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@smrstrauss Wait a minute you said earlier that nbC meant the same as nbS which requires birth in the country. Now you say it means citizen at birth. Which one is it?
5 months, 1 week ago on “Birtherism” and the Tyranny of Ignorance
@smrstrauss So according to you the definition of nbC is not universal but varies by country and also a child born outside the US to two citizen parents is not eligible but a child born in the US to two transient or illegal aliens is eligible.
@realitycheck1776 @DrConspiracy @smrstrauss Of course it's simplistic. It's a stupid blog not a college lecture.
@smrstrauss So you're saying nbC means citizen at birth under any circumstances? You don't have to be born in the country. That means nbC is not the same as common law nbS.
@DrConspiracy @smrstrauss It's still only personal opinion. Einstein didn't believe in quantum mechanics. Even the smartest people can be wrong.
@DrConspiracy @chillydogg1 @AlCum @R C Jackman How do you know? Look it up on Google dumbass.
@smrstrauss So you're saying the definition of nbC is not universal and varies by country? It that case your assertion that nbC had to mean the same in America as nbS meant in England falls by the wayside. Alcum states "Natural born citizen means what it ALWAYS has meant,..." Are you right or is he? Also Tucker and Rawle are expressing their personal opinions and are no more authoritative than you or I.
@AlCum @R C Jackman And how do you support that definition when there are 170+ countries, including England, that do not give citizenship to children born on their soil to non resident aliens?
@AlCum LOL, you're funny! Wait I meant to say you're a joke! The idea that the Framers used "natural born citizen" when they could have just used "born a citizen", which was the first draft btw, is so insane it's laughable.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on “Birtherism” and the Tyranny of Ignorance
@AlCum You know what your fucking delusional. I hope they let you out of the institution soon
@AlCum She's an ambassador? She's not a diplomat you moron she's an aristocrat.
@AlCum It's really your contention that the Framers had "born a citizen" on the first draft, changed it to "natural born citizen" and intended for that to mean "born a citizen". You sir are insane.
@AlCum @chillydogg1 No. It said children of foreigners might be citizens. It's right there in black and white. Your interpretation is just flat out incorrect. If you think this :
"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
does not say that a nbC is someone born in a country to citizen parents you are beyond all reason and logic.
@GregoryConterio @AlCum You do realize that under your definition Kate Middleton could have her baby here and we could have a President who was the King of England, right? Do you really think that's what the Framers had in mind? It's exactly to guard against such a possibility that they only made eligible people who were wholly, solely and only American.
@HistorianDude Not to mention Jay's letter clearly states the intention of the change was to keep foreign influence out the the presidency.
@HistorianDude That's ridiculous. If you have the phrase "born citizen" and you put the word "natural" in front of it of course the meaning changes. That's basic grammar. So assuming nbC means baC what then is the definition of "natural" in natural born citizen?
@HistorianDude @smrstrauss1 @AlCum They were wrong. At one time millions of people KNEW the Universe revolved around the Earth. And then there was Galileo.
@GregoryConterio @chillydogg1 @AlCum Seriously? Natural born citizen means born in a country to citizen parents. None of them fit that profile and are therefore ineligible. Just look at it grammatically. If natural born citizen means born a citizen then the word natural is completely meaningless. I've already shown you that the Framers changed the wording from baC to nbC. So, assuming nbC equals baC, tell me the definition of the word "natural" in natural born citizen?
@HistorianDude @GregoryConterio @TellTheTruth1 Why would they have to say "be considered as" if they originally intended everyone born a citizen to be a natural born citizen? What is that person missing? They are missing birth in the country. So this clearly shows that birth in the country is a requirement to be a natural born citizen.
@GregoryConterio @AlCum No where in the code do the words "natural born" appear. You are trying to make natural born citizen mean born a citizen. It doesn't. This is easily proven.
The first draft of the eligibility requirement read as follows:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
John Jay then wrote this to George Washington:
""Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "
The final eligibility wording is of course;
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."