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@Demarcus Cousins @drewnusser @layituplikeaman So his numbers would balloon, but he wouldn't get off the bench? He's already shooting just a shade under 50% from deep, and if that balloons you'll be looking at 53-54%. You don't think the Spurs (a team that is known for finding tons of open 3s) would be able to use him? I like Patty a lot, but I'll take Jimmer over him any day - he's bigger, stronger, a better shooter, and better off the pick and roll. Patty is a little quicker, but that's about it.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Sacramento Kings at All-Star Break Q&A: trade deadline, call-ups and Jimmer Fredette
@layituplikeaman Yep - Keep him in and play him alongside IT for a few minutes here and there. I'd say anywhere from 18-22 minutes would be good for Jimmer. Still plenty of time to keep Thornton's value up and for B-Mac. Plus, B-Mac is plenty big to run a little SF if they want to give him a little more time.
@layituplikeaman Awesome article. I hope you're not getting me wrong - I said it before, I really like IT and think he's better than Jimmer at this point of their careers - the margin just isn't as big as some people believe.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on WATCH: Jimmer Fredette scores career-high 24 points in Madison Square Garden
@layituplikeaman Oh good, you had me worried. Larry would have been great in any generation.
@layituplikeaman Dude, don't be a herp-derp and compare Larry to Ryan Anderson. Go back and watch his highlights. There was a reason that he is such a legend. He was possibly the toughest and most confident player ever in the league, and more athletic than people give him credit for until his back started acting up. He was a better-shooting Kevin Love with ball-handling and passing skills.
@layituplikeaman Of course I'm taking Korver - Kobe can barely walk! :P
@layituplikeaman You absolutely can teach speed and jumping - not that Jimmer needs it. You say he's unathletic, but in the combine, his sprint and agility were faster than Lillard, CP3, D-Will, and numerous other "athletic" PGs. He was also one of the strongest guards, putting up 14 reps - only one less than D-Will, and more than these other stars. I've also seen him get up and throw it down with both hands, so his jumping is plenty good for a PG.
So to sum this up with actual measurements, he's faster and stronger than these guys, and his jumping is just fine for a PG. He gets a bad rep partially because of some questionable decisions while driving to the hoop, and also partially because of his appearance - similar to Redick. What 6'4" 2-guard who can throw down 360s and windmills isn't athletic enough? But that's oddly been the knock on him too. Similar to Jimmer - what player averages 29 ppg in college, then outperforms the others in the combine and team workouts, and still gets pegged as unathletic? I'm not saying it's blatant "he sucks because he's white" racism, but when someone measures better than others, outruns them on the court, and is still considered less athletic, then how else do you explain it?
And who didn't love watching IT at Washington? I know I did. I definitely thought he would be in the league, along with a lot of America. Nobody knew he would be this good though - because he really is good. I just don't see how he'll get much better.
@layituplikeaman Oh, so now you're a prophet? Jimmer's ceiling is WAY higher than IT's. I don't see Thomas getting much better than he is now. You can improve ball-handling and decision making, but you can't fix 5'9".
@layituplikeaman Those comparisons are great, but keep in mind that Jimmer is closer in size to D-Will than any of those guys. He's just an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter. Plus, he was much faster than him in the combine, and only had one less rep on the bench, so he's almost as strong too. So, athletically and size-wise, he's closer to the multiple-time all-star who is known for being a beast on the court than he is to House, Bibby, or Mo. Now add in that he shoots almost 50% from outside...
Also, I've never seen a guard in the league get double-teamed or pressed as much as him - whether that's because of his shooting ability or the fact that he turns it over more than he should doesn't really matter much - a good team would take advantage. Not sure if you noticed, but almost all of his scoring in that game was off of picks where his teammates helped him out of those situations - even on one of the transition shots. When they don't help, he struggles (like anybody would), when they do help, the whole team is a lot better. This is why I'd love to see him on my Spurs - adding a dead-eye like him to a team that is all about teamwork and helping each other out would be awesome.
