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@Martin (Pagelines) @sfengler Framework is not Still very much supported. It was trashed when you launched DMS. Was ignored for weeks whilst you concentrated on your DMS issues, and even now doesn't have anything like the ease of install and operation it had previously. If you still support it, restore how it used to work.
1 year ago on Making Better Products
I'm still using framework, is DMS worth purchasing yet? It's all gone very quiet? Hopefully your not spending everybody's cash on offices and photocopiers. Most companies evolve away from offices not towards them.
@batmanmac It's great that Pagelines are encouraging knowledgable people like yourself to provide/supplement their support service. As a Framework users of many years, my experience is that the community is much quicker to respond with a solution than the official support route. Karma points are not new, but this is a great move forward. However, paying for reviews is not so good. Word will quickly spread that all positive reviews are paid for by Pagelines. This will undermine their value and so this is a step backwards. Paying a referral commission is also a good way of rewarding an unofficial sales team. Pity DMS is subscription based, I still feel no urge to move from Framework.
1 year, 3 months ago on <i class="icon icon-sun"></i> The Karma System
Paying people to do your support and marketing work isn't new. But at least Pagelines will give you something of value for your efforts. People need to decide if they are getting a fair return.
I am a store developer - I have a little more insight than the general PageLines user have.
Therefore I know the difference between v2 and DMS. Yes v2 is great, but DMS takes the experience to another level.
I know from your earlier comments that you do not like DMS. But why dont you leave it and let the rest of the userbase enjoy it and go to Headway (or whatever you are using) instead of trolling the comments?
I'm not trolling any comment. What have I said that is trolling? I don't recall any death threats? Just 'cos you don't like my comments doesn't make it trolling.
It was a serious comment. Why can you not wait for 1.2.x? Also, I don't know if I like DMS or not. It's not working yet is it? Framework isn't working either is it?
1 year, 4 months ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@MundoCaco Actually it's a crucial time for all the people dependent on the products they purchased before DMS. It's not that crucial for Pagelines; they still have all our money from the previous frameworks so they are not going to go out of business for the sake of a month's delay on their launch. Unless they have spent it all. However, some independent contractors may lose income and long term client relationships, which is the really crucial point.
There is a new direction in IT every year, or so the marketers would like you to believe. I wouldn't fall for that hype if I was you. Look back through all these blog posts and try to find the advantages and new features that are not simply an expanded export and a new UI on old ideas. In reality there will be a lot of new code to lock down functionality and restrict usage under the new subscription model.
A real new direction for Pagelines would be to have secure library management, source code control and staging servers for their products. Then there wouldn't even have been such a massive catastrophe.
We all want to move on, we are just waiting for Pagelines so that we can get back to where we were. Hopefully, Pagelines will implement much better (industry standard) source code safeguards and controls to prevent such a massive inconvenience for their existing customers going forward.
The only people who will benefit from this episode is in fact Pagelines, who should come out of this much more aware of the type of business they are proposing to operate and how much more they need to invest in traditional application development approaches and processes. The system uptime and availability required for a subscription system is very high. Multiple redundancy needs to be in place. Do we really think Pagelines can step up to this higher level of operation? It's obviously not built in from the start, or we don't know the full story behind the issues.
DMS literally isn't going to work on subscription if Pagelines isn't able to keep their service running and get it back at the drop of a hat in case of a disaster. Think hard about this folks, it's painful enough now, but all this code that needs recovering is going to be primarily concerned with making sure you cannot access the new functionality without the subscription option - it's probably not code that gives added functionality and fundamentally it's code with Pagelines' benefit in mind.
This "big hack" was supposed to be on the front end system, not the safe and secure development or test systems? It feels like they don't even have a deployment package. Let's hope going forward they have something simple like a transportable backup and scripted configuration instructions.
1 year, 4 months ago on Coming back online…
@Brenden @flidget @Kyle_n_Irving
Cor, just spotted the update today in the static text above. It's really easy to miss it if you're active in the comments.
@Kyle_n_Irving @flidget Whoooo Hoooo! Kyle, you're a star! Thanks.
@Kyle_n_Irving @Brenden Hi Kyle, when I login to Pagelines I don't see any of my purchases. How do you get to this launchpad you mention. PS bash Lovefilm for me too please.
