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Yes Montgomery Advertiser, we know how to read and think for ourselves that's why we can know what little you think as well as why it is so obviously wrong. You want a civics lesson why don't you start by reading the 11 page Constitution you claim we are ignoring?
There are 7 absolutely indispensable qualifying words in the supremacy clause that preserve the meaning & propose of the Federal Constitution: "which shall be made in pursuance thereof;"
If theses words are ignored as they most effectively are by Washington & its employees then the federal Constitution is itself a dead-letter. That is if we and our states ignore our oath to uphold it.
As many determined patriots in this country have said time and time again for decades, If Washington wants our guns they will have to rip them from our cold dead hands for they shall not get them peacefully. That is the last straw that we can afford to allow to break.
The word is postbellum(after war) not post-antebellum.
Your right the war no more settled the issue of nullification than Al-Gore invented the internet. Indeed it could and perhaps should be argued the war had little to nothing to do with nullification for the north was fighting about secession, while at the same time practicing nullification.
So of course it’s absurd to suggest that the "Civil War" would settle as illegitimate a practice carried out most vigorously by the conquering States. What we have here is a conspiracy of historical ignorance and political corruption to teach people to believe in the unworkable lie, that a prisoner can be trusted to guard himself.
So we find people defending the absolute power of Washington even as it is used to destroy the very real and tangible rights to self-government they claim to cherish. Of course they claim that the other 2 branches would check this court ignoring the fact that it was the other two branches that not only share the centralized power interest of that ‘court’ but had in fact handpicked that ‘court’ in the first place.
Sometimes I find myself wondering if there is a way that we could simply let theses fools laugh themselves into slavery. But of course to do that would mean that we would either have to be drag along with them or find a way to convince them to leave us alone. Unfortunately that is the egg for our chicken.
Brilliant!
I think we all know what need to happen next. There needs to be a confrontation and the Feds need to come off looking bad.
"“Let’s be clear,” he continued, “law enforcement officers take an oath of office to uphold federal law and they are going to continue to pursue drug traffickers and drug dealers.”"
If they want to get paid and keep their job they will not do what their State & people tell them not to do. The Feds need never be told what happened.
@RossWilliams I've lost comment's as well I think there is something quirky with the software that sometimes drops comment's. Just re-post yours.
The laws of nature show that self-destructive errors arise in every generation of every species.. People like me and jeanJacquesBurlamaqui don't traditionally refer to theses self-distributive errors as natural. Instead we reconize them for what they are, errors that ultimately kill the poor individual either directly or by inhibiting thier reproduction.
Indeed we call them unnatural because we feel it is morally obligatory to attempt to rectify said errors if we can to save the individual.
historic attitudes shrouding homosexuality & the practice of sodomy are all natural outgrowths of a cultures need to help compensate and prohibit the expression of these errors among its members.
We think it’s sad and cruel that you choose to embrace theses crippling errors in these poor souls rather than attempt to help them correct it. This is really no different than to encourage a man’s heavy drinking habit. Sure he might enjoy it it might even give him great pleasure but in reality it’s also destroying his life. This is what you’re doing to people who suffer from the diseases of homosexuality. It’s a cruel practice, to encourage someone as they slowly kill themselves(biologically) but you may have noticed that neither of us are getting on your case about it.
That perhaps is our sin.
"In the course of political human events ... in this country ... there is no political requirement, anywhere, for reproduction. So you can put that gibberish toobox of yours away and deal with the issue."
If the issue is marriage than the subject is reproduction, this is in fact the propose of the institution of Marriage. As for a "requirement” you might find it interesting that historically one of the soul reasons a man could divorce his wife was if she was infertile.
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"Only is "one" were an idiot who has not read the Constitution and does not understand the political foundations of our nation."
I have read the Federal constitution and found no mention of the institution of marriage, I have many State constitutions some of them have marriage others have it not.
I know however on the other-hand that marriage in on this continent among the English states was a religious institution with common-law recondition.
Technically no state has to recognize any marriage whatsoever. Technically the benefits given to a persons spouse could not be given at all, or if they must be given , they could be given to anyone the person designates.
The logical reason for giving it to the spouse was back when women were still spending their time actual producing and raising families such as a real marriage is about. Extending said benefits to the wife was essence to the value of said benefits.
From the employers point of view just giving the benefits out to anyone might make little sense as they would not be providing services to a family to which the man is permently attached. Therefore extending said services does not so much add to employee loyalty by creating dependence.