@layituplikeaman Pay attention to where IT is at 5 or 8 minutes into each game. Many times he'll have 0 points, 1-2 assists and 1-2 TOs - and a lot of times, that's as much time as Jimmer gets in the entire game. If Isaiah got yanked after that much time every game, their stats would be really similar, because IT doesn't usually get going until the 3rd quarter or so. That gives him a good 20-25 minutes of feeling out the game before playing well. Really, look at IT's numbers 5 minutes into every game, and then you get a new perspective on whether or not Jimmer is getting a real shot. The fact that Fredette needs to be absolutely on fire to warrant more playing time is crazy, but that's where things stand.
Jimmer currently has the best 3PT% in the league, and the 3rd highest FG% among PGs. Is Isaiah better at this point in their careers? Yeah, he is. But is the difference so big that the current 37/11 min split makes sense? Not to me - especially when Jimmer is a fully capable 2 guard as well, and the other 2 guards on the team are just awful.
@benbackstreet @layituplikeaman I'm right with ya. He's been a good spark off the bench, and could play either guard position. 18-20 mpg seems about right until he proves he deserves more.
Per minute he's already one of the better scoring PGs in the league (I think he's at #15) and he's around there in PER too. But he definitely needs to work on his distributing. His defense needs to get better too, but it's much better than a lot of people give him credit for, especially considering how bad the rest of his team is.
And yeah, his potential could be as a great player, or simply a pretty good spark off the bench - it just all depends on his work ethic. We've seen how much he's already improved in his 2.5 years in the league, so I have no doubt he'll keep getting better. If he picks his drives better and learns to escape double teams better, he could be Nash-esque eventually.
@layituplikeaman Funny you bring up the Spurs, because they're making a smaller, not-as-good shooter look like a great backup in Patty Mills. And Jimmer would actually fill a huge void there since Neal left. I'm a Spurs fan, and I'd love to see him getting 20 mpg in San Antonio. Seriously - think of all the open 3s the Spurs get because of their offense, and now put a 50% shooter there, who shoots that 50% while creating all of his own shots. I could honestly see him going up to 53-54% with a good offense that actually creates open shots.
However, I do like Malone. Even though the Kings aren't winning a ton more than in the past, they honestly look a lot better. It's not a hodge-podge one-on-one offense anymore, which by itself is a huge step up from the last couple years. Without all the injuries, I could see them being 4-5 games closer to .500 right now.
I agree that he's probably playing Thornton just to keep some value there, which is fine. I am curious about why they are so high on McLemore though - his numbers are just as bad as Jimmer's rookie season (when people were saying he didn't even belong in the NBA), but Mac's been getting consistent minutes. Is it because he jumps higher?
@zeke22 @drewnusser @Jim Les for 3 @Em Gee @sosasura Absolutely - Smart was bad for everyone. It makes me wonder how much more IT could have exploded if Brooks wasn't there. Everyone got jerked around - I think Jimmer did more than most, but nobody could have enjoyed the crazy rotations in the last two seasons.
All I'm saying is that when given a consistent chance, Jimmer has proven that he can be a very solid pro, with the potential to explode in any game. He's more athletic than people give him credit for, and his defense and playmaking have really improved. Recently, the 2nd unit has even outplayed the 1st, and he's generally been the spark.
Also, his production as a starter didn't come all in blowout minutes - he was starting! Come on now.
7 months, 3 weeks ago on Sunday Musings: Jimmer Fredette finds a role and some perspective with the Sacramento Kings
@Jim Les for 3 @drewnusser @Em Gee @sosasura It's true that college isn't the pros, but still, basketball IS basketball. And while I'm sure Popovich has helped Kawhi a ton, he was already known as a really good defender in college. That's why after Jimmer torched the PG, and then the PG/SG double team, they stuck Kawhi on him to attempt to slow him down. It didn't work.
