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@BlueLightSpecial I'd still trade him for Reggie Evans and eat the salary difference.
1 year, 7 months ago on With a Westbrook spark, OKC hangs on over Utah, 106-94
@TaoMaas Really? The grand strategy to deal with the best center in the league is to put him on the foul line and let them set their defense against the Thunder's cringeworthy halfcourt sets?
1 year, 11 months ago on Thoughts KD on the Howard deal? ‘I really don’t care’
@doofUSA Yes. More Collison, More Harden, less of everything else you just mentioned.
@TaoMaas @MrRaysian Don't forgot a halfway decent coach. Nice to see somebody else thinks Iggy to the Nuggets is something to be worried about. How the hell did Orlando agree to this steaming pile and still get left holding that terrible Turkeyglue contract.
Nice. It's also fun to see media not out to hit guys with a "gotcha" question and to be excited about a game and talking to players. Not saying hard questions are a bad thing but jesus christ there is a reason why players always answer with variations of "We take it one game at a time" and "We work every day to get better."
1 year, 11 months ago on Saturday Morning Cartoons: TrickBeard
@Old Man Game The original poster was saying how it was good that the pressure was off the Thunder because the Lakers got better.
That's ridiculous on it's face. The Thunder went to the NBA Finals. They may not be able to keep this group together much longer outside of KD and Westbrook. There is plenty of pressure on this team to win. Any team that says "We'll just keeping playing Thunder/Pacer/Whatever basketball" is basically saying "Because we got to the NBA Finals we'll just keep doing what we did." Is in my mind a recipe for disaster. Just being faster and more athletic and slashing to the basket does not work so well when there is a credible defender in the middle.
@mb22 I guess being realistic is now being 'Negative Nancy'. What exactly is "Thunder Basketball?" A near complete inability to score in the post, running the same bad halfcourt set that inevitably break down and ends up with a contested bailout shot from K.D. or Westbrook that somehow manage to go in more than they should which makes everybody look like a genius.
Am I the only person that remembers Hack-A-Splitter in game 2 against the Spurs? If anything the pure raw talent of this team is being wasted. It pains me to watch it every time they come down the floor with the ball. Russel gets blamed when things break down and he has to make something happen. It's all on him to do everything and make everything happen. Sometimes it feels like the guy that only bothers to set a proper screen is Collison. I could go one and on and on but that would make me even more negative.
@SeanzieCrews Just like the Pacers, when all that pressure was on Miami. Playing Pacers basketball........and loosing.
It's amusing to watch all the people that flamed me for questioning the Thunder's offseason moves and daring to question the draft pick suddenly scared of Dwight Howard and the Lakers. Welcome to the big leagues, where the best teams can make mistake after mistake, but then pick up A+ free agents and the Thunder have to fight for scraps and struggle to keep their own players who other teams are already courting. The Thunder can not afford to have an "okay" offseason and overpay a mediocre coach, they will start falling behind.
To face facts, last year was probably the Thunder's best chance of winning a Title. Harden or Ibaka will leave unless Durant and Westbrook agree to take less going forward. The Heat were not as good as they could of been last year because of a lackluster supporting cast. The Lakers will take some time to gel, but in the end will be a major obstacle, perhaps even better than the Thunder. The Heat are a better team than the Thunder. and got better with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.
1)The team that beat the Thunder got much better.
2)A major competitor got as good as or better.
3)The Thunder signed Hasheem Thabeet and overpaid a coach.
@bmuelle21 You have no idea man. You have no idea.
2 years ago on Thunder sign undrafted rookie Hollis Thompson
@Lost Ones Right. Which I guess means I have to be positive about this pickup. Since now we are firmly in bizarro world.
WTF is this? I can't watch a new sign's video without some terrible rap music in the background!
@FF_pickups Have to throw you a like because I agree. The only hope is that this roster gets so much better organically that they can compete. Which is going to be hard because the more they do that the more likely it is guys will leave in Free Agency.
@koolcrud Yeah, thanks for the info.
2 years ago on Summer School: Game 3 grades
@Lost Ones @Crow Wow. Thanks for that link Lost. Really interesting reading. Can the Thunder get this guy on their medical staff? Please? I'd promise to stop posting about Perry Jones' knees if this guy gave him a clean bill of health.
2 years ago on NBA Scout: Perry Jones’ knees will only hold up ’3-4 years’
@JimboSlice Wasn't it the Thunder Doctors as Tequila pointed out that passed on Dejuan and then fumbled things with the Green for Perkins trade?