@Kyle_n_Irving @Brenden Hi Kyle, hope you nose is quickly returning to normal colour :-) One man's definition of broken is allowed to contain the fact you cannot currently make any enhancements to the exiting sites in terms of new or improved sections etc. I fully support this view which is a simple premise, you cannot do now what you could do when it was working - so it's broken. Also, there is no obvious action underway to get it working again or any explanation of how deleting static files as mentioned in the posts about the hack caused this problem in the first place. On the up side, as we all sit around waiting on Pagelines to fix their product we have plenty of time to bash away on this blog.
---snip from the support forum---
Rob, on 28 Jul 2013 - 4:11 PM, said:
Willem, the only thing I can say is it will be fixed when it is fixed. We have no timeline or estimated time of arrival. I apologize for the inconvenience to you and your clients. We all just have to wait and watch as our development team fixes one bit at a time.
@Kyle_n_Irving @flidget Thanks for the link Kyle. I see it's already posted in the forum. The forum is not working as it was before and I needed to reset my password as indicated at the top of the forum. I'm struggling to see how some of these issues were caused by the so called hacker, just by deleting static files. Anyway, regarding the plight of the Framework customer: The official Pagelines reply is not satisfactory (extract below). I feel like I'm a man on the titanic. Last in the queue for a lifeboat and probably going to freeze to death before the software is rescued.
Not looking good for people needing to use Framework. What's the timescale for getting our services back up and running?
Note to all the people excited about DMS - remember this will be you in 2 years time when DMS vanishes: locked out and no way to make changes.
Please prioritise restoring Framework, then sort out DMS. We have existing sites we need to maintain and I cannot add any new sections etc. to my existing sites until the Framework store functionality is restored. I'm not interested in DMS because of the subscription model, but I do expect to be able to continue using the Framework I have already purchased.
Ok. Another teaser, but this one has left me totally bewildered.
I'm still completely in the dark as to what advantages DMS will provide over and above the Pagelines Framework THEME. Why don't you stick up the demo for Pagelines Framework and then put next to it what you get before you configure anything?
My point being that we use Pagelines Framework, not themes (even though it is integrated into WordPress as a theme). So why are themes such a problem to us? What's restrictive about the Framework theme? We already have a framework completely un-themed until we configure it. I'm re-themed sites many time using Framework, it's not been a problem.
The only advantages that have so far been made really clear are; the subscription basis advantage for Pagelines; and how easy it's going to be for the merry band of 3rd party developers to build stuff to sell us - like themes?
For me, DMS is starting to feel like it's a Pagelines DMS for coding things for - well, Pagelines. This is opposed to a DMS for building websites. Just a feeling, there is no information to substantiate my feeling. It's more based on the absence of what is not being discussed. Things like - easier multi-browser support so everything also works in IE. Maybe something simple like a warning when you when you are doing stuff that will not work in all browsers. See a real development environment tool like Dreamweaver for ideas. Database integration made easy, with commit and transaction rollback. A sandbox for testing. Real application development issues, not just eye candy and screen layout designs. What about something innovative like a feature to identify which plug-in is screwing everything up?
Roll-on the next teaser. Still a bit sceptical.
1 year, 5 months ago on The problem with themes…
@CaseyGraffix Hi, I think the idea is that you get your ideas in right now, before the announcement. Otherwise, you will have missed the boat to exercise any influence. Don't assume these things are a fait accompli.
1 year, 5 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.
@redefiler @nphaskins @flidget LOL. I do use gmail for ensuring I don't get spam when signing up to things that look dodgy. But, Exchange is our business email engine with outlook clients mac/windows with webmail when we need it. Never needed google to front our accounts, exchange does all that for us using the DNS record set. Interestingly, we gladly subscribe to office 365 because it's cheaper than purchasing and hosting ourselves.
Maybe if we were new to IT and had grown up with gmail and no internal infrastructure we would be happier with 3rd party services and pay per use? Gmail still seems unprofessional, but I guess maybe I'm being conservative. It does worry me that my email service is subscription based and not in-house anymore, but we can easily move our email service and data if we have to do so. I've not invested hundreds of hours of Exchange specific development time.
@etc Blimey - who uses gmail?
@etc @flidget Indeed. I'm sure you are right.
