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That's all dicta, not precedent. This is the precedent that has been used ever since to make those born in the country citizens, " ...becomes at the time of his birth a citizen
of the United States.". It's right there in black and white that they DON'T call him "natural born". Show one instance in the opinion were the court writes "Wong Kim Ark is a natural born citizen of the United States of America."
2 weeks, 6 days ago on “Birtherism” and the Tyranny of Ignorance
Liar. The court NEVER called Wong a natural born citizen. Here's the decision;
"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of
this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the
parties were to present for determination the single question stated at
the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the
United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his
birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent
domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on
business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity
under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen
of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of
opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."
Do you see the words "natural born" in there anywhere? In fact they specifically call him just a "citizen" even though the lower court had called him a "natural born citizen". The Wong case supports the birthers not the Obots.
@smrstrauss Wait a minute you said earlier that nbC meant the same as nbS which requires birth in the country. Now you say it means citizen at birth. Which one is it?
8 months, 1 week ago on “Birtherism” and the Tyranny of Ignorance
@smrstrauss So according to you the definition of nbC is not universal but varies by country and also a child born outside the US to two citizen parents is not eligible but a child born in the US to two transient or illegal aliens is eligible.
@realitycheck1776 @DrConspiracy @smrstrauss Of course it's simplistic. It's a stupid blog not a college lecture.
@smrstrauss So you're saying nbC means citizen at birth under any circumstances? You don't have to be born in the country. That means nbC is not the same as common law nbS.
@DrConspiracy @smrstrauss It's still only personal opinion. Einstein didn't believe in quantum mechanics. Even the smartest people can be wrong.
@DrConspiracy @chillydogg1 @AlCum @R C Jackman How do you know? Look it up on Google dumbass.
@smrstrauss So you're saying the definition of nbC is not universal and varies by country? It that case your assertion that nbC had to mean the same in America as nbS meant in England falls by the wayside. Alcum states "Natural born citizen means what it ALWAYS has meant,..." Are you right or is he? Also Tucker and Rawle are expressing their personal opinions and are no more authoritative than you or I.
@AlCum @R C Jackman And how do you support that definition when there are 170+ countries, including England, that do not give citizenship to children born on their soil to non resident aliens?
@AlCum LOL, you're funny! Wait I meant to say you're a joke! The idea that the Framers used "natural born citizen" when they could have just used "born a citizen", which was the first draft btw, is so insane it's laughable.
9 months, 2 weeks ago on “Birtherism” and the Tyranny of Ignorance
@AlCum You know what your fucking delusional. I hope they let you out of the institution soon
@AlCum She's an ambassador? She's not a diplomat you moron she's an aristocrat.
@AlCum It's really your contention that the Framers had "born a citizen" on the first draft, changed it to "natural born citizen" and intended for that to mean "born a citizen". You sir are insane.
@AlCum @chillydogg1 No. It said children of foreigners might be citizens. It's right there in black and white. Your interpretation is just flat out incorrect. If you think this :
"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
does not say that a nbC is someone born in a country to citizen parents you are beyond all reason and logic.
@GregoryConterio @AlCum You do realize that under your definition Kate Middleton could have her baby here and we could have a President who was the King of England, right? Do you really think that's what the Framers had in mind? It's exactly to guard against such a possibility that they only made eligible people who were wholly, solely and only American.
@HistorianDude Not to mention Jay's letter clearly states the intention of the change was to keep foreign influence out the the presidency.
@HistorianDude That's ridiculous. If you have the phrase "born citizen" and you put the word "natural" in front of it of course the meaning changes. That's basic grammar. So assuming nbC means baC what then is the definition of "natural" in natural born citizen?
@HistorianDude @smrstrauss1 @AlCum They were wrong. At one time millions of people KNEW the Universe revolved around the Earth. And then there was Galileo.
@GregoryConterio @chillydogg1 @AlCum Seriously? Natural born citizen means born in a country to citizen parents. None of them fit that profile and are therefore ineligible. Just look at it grammatically. If natural born citizen means born a citizen then the word natural is completely meaningless. I've already shown you that the Framers changed the wording from baC to nbC. So, assuming nbC equals baC, tell me the definition of the word "natural" in natural born citizen?