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@martinspribble @mspeir @blamer that's a nice fairy tale
2 years, 10 months ago on Could A God Prove Its Existence?
@blamer the oldest surviving texts we have for the new testament were written within 25 years of the originals. the originals were written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses.
@mspeir yes it is. your move.
@mspeir the bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses the new testament is verified accurate both by internal and external sources and shown to be accurately recorded by over 6000 manuscripts or portions there of in the original language alone. don't take "determined to believe" personally it is normal for a person to be determined to believe what they have decided is accurate. As it happens, i didn't believe for a long time, and now i know that I was being lied to by a lot of people who didn't know the truth but claimed to.
@mspeir no problem with the potential - this, by definition, allows the possibility that the actual exists. no great leap there. If it is possible that such a person could exist, then it is possible that such a person does exist. If it s possible that someone could demonstrate the abilities that God is reported to have demonstrated, then it is also possible that someone actually has, and that they did, which is why we have historical evidence that they did. Actually, i agree that it is not possible for a person to prove they are God by doing magic tricks. I talk about the God of the bible because we actually have historical evidence that he did something in history and that he makes claim about himself as our creator and parent.
The question was what would make you believe, if you are determined not to believe, you might deny all kinds of things. The issue is not whether someone can demonstrate it, but rather whether you would be prepared to be open-minded enough to accept it if they did.
'Remember, we know so little about this universe and its inhabitants, it is very possible that there exists a race of beings capable of god-like “miracles” using technologies we are yet to possess. 'so you have no problem with the potential existence of someone who can do any of the things God is claimed to have done, therefore you have no problem with the actual existence of someone who has done all of those things. In effect someone who calls themself God and can genuinely claim responsibility for the actions of the God in the bible could exist. You just wouldn't call them God. Why not? It seems to me that your issue is not with believing that God might exist, but rather with giving said God the rightful position as creator, parent, monarch or redeemer.What if they let you watch them destroy the universe and create another one just like it, or another that was nothing like it, or both? Would that make them God?