@etc @flidget @nphaskins
Hi etc, it's not a notion. AR said yesterday that the "subscription" animation will not work in IE. I don't think anyone in web development will be surprised by that statement. Also, it's common practice that you develop for Firefox and fix for IE. In the rush of excitement the fix for IE invariably lags behind the development. That's ok with me, so long as the fix is provided - unfortunately there can be some resistance to acknowledging that it ABSOLUTELY does have to work in IE - period.
@nphaskins Let's hope it's easier to test and get things working in IE as well as Firefox, eh Nick ;-)
If the D does stand for Developer then we should have good version control, branching, backup and restore features. That will make the oops factor with 3rd party plug-ins easier to back-out. (I'm not pointing the finger personally at you Nick - you know I've bought loads of you stuff).
I would love to see Pagelines turn WordPress into a development environment. We could add .php, on-line transaction processing, commit/rollback, sessions. Data driven conditional branching. Cannot wait! Hope it's not just more eye candy stuff.
LOL, but will it make me subscribe :-)
@arpowers @flidget Agreed it's a much better model for a business, but at least 2 people just in this corner of the internet declined it outright. So - is it good business?
What is Pagelines offering here that we actually want? If I was being told it now does additional X that will make your sites more <sticky, higher ranking, faster, secure, etc.> and if you want us to keep it working with that dog of a browser everyone uses (IE), it will be $5 a month forever. I'll probably bite their hand off at the shoulder!
@Malcolm Finch @flidget
Great idea, Adobe should listen and act on a more flexible subscription mechanism - a significant piece of software development in itself, that they would struggle to provide: even using Framework and Jigoshop! :-)
@Malcolm Finch I had a really good experience with Microsoft and Outlook online - part of the Office365 subscription model. The opposite of Adobe. It will take us 52.5 years to pay as a subscription, what the cost of the s/w upgrade on our servers would have cost. It works fantastically well with high volume, reliable, $2 / month subscriptions with an extortionate full package price if you don't want to subscribe. Note: you still have the choice of subscribe or buy.
Like you, I looked at Adobe's pricing model and said "no thanks". The figures don't look good as you illustrate. Even though Adobe s/w works almost all the time - first time - supporting all platforms with no fall back needed, graceful or not. They also have a high s/w price, but still give you the choice (at least for the moment) of outright purchase.
Framework, has a reliance on a developer community for cool things, (who only code for Firefox), probably isn't high volume (based on comments from AR), and the historic cost of the s/w is low. There are some fundamental differences.
I don't think the people interested in commenting here or upgrading will only have only paid the original $50. Your not a charity, but I love your values - that's why I support your drive to survive. Truly though, if it doesn't support IE it's of no use. Only people who know what they are doing use Firefox.
Well, it's not teasing me yet. I've not yet seen a single benefit. If it's pay to use do we get credits when it's not working - what is the SLA? Nice to hear we can see the defects being listed easier - skip over the fact there shouldn't be any defects!
Pagelines moving to a type of SAAS approach seems like a great idea, so long as the pricing is less per <interval> than the last upgrade from Pagelines to Framework spread over 3 years (Malcolm's post appeared while I was writing this -lol). Anything else is not going to fly and it would be sad to see this go out of business. Interval payments are so much easier to cancel, so that ok.
Whist I'm ranting away in my ivory tower, I cannot resist taking a pop at <the collective> of developers. If it doesn't work in IE - it's useless, no matter how many standards you followed coding it. And also, we will not be paying again to have it not working in anything except Firefox for weeks on end just because you moved it over to DMS and didn't do any cross browser testing.
Seriously - you're not pulling my leg on this one? http://www.mywebtest2.co.uk/
1 year, 11 months ago on Trickle
Ok, Safari looks good now. Wow, what a superb feature! Potentially a different link for each image!! That's a navigational possibility of galactic proportions. You could run a competition using this section to click the special image message for a prize!
IE and Firefox not good. I'm seeing all images in all Slots at full native size 500x500px. Aka - the other nasty mentioned in my previous post. The previous v1.0.6 Slot A issue in these browsers is now replicated from Slot A to all Slots. The link hotspot is bound to the correct size for each slot, but the images are overflowing due to their size.
Oh Dur! Right, Right! Got it, you mean TICK the box and keep it ticked. (toggle can mean on then off in the Queen's English). All tickety-boo now. I've seen Slot A working perfectly with a super-fantastic link using Safari.
