knowledgable people like yourself to provide/supplement their support service. As a Framework users of many years, my experience is that the community is much quicker to respond with a solution than the official support route. Karma points are not new, but this is a great move forward. However, paying for reviews is not so good. Word will quickly spread that all positive reviews are paid for by Pagelines. This will undermine their value and so this is a step backwards. Paying a referral commission is also a good way of rewarding an unofficial sales team. Pity DMS is subscription based, I still feel no urge to move from Framework.
6 months, 1 week ago on <i class="icon-sun"></i> The Karma System
Paying people to do your support and marketing work isn't new. But at least Pagelines will give you something of value for your efforts. People need to decide if they are getting a fair return.
I am a store developer - I have a little more insight than the general PageLines user have.
Therefore I know the difference between v2 and DMS. Yes v2 is great, but DMS takes the experience to another level.
I know from your earlier comments that you do not like DMS. But why dont you leave it and let the rest of the userbase enjoy it and go to Headway (or whatever you are using) instead of trolling the comments?
I'm not trolling any comment. What have I said that is trolling? I don't recall any death threats? Just 'cos you don't like my comments doesn't make it trolling.
It was a serious comment. Why can you not wait for 1.2.x? Also, I don't know if I like DMS or not. It's not working yet is it? Framework isn't working either is it?
7 months, 1 week ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@AleksanderHansson Why is it you "work with these guys". 'Cos you have to wait for v1.2.x to do something you could already do in Framework 2.0?
Next few months ..... Getting all systems back to operational status .... We need Framework back now. You need to take that to the next level first - i.e. a working level! Does this mean that v0.9.6 will be a Framework 2.0 release?
@MundoCaco Actually it's a crucial time for all the people dependent on the products they purchased before DMS. It's not that crucial for Pagelines; they still have all our money from the previous frameworks so they are not going to go out of business for the sake of a month's delay on their launch. Unless they have spent it all. However, some independent contractors may lose income and long term client relationships, which is the really crucial point.
There is a new direction in IT every year, or so the marketers would like you to believe. I wouldn't fall for that hype if I was you. Look back through all these blog posts and try to find the advantages and new features that are not simply an expanded export and a new UI on old ideas. In reality there will be a lot of new code to lock down functionality and restrict usage under the new subscription model.
A real new direction for Pagelines would be to have secure library management, source code control and staging servers for their products. Then there wouldn't even have been such a massive catastrophe.
We all want to move on, we are just waiting for Pagelines so that we can get back to where we were. Hopefully, Pagelines will implement much better (industry standard) source code safeguards and controls to prevent such a massive inconvenience for their existing customers going forward.
The only people who will benefit from this episode is in fact Pagelines, who should come out of this much more aware of the type of business they are proposing to operate and how much more they need to invest in traditional application development approaches and processes. The system uptime and availability required for a subscription system is very high. Multiple redundancy needs to be in place. Do we really think Pagelines can step up to this higher level of operation? It's obviously not built in from the start, or we don't know the full story behind the issues.
DMS literally isn't going to work on subscription if Pagelines isn't able to keep their service running and get it back at the drop of a hat in case of a disaster. Think hard about this folks, it's painful enough now, but all this code that needs recovering is going to be primarily concerned with making sure you cannot access the new functionality without the subscription option - it's probably not code that gives added functionality and fundamentally it's code with Pagelines' benefit in mind.
This "big hack" was supposed to be on the front end system, not the safe and secure development or test systems? It feels like they don't even have a deployment package. Let's hope going forward they have something simple like a transportable backup and scripted configuration instructions.
7 months, 1 week ago on Coming back online…
@Brenden @flidget @Kyle_n_Irving
Cor, just spotted the update today in the static text above. It's really easy to miss it if you're active in the comments.
@Kyle_n_Irving @flidget Whoooo Hoooo! Kyle, you're a star! Thanks.
@Kyle_n_Irving @Brenden Hi Kyle, when I login to Pagelines I don't see any of my purchases. How do you get to this launchpad you mention. PS bash Lovefilm for me too please.