@thunderatom It's possible. But it relies on Presti and the Thunder Medical Staff being just smarter than other teams who had major medical concerns as well as his play on the court. Is it possible that Presti and them saw exactly what you are talking about and are making the pick for that reason? It's very possible.
But there is no reason to celebrate this pick now. It's just a shot in the dark and not Presti pulling one over on everybody as has been suggested several times. That's just my opinion and perhaps it means I got fooled just like everybody else in the NBA at those picks. The reason I am so critical is I've said the Thunder cannot afford to miss in the Draft.
They have extremely limited opportunities to get better. They can't get Ray Allen or Dwight Howard. Each and every pick and piece must work and even more than that the egos and the numbers have to work out.
@ou_sas But I am betting Fab Melo's knees don't creak when he gets up to go get a beer.
@BrianConnell The problem is for a team like OKC the margin for error is very, very, very small. OKC cannot make bad contracts, or take the wrong pick. Their possibilities for luring most big ticket free agents are almost nill. How much luxury tax can they really afford to pay? OKC is actually on a ledge when it comes to getting to the top because they cannot afford many if any major mistakes. Everything must conspire for this team to stay together.
@ou_sas I had forgotten about that. Oh man.
@thunderatom It was more people lauding the pick and ignoring the possibility that it might be a bad pick, or even a pick made for the wrong reasons. The fear that they are going to miss out on another good player by being too timid when it comes to an injury history. Is it possible that Presti was right and the other GM's of the teams that picked before him were wrong? It's possible.
But it's just as if not more possible that those teams who also have smart people and good doctors saw something that scared them off to not justify the risk. I'm already on the record for not liking Perry Jones' game or his tendency to disappear in games. This is just one more thing that makes me question this pick.
Again. People who were lauding this pick as a steal and Presti hoodwinked everybody and made them look like fools need to step back for a second and wonder if perhaps this risk is taken not because it is the right one but because of DeJuan Blair and the regret over missing that boat. This was not some superb value pick of a top five talent this was a major risk taken just like any other pick in that range.
If Presti drafted some guy from your local YMCA league who has a bad knee and a receding hairline in the first round people would be talking about how it was a great pick and he's just smarter than everybody. Presti can do no wrong in the eyes of the media and fans now, but I'm pretty sure he is still human and not a cyborg and is capable of making mistakes, and plenty of them. So let's just wait because this guy's knees could very well explode in the coming years. Then the Thunder will trade him to the Suns.
@akennedy41 Yeah I mean, just look at Greg Oden.
@justin_mia @ou_sas @JimboSlice @Lost Ones The only thing I would say is that fame and money poison relationships all the time. Can the Thunder overcome this? They have a better chance than most teams. But counting on it happening is something only a fan can do. In reality the team's management needs to be prepared to make hard and unpopular choices. There have been plenty of times where a coach the players liked was not the coach needed to become better players on the court.
It's an even more unpopular viewpoint here, but the team that beat the Thunder handily got better, and a major competitor got better and stands to get downright scary if they acquire Howard. What would I of done differently? Let Brooks walk if he wants that money first and foremost. He has to set the example for what follows below.
Have a sit down with KD and Russ together and say "We're going to be asking for a sacrifice from Harden and Ibaka if we resign them. We'd like to restructure your contracts with the express purpose of using that money to resign these guys." It can't be just Ibaka and Harden taking less money to stay on the team, that is a recipe for them just saying "screw it" and taking the most money available. The sacrifice has to be shared, and the stars have to lead the way if this is going to work. I'm not talking about a huge amount, even shaking loose a little from those guys makes it clear to the other guys that "They've got my back and appreciate what I do." KD and Russ got the respect factor already with Max deals. It's time to give some back and literally put your money where your mouth is when it comes to the talk of how the team matters, etc.
2 years ago on Saturday Morning Cartoons: The Hasheem Thabeet mix
@Lost Ones @BigTink Because as we know, getting the player with the second highest assist totals in the league on a terrible team with no offensive options onto a much better team with veteran scoring options and size down low will have a minimal impact.
@ou_sas @JimboSlice @justin_mia @Lost Ones You are expecting young, confident players who will have all sorts of people whispering in their ears about how they are better, how they are held back on the Thunder by KD and Westbrook and how they could be the star, make more here or there are going to be like. "But Russ didn't take the Rose-rule bump!"