Don't get too excited, even in Safari, I now see a similar v1.0.5 problem that led to v1.0.6 - only Slot A works. I've added 3 images and links to all Slots now (and ticked the Toggles!)
All Slots B to G display down the page. I'll stick my neck out and suggest v1.0.6 didn't replicate everything needed to the other slots - just the ability to add a link? Given we now know that not having a ticked box causes images to display down the page that might be a useful clue, or not.
Just for info - v1.0.6 introduced another nasty, only when you add a link mind. The image re-sizing is buggered in Firefox and IE10 (yes! Firefox!), which I might have imagined was fixed in an earlier version for IE?
I can only produce this at the moment for Slot A in Firefox and IE10.
This resizing issue has added to my confusion as I always test using Satan's Spawn first. If that doesn't work, I take a look using the Gold Standard Firefox, then finally Safari. I don't always get to Safari - if Firefox doesn't work -which it doesn't in this case due to the resizing issue. Sorry, if I had seen it in Safari earlier this might not have dragged on so long.
I've setup a new domain, installed a fresh WordPress v3.5 into a blank directory and MySQL DB. Stripped out all but the very essential Pagelines sections. Removed all plug-ins.
Installed Tickle and only Tickle. - Looks good with your sample images blip, blip, blip - working fine.
Add 3 images into Slot A from the Gallery. Working fine.
But, "Toggle" links (whatever toggle means?) for Slot A.
Add the same link to each image in Slot A (http://www.mywebtest2.co.uk/#)....
It suddenly doesn't work.
Go see: http://www.mywebtest2.co.uk/ (IE10, Firefox and Safari).
Images just display down the page for Slot A.
Deleted Viewer, Porter, Trickle. Confirmed delete via FTP.
Viewer: Added "content" back into Blog Page template using Drag and Drop. WordPress Gallery displayed ok. FTPed v1.0.5 and Activated Viewer via WordPress Plugins - Viewer launched, but with issues... 1) Controls at bottom for Full screen etc. White on White. Full screen displayed, but an embedded video at the bottom of the post (Animoto) displayed on top of the full screen image. Otherwise looks to be working. (IE10)
Porter: FTPed v1.0.1 then Pagelines>Store>Sections>Activate. Pagelines>Drag&Drop> Removed "Content" from Blog Page Template, added Porter. Refresh Blog page. Porter displays ok. Click "Open Post". Not working. Viewer broken, WordPress Gallery broken. (IE10 and Safari).
Trickle: FTPed v1.0.6 then Pagelines>Store>Sections>Activate. Pagelines>Drag&Drop>Template 1>Page Template Trickle already back in the active sections. Reload page - all Trickle slots look to be working with default images. Pagelines>Page Options>Trickle - Select Sections Panel, Trickle Icon missing. Click blank Icon. Trickle displayed all slots empty. Set each Slot for 10 images, Activate all slots for links, Save options. Re-populate all slots with 10 images from Media Gallery and links (very boring). Save Options. Select Sections Panel, Trickle Icon now showing.Reload Page... Not working. All images display flowing down the page, links active, Only Slot A rotating at full size in IE10 and Slot a size in Safari. (IE10 and Safari)
In summary, right back where I started with Porter not showing either the Viewer or the WordPress gallery and Trickle not working either.
1 year, 11 months ago on Porter
Ok. I'll delete Porter (which is working fine) and Viewer. Then FTP and check all is gone. Then download the latest and FTP the files directly - Viewer first and then if working, Porter second. Should I do the same for Trickle whilst I'm at it?
Also, this is just a test site so ultimately I can blat the lot and start over with the latest, not upgrade version of everything. Happy to try anything. I so much want these things to work.
I can send you screenshots showing it's activated both in Pagelines and Wordpress. So, I'm thinking that's not so useful. How about I deactivate and delete Porter and try to just use viewer. Will Pagelines deactivate and delete remove all and any influence of Porter - or is it not so simple?
Sorry, let me re-phrase.
You don't mention that the use of Viewer is mutually exclusive with the Pinterest functionality. However, now you point it out I can understand why, given Viewer doesn't list it as a function. NP.
If you want to see the issue go here: http://www.mywebtest1.co.uk/ I can reproduce the error every time.
You don't mention that the use of Viewer removes the Pinterest functionality - or did I miss that in the list of features?