@Kyle_n_Irving @Brenden Hi Kyle, hope you nose is quickly returning to normal colour :-) One man's definition of broken is allowed to contain the fact you cannot currently make any enhancements to the exiting sites in terms of new or improved sections etc. I fully support this view which is a simple premise, you cannot do now what you could do when it was working - so it's broken. Also, there is no obvious action underway to get it working again or any explanation of how deleting static files as mentioned in the posts about the hack caused this problem in the first place. On the up side, as we all sit around waiting on Pagelines to fix their product we have plenty of time to bash away on this blog.
---snip from the support forum---
Rob, on 28 Jul 2013 - 4:11 PM, said:
Willem, the only thing I can say is it will be fixed when it is fixed. We have no timeline or estimated time of arrival. I apologize for the inconvenience to you and your clients. We all just have to wait and watch as our development team fixes one bit at a time.
@Kyle_n_Irving @flidget Thanks for the link Kyle. I see it's already posted in the forum. The forum is not working as it was before and I needed to reset my password as indicated at the top of the forum. I'm struggling to see how some of these issues were caused by the so called hacker, just by deleting static files. Anyway, regarding the plight of the Framework customer: The official Pagelines reply is not satisfactory (extract below). I feel like I'm a man on the titanic. Last in the queue for a lifeboat and probably going to freeze to death before the software is rescued.
Not looking good for people needing to use Framework. What's the timescale for getting our services back up and running?
Note to all the people excited about DMS - remember this will be you in 2 years time when DMS vanishes: locked out and no way to make changes.
Please prioritise restoring Framework, then sort out DMS. We have existing sites we need to maintain and I cannot add any new sections etc. to my existing sites until the Framework store functionality is restored. I'm not interested in DMS because of the subscription model, but I do expect to be able to continue using the Framework I have already purchased.
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Coming back online…
Ok. Another teaser, but this one has left me totally bewildered.
I'm still completely in the dark as to what advantages DMS will provide over and above the Pagelines Framework THEME. Why don't you stick up the demo for Pagelines Framework and then put next to it what you get before you configure anything?
My point being that we use Pagelines Framework, not themes (even though it is integrated into WordPress as a theme). So why are themes such a problem to us? What's restrictive about the Framework theme? We already have a framework completely un-themed until we configure it. I'm re-themed sites many time using Framework, it's not been a problem.
The only advantages that have so far been made really clear are; the subscription basis advantage for Pagelines; and how easy it's going to be for the merry band of 3rd party developers to build stuff to sell us - like themes?
For me, DMS is starting to feel like it's a Pagelines DMS for coding things for - well, Pagelines. This is opposed to a DMS for building websites. Just a feeling, there is no information to substantiate my feeling. It's more based on the absence of what is not being discussed. Things like - easier multi-browser support so everything also works in IE. Maybe something simple like a warning when you when you are doing stuff that will not work in all browsers. See a real development environment tool like Dreamweaver for ideas. Database integration made easy, with commit and transaction rollback. A sandbox for testing. Real application development issues, not just eye candy and screen layout designs. What about something innovative like a feature to identify which plug-in is screwing everything up?
Roll-on the next teaser. Still a bit sceptical.
7 months, 3 weeks ago on The problem with themes…
@CaseyGraffix Hi, I think the idea is that you get your ideas in right now, before the announcement. Otherwise, you will have missed the boat to exercise any influence. Don't assume these things are a fait accompli.
7 months, 4 weeks ago on Why DMS will be open source.
@redefiler @nphaskins @flidget LOL. I do use gmail for ensuring I don't get spam when signing up to things that look dodgy. But, Exchange is our business email engine with outlook clients mac/windows with webmail when we need it. Never needed google to front our accounts, exchange does all that for us using the DNS record set. Interestingly, we gladly subscribe to office 365 because it's cheaper than purchasing and hosting ourselves.
Maybe if we were new to IT and had grown up with gmail and no internal infrastructure we would be happier with 3rd party services and pay per use? Gmail still seems unprofessional, but I guess maybe I'm being conservative. It does worry me that my email service is subscription based and not in-house anymore, but we can easily move our email service and data if we have to do so. I've not invested hundreds of hours of Exchange specific development time.
@etc Blimey - who uses gmail?
8 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.