After (okay, even during) college we all heard about his athletic deficiencies, and then he went on to be one of the fastest and strongest guards in the combine (seriously, look up his times). But people still doubted. Then in his first game, he torched Curry and Ellis for 21 points on 7/11 shooting. Then, after a couple of weeks, he even got a chance to start for a few games because of an injury to MT, and he put up great numbers (16.5 ppg, over 60% from 3, in 30 mpg), but then got benched for no apparent reason, and immediately got labeled a bust. Tell me you wouldn't want to see that production from Thornton or McLemore.
2 years later, McLemore gets drafted higher, plays MUCH worse, but he's still 6th in line for ROY. Can you see why Jimmer fans are frustrated?
I'm not saying he'd average 30 ppg, but he's proven multiple times that when he can get some consistency, he can be a very solid pro. Unfortunately, up until this point in his career, it hasn't seemed to matter how well he's played - he's always right back on the bench. I'm just hoping that part of his career is over - what the Kings have going on right now seems to be on the up-and-up.
@Jim Les for 3 @Cowbb @Jim Les for 3 @JonathanLingo And McLemore's PER is 7.28, and his output is similar to Jimmer's from his rookie season, but he's getting 7-8 more mpg. Why isn't he being benched or called a bust?Because he jumps high? He's also shooting much worse across the board than Jimmer did, but he's 6th on the rookie ladder. It's this double-standard that bothers me.
He also hasn't been getting jerked around, playing 20 minutes out of position some nights, and then 3-4 straight DNPs. Some players need a little more time to develop - McLemore is getting this, but Jimmer didn't in his first two years.
Keep in mind, that when Jimmer started for 4 games in a row his rookie season, he was getting 16.5 ppg and shooting 60% from down town (just to be followed up by 2 DNPs). That's what happens when he has the chance to get into a rhythm. He's absolutely an elite shooter (and has been since he was drafted), and he's much better at creating for himself and teammates now. I'm just glad he's finally getting consistent minutes, for the first time since about 10 games into his rookie season.
@mjmill This, Kings. This.
@Jim Les for 3 @Em Gee @sosasura While you might be right, do we actually know that the exuberance is irrational? This is the kid that put up over 40 points on Kawhi Leonard's team twice in college, and now Leonard is known as one of the better defensive players in the league. He had absolutely nothing for Fredette when he tried to stop him. I think Fredette's struggles in Sacramento have to be chalked up to multiple things - not ONLY that he sucks or ONLY that his coaches have abused him, like a lot of people claim.
1) The coach that actually liked him was fired just a few games into his career.
2) He then got stuck with a coach who had a history with not knowing how to handle scoring guards (see Curry and Lin).
3) Jimmer tried to adjust his game to be more of a passer to impress his coach, and while he's solid at it, it's definitely not his best asset.
4) Up until this year, every player on the Kings had been really selfish, and unwilling to help when he was getting pressured 94 feet, and wouldn't even come to the ball when he was double-teamed.
5) Up until the last few weeks, the Kings have always more seasoned, and fully-capable guys he's been competing with (Brooks, Douglas, Vasquez).
It looks like he's finally been able to get into a groove, and he's been killing it. He's been the best player in the 2nd unit for the past couple weeks, and always seems to spark a run right when he comes in. Hopefully it's not just a fluke thing, because it's been fun to watch, and the Kings can definitely use his shooting.
Here's my question for people who are saying that Jimmer has had his chances - what have Thornton and McLemore done in their chances that Jimmer hasn't? Jimmer is averaging more points, assists, steals, and rebounds per minute than both of them. He's also shooting a much better percentage across the board. Why don't these guys need to prove themselves to get the minutes? Sure, Jimmer hasn't been amazing, but he's been much more effective and efficient than the guys who have been playing ahead of him (up until about a week ago).
Now that he's the backup PG, Malone is playing Thomas 40+ minutes per game even when the games aren't close. That's great - let's burn out the young PG in blowouts just to ensure he doesn't last more than 5-6 years in the league. I don't get it. Maybe Jimmer practices really poorly, because statistically, he's much better than his minutes reflect.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Cowbell Kingdom Podcast Extra: Jimmer Fredette's new opportunity and Sacramento Kings assistant Micah Nori on statistical context
The two have been playing similar ball, but it'll be a lot easier for the Kings to move Jimmer with his contract, so why not play the man you're paying over $8 million to? Personally, I like Jimmer more and think he's gonna have a better overall career (at PG), but right now they're playing a similar role and getting similar results, so I'd probably give Thornton the nod too. I just hope they trade Jimmer before all of his trade value rots away on the bench.