@nphaskinsYes, I do have viewer activated. Why would I not have activated it?
Hi Nick - what has been fixed? I don't see a new version above 1.0.6 and I have refreshed the store in Pagelines.
@nphaskins @GilFerreira Hi, I've tried removing all the Captions. I've de-selected all Slots for links. I've selected all Slots for links again. I'm out of options. :-(
Done. No change. What should I try next? Note that I've never seen Viewer work, I only purchased it for use with Porter - so I've never tested Viewer stand alone. Also, the Pinterest Icon is not showing so there is more than one issue.
Hi Nick, you will be sorry to hear I've purchased some more of your code. :-) Porter and Viewer don't seem to be getting along. Viewer isn't launching in a Porter post with a [gallery] tag (images are uploaded to that post) and there is no Pinterest icon showing. I've probably not set up my Pagelines drag and drop correctly for Porter, as there is no guidance documentation? I'm assuming Porter is in the driving seat, so posting here and not under Viewer. http://www.mywebtest1.co.uk/blog/
Thanks Nick, I've trimmed all the Framework sections now and the Page Options loads ok. I didn't realise that was a limiting factor and would never have worked that out!
However, I cannot see Trickle working in any of IE10, Netscape and now even in Safari. All the images load, complete with links, but they just stack down the page when loading and don't collapse into the grid to start rotating.
I've cleared cache in all browsers and saved Page Options with links enabled/disable/enabled in sequence to see if it was related to previous issues and not saved correctly in the DB. When links are not ticked/enabled for all slots Tickle still stacks the images down the page, but without the links and doesn't collapse into the grid.
Any assistance gratefully received.
Ooops, Upgraded, saw the new fields for the image links slots B-G, added links for 33% (Events in my case), saved and then on refresh the new version seems to have broken Pagelines>Page Options display. Also, image resize may not be fixed, but I cannot add any more links right now as the Page Options "Save" button is not displaying. So cannot confirm.
This would be a really good enhancement. It would allow us to use Projects site-wide and vary the content on different Pages. That would allow a common user experience as they site visitors use the Projects to drill down into topics.
Photography Services is a landing page and has 3 projects of Weddings, Portraits, Events. Each of these Projects has their own detail Page.
Each of these detail pages need Projects and image examples of their own e.g. Weddings has projects of Wedding Day, Engagement Shoot, Reception Studio, Trash the Dress etc.
This would be a really exciting addition.
1 year, 11 months ago on Projects
Hi Nick, In Pagelines>Page Options the field to input links is only showing for Slot A (Same behaviour in Firefox, IE10 and Safari).
I configured all Slots for a link (at the bottom of the slots in Pagelines), then added a link to all images in Slot A to give it a quick test on the site.
This broke the image resize for Slot A for Firefox and IE10 where all the linked images displayed at their original resolution (500x500px) in Slot A.
Safari displays the images and links perfectly. http://www.mywebtest1.co.uk/
The links themselves work great and I like the hover effect. Almost there!
Hmmm, maps. Currently you can only add a map via a real world postal address(?) and the place marker sits top left. Consequently, the average site visitor will not see the pin. The pin needs to be centre stage. Or, am I suffering operator error tonight?
Better, if possible, to paste in the customised iFrame code like:
<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213146974090339295605.0004d320a518b2cec9604&msa=0&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=52.079506,-1.219482&spn=2.363252,4.669189&z=7&output=embed"></iframe><br /><small>View <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213146974090339295605.0004d320a518b2cec9604&msa=0&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=52.079506,-1.219482&spn=2.363252,4.669189&z=7&source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">Areas</a> in a larger map</small>
This lets you leverage Google to display a customised map with your own uploaded (to Google) images, videos and polygons added.
1 year, 11 months ago on CrackBar
Thanks Nick, your a star. Seems like a good time to burden you with some ideas for Crackbar shortcodes. :-)
* It would be great to be able to display a personal Google Map - I have one with a Polygon defined showing area coverage. https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213146974090339295605.0004d320a518b2cec9604&msa=0
* Buttons are going to be really useful.
* Un-ordered lists would be my favourite, would I be able to float an image left or right of the list - vertical real estate could be maximise with this sort of feature?
* Being able to dump in some HTML with embedded CSS from Dreamweaver is an ultimate shortcode catch-all.