No, they are going to see Max money going to two other guys and a nice contract for Brooks and go. "To hell with this. I'm going to get my money." Plus, it's a smart decision. One wrong fall on a slipper floor can end your career. Asking a player to willingly risk that while taking less than their maximum possible salary to play on a team where they will never be the star even if perhaps their talents are enough to be the first or second player on a bad team is asking a lot of sacrifice from your mid tier players which is pretty unlikely for them to go along with.
@JimboSlice @justin_mia @Lost Ones I expected the tough but reasonable decision to let him walk to Portland if he wanted to. There is plenty of coaching talent on the market right now. It sets up a situation where Brooks, KD, Westbrook all got "their money" so when it comes time for other guys and Management says the money isn't there to give them what they deserve it's an even more difficult pill to swallow.
Brooks does not impact the actual Cap, but he makes the Thunder's bargaining position worse overall because it also lets agents know that if they push the Thunder they will fold when the time comes even if their player is not an outstanding member of the time. Just have more tweets with James Harden going out to lunch with stars on other teams.
@justin_mia @Lost Ones Not fold like a wet paper towel the moment Scott Brooks glances in the direction of Portland?
Guys. The Heat get Ray Allen, the Lakers get Nash...but don't worry guys...Thunder resigned Scott Brooks for an exorbitant amount and got Hasheem Thabeet.
All is well.
@justin_mia @Koka_Da_Bauce @FREE_COLE Thunder seem to love picking up big men who can't hold position except for Perk. The problem is that is the one thing he does halfway decently.
2 years ago on Finally, time for Cole Aldrich
@MisterJohnsonOKC @Daniel OBoymuzik @diddoff Don't worry. We got Hasheem Thabeet.
@MisterJohnsonOKC @ou_sas I am just waiting for us to start calling bonehead mistakes on the court "Thabeets."
@MisterJohnsonOKC Lazar accidentally get's Serge's AARP Membership mail.
@ElMexiThunder Dude. Come on man. You're taking what I am saying way too seriously. It's true that he is going to be riding the pine (until Perk gets hurt), and may not have that much effect on the season. Nothing gets GM's and Teams in trouble like potential. It's low risk which is true, which is why I am not screaming bloody murder at the move and instead joking around about it.
...Unless...Thabeet and our new draft pick start hanging out.......
@MisterJohnsonOKC That is true. Until Perk gets hurt again and then he has to sub in for decent minutes in an important game and then you are just waiting for Thabeet to pull a JaVale McGee sometime during the game.
No risk. Just be honest with yourself. It feels like a Bobcats move. I can just see Jordan going. "Look at all these measurables! We have to get him! Who cares if he has no idea how to play basketball, look at how tall he is and how high he can jump!"
@ElMexiThunder @diddoff Nothing gets a GM fired like potential.
I get that. Just say it outloud to yourself. "We're getting Hasheem Thabeet!" And try to do it with excitement. Just try it.
It just feels like a move you would read that the Bobcats did and you'd roll your eyes and go "Bobcats gotta Bobcat."
Hasheem Thabeet...Cole Aldrich....
Oh god. What is going on here? This does not feel like I am a fan of a AAA franchise that went to the Finals last year. It feels like I am a Bobcats fan going. "Okay, we picked up Hasheem Thabeet. There's hope now, right? He's pretty good, right?"
@SammyThunderer I'm also looking forward to AAAAYYYYRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
2 years ago on How does Perry Jones III impact the Thunder?
@Old Man Game CAN THE THUNDER HOPE TO MATCH THE HORNETS? WILL KD EVER WIN ANYTHING OR IS HE THE WORST PLAYER EVER? NEXT ON FIRST TAKE!
@SammyThunderer Thank you for distilling the essence of what I was trying to say in my long rambling post down below.
Did anybody else see the link to the "DID HORNETS WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP ON DRAFT NIGHT?" link under the ESPN videos. Out of morbid curiosity I had to watch it because I thought for sure it was going to be Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith and what do you know.....it is.
They never disappoint with the quality discussion topics, do they?
@bmuelle21 Really? I didn't know anything was around.
@cemitten Throw your thoughts out there anyways. It's a discussion not a ranking of "I KNOW THE MOST SO YOU MUST SHUT UP" become the worst places on the internet.