9 months ago on Marcus Thornton reclaims minutes from Jimmer Fredette in Sacramento Kings rotation
@Dima2k @silverdog It's nice too that all 3 of the top guys can play SF/PF, which is what the Kings are gonna need.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on With the Sacramento Kings struggling, Jimmer Fredette gets another shot
@Dima2k Morrison struggled for a few years, but then averaged 20 ppg in last year's summer league, which was more than anybody else. He also shot over 55% from the field and just under 62% from 3. Guess how many teams gave him a shot. None. He was clearly the best player in the building every time he laced up that summer, and nobody would even give him a 10-day contract. Why? Can he not bring as much to a team as a James Jones or Jared Dudley? I could probably name 50-60 NBA players that Morrison would embarrass, and another 100 or so that he is just as good as.
Anyway, I digress. Sadly, I'm seeing the same things happening with Jimmer. He got into the preseason, being told that he was gonna get a fresh start, and easily outplayed any other guard at either position, just to find himself out of the rotation. Hopefully he'll actually get some minutes now though.
@Dima2k @drewnusser True, but we all know Thornton is better than what he's been showing. But for the role he's in, Jimmer would be better, and a ton cheaper. And yeah, Ben has been looking awesome. I'm just not sure they're gonna allow Thornton to suck out there.
I'm not necessarily saying that Jimmer is a better all-around player than Thornton, but with their roles, I think the Kings would be better with him out there. Think about it - all they're asking Thornton to do is catch and shoot. He's not asked to play defense, or create for others, or even create for himself. Is he really a better open shooter than Jimmer? Not a chance. The Kings should save themselves $5 million/year and put a more capable outside shooter in there, and they don't even need to look far - he's been sitting at the end of the bench all year. Hopefully he'll get his chance now.
@Johnswilson1 @drewnusser The ASUS T100 is a full Windows 8.1 tablet (not that RT garbage) that comes with office and a keyboard dock, all for $349 ($399 for 64GB). People can say what they want about how fun iPads are, but for productivity, it has absolutely nothing on Windows, especially when Office comes bundled with it. Also, since it's Windows, everybody already knows how to use it, and having that dock attached to it protects the touchscreen, which makes it much more safe to carry in a backpack, as well as teaching the kids to type.
As for the warranty, you can get a 2-year comprehensive warranty for $79, or 3-year for $119. That means $0 for replacement parts, no matter what caused the issue. Also free service & free 2-way shipping. Honestly, value-wise, the iPads aren't even close. Anybody looking at this without bias would agree.
10 months, 1 week ago on Uh oh, Los Angeles School District’s $30 million iPad program falls flat
@sohrob @drewnusser That's a silly opinion.
@Johnswilson1 @drewnusser Full sized laptop with a real keyboard, 6.5 hours of battery life, and can read any eBook or PDF you could throw at it. All of that from $199-$299. Come on now. How could you justify spending 3 times more? The touchscreen? If that's the case, then how about the new ASUS T100? Then you'd have a very capable tablet, with even better battery life, that comes with office preinstalled, and a keyboard that turns it into a laptop, all for $349. Plus, it would run full Windows, which has millions of programs that could run any eBook you could possibly want (WAY more than an iPad).
How could any school district choose iPads over something like the Nexus 7 or Chromebooks? They're 3 times more expensive, and they won't do anything more for kids - at all. Plus, with Apple involved in the eTextbook price fixing, it's a wonder that any school district is friendly toward them at all. I just don't get it.
@kwlarson @leyvaflava True, but if he was given a shot and actually did well, what's to say that he doesn't choose to re-sign anyway?
12 months ago on Poll: Will the Sacramento Kings pick up the fourth year on Jimmer Fredette's contract?