@MisterJohnsonOKC @thunderatom Big 12 Chip game sounds a lot tastier than the Big 12 Championship I gotta admit. Is that a big 12 branded bag that has only 12 huge chips in it...Maybe good for nachos or something.
On a more serious note I get what you are saying. I have only the memories of that game and have not re watched it recently..or at all since I watched it live. I don't remember that happening too often, if at all. I do remember him getting abused under the basket in the offensive and defensive end and doing a poor job of rebounding.
@EatSleepThunder Don't forget energy, and intensity. Out of this timeout we're going to be running the Heart, Energy, Intensity play. ONE TWO THREE LET'S GO!
@thunderatom I'd be really interested to hear what you have to think about the second half, Thunderatom. Perhaps we just see things differently, but the second half of that game is a good counter point. Also when people talk about him not getting the ball there is a chicken and the egg problem. Is he not a consistent scorer because his teammates are bad at getting him the ball, or is it because he has proven time and time again to be a poor low post scoring option even when he gets into proper position and calls for a pass?
If Perk does that and calls for the ball he gets in the first and second quarter because everybody wants him to stay engaged in the game even if it is basically a wasted possession. But Perk is NOT getting that ball in the low post in the fourth quarter even if he has excellent position and is SCREAMING for the ball.
@thunderatom That's actually the first counter point that makes me feel better, Thunderatom,
@thunderatom Come on now, that is not fair. SB, I saw different things than you did that is all. Accusing me of just going along with a media narrative is unfair. I saw a guy who got moved around in the post like he was a parcel at UPS. I saw a guy who constantly was giving up rebounds AFTER boxing out. If he could learn to at least hold his own in the post and then be competitive for rebounds then we start talking.
@Lost Ones That is because I disagree with that last part of your statement there. I don't think he was ever Top 5 prospect. I watched games where he practically gave up on his teammates. Being unpolished and glaring holes in your game is something that can be worked on. But that alarms and still alarms me a great deal and makes me think he won't even see the rotation.
Can you seriously see Brooks putting in a guy who does not always give it his all?
@SB718 Agreed. I think people are just blowing this out of proportion. I have my doubts that he will ever see the rotation. His lack of consistent effort is the single most worrying thing to me. If he had been on UConn last year it would of been easy to write off a terrible team chemistry. But Baylor wasn't exactly falling apart and he was packing it on on his teammates. That worries me most of all.
@thunderatom @SB718 @Legendary_dork Yes, yes, this a THOUSAND times yes.
And you know how quickly those FT attempts can evaporate in the game with the right set of referees, right? I'm not going to name names, but we saw it all over the playoffs.
@SB718 I get that. I was just saying if he were slotted in now like some people seem to think he would destroyed. It was more pointing out he was a MASSIVE project. Instead of everybody assuming Presti did some magic and fooled the rest of the NBA, it might be better to think about what the rest of the NBA was thinking about Perry Jones.
@Legendary_dork Maybe. I'm worried about Perk and perhaps loosing Serge. This team does not need more jumpers. It needs somebody mean and nasty in the post who can force interior movement. Nobody respects the post moves of any of the big men on the Thunder roster. Until then the only open shots we seem to get are the bad ones other teams want us to take, long two pointers and contested 3's that go in.
Am I the only person who looks at this and feels incredibly nervous? Another "big" guy that can't box out, can't rebound and is very limited in the post but likes to go out on the perimeter and take bad long 2 jumpers (Something this team does an amazing amount of already) and isn't confident finishing with even one go-to post move.
My fear is we'll see him get into good position in the post later on in the game after he has been denied a few times. Loose confidence in his poor post moves after wasting some time where he will kick the ball out to Russel Westbrook for a terrible contested jumper. He disappears during the game.
If this guy was a Euro and not from Baylor he would of fallen all the way deep into the second round with the rest of the Euro "big" men. This feels like the second coming of a thinner, more athletic Nenad Kristic at the 4 instead of the 5 who hates playing is own position and will take every opportunity to do things on the perimeter who isn't tough enough to throw a chair at somebody.
It's not like I am saying there were really great picks that should of been taken at that level. But the way people are praising this pick like somehow Presti hoodwinked everybody and grabbed top 5 talent at this pick need to relax. This is a MASSIVE project with some upside but there is every possibility he just can't cut it in the NBA. If you are expecting the player we see now to contribute in an meaningful way you need to remove the Presti Glasses that make every move he does incredible and look at the actual player.