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"So what? We were formed, politically, to do away with the other forms of political non-freedom, and create a government of limited power with a population free to do what was left."
The implication was that that marriage is, as i believe it, part of the natural powers of the earth which we have no legitimate power to alter.
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"They will absolutley NOT be "submitted as accepted". "
As far as i can tell the only said fact you reject is the notion that many if not most state Government lack the power to redefine marriage. Not that marriage predates the union nor that Washington lacks the power to redefine it.
Even rejecting that premise nonetheless carry's into my proceeding statement about the problem of redefining terms.
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"The Constitution does not apply to dogs other than as a piece of protperty that a man - as a US citizen - has a property right to. Do you have a problem sticking to the subject?"
Here we agree on our terms, although i think you will find in maybe 30 years certainty ideologies in this federation will think otherwise. For the same reason the same ideologies no longer hold a meaningful understanding of the concept of marriage.
Such is an invariable concupiscence of refusing to draw a line on function and instead yielding to ill-rational ideas of equality among functionally different types rather than instances of types.
It is for these reasons that I can still see marriage as a specific type of union for a specific propose rather than an ultimately pointless & expensive expression of affection to which the institution is entirely inappropriate.
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"The only thing you've explained with any clarity is that you're a ratinalizing, grasping bigot of an idiot who can't seem to get through his rock skull that we are a nation of FREE PEOPLE who must all be treated equally by the government at every turn."
I can see the anger between your lines, as you try and grasp for a way to rationalize & justify what is essencaly nonsensical and non-functional position. Where I in your position I would be frustrated as well. There is no way to make this box work just as there is no way people of the same sex can conserve a child.
Nature provides us with rules and we haven’t the capacity to violate those rules, although as with everything else we can bury our heads in the sand trying to reject them, like a boy who calls a blue wall red.
I agree wholeheartedly that people should be treated equally but I also recognize that not everything under the sun is of the same type. That a dog is infact not the same as a man and therefore cannot be said to be equal in all ways to a man, they are quite simply different animals.
The same is true of the union of marriage and the ‘union’ of love. They are different kinds of unions created legitimately entirely different proposes. Just because you and many other people seem to have forgotten what their key differences are does not make them any less different, nor does it entitle you to redefine and/or alter them for the rest of us.
Yet this is what you propose to do, in refashioning our ‘hammer’ into the ‘screwdriver’ you need, simply because you happen to like the trappings of our ‘hammer’.
This is not fair to us and it is wrong that you can do this. What makes your need for a screwdriver and desire for the trappings of our ‘hammer’ so superior to our needs for our own ‘hammer’ as to allow you to do this?
You are infact declaring yourself more ‘equal’ than not only us who need that ‘hammer’ but everyone else who should desire the same trappings but want yet another entirely different tool.
Why can’t you simply make your own trappings, or simply accept the equal trappings of ‘civil union’ given to you? Why must you take our name?
Why must you rob us of our tool instead of simply fashioning your own?
"For whom?"
If you wish to uses a screwdriver as a hammer that is your business, but never forget as you have in the case of "Same-sex-marriage" that it is in fact a hammer, not a screwdriver. A hammer cannot do what a screwdriver can do; a Hammer is simply not designed to do what you wish it to do.
Our "hammer"(marriage) is designed to to hold families together to better ride the rapids of life's shifting emotions, not make a simple social statement about current feelings.
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And since the power to define "proper" family structure is not a power given to the government ... the government does not have that power. We do. The states can address it, but they cannot obliterate it.
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I agree Washington does not have the legitimate power to redefine marriage. Indeed one might argue that most State government lack legitimate power on this issue as well. Marriage predates every States just as it predates the union of theses united States, and all other political unions currently known.
All of these facts may be submitted as accepted, but what you propose to say is that a man is not a man, that he is in fact a dog or vice versa.
You may think the distinction between Dog and a man is far more clear cut than that of a union about love and a union about raising families. But I don’t for each have very different functions & goals upon this Earth, and must accordingly operate under very different rules, privileges, and distinct names.
I actually explained this difference in the case of marriage vs a union about expressing an emotional sentiment to the world. That a marriage being based upon family must be held together for the sake of said children regardless of emotional feelings among the parents. That a union centered upon the present feelings among the parent has no legitimate need to exist or be recognized outside of that group at all. Nor is it reasonable to expect such a union to last longer than the emotional bond of its members about which it is based.
These are very different animals just as Men are very different animals than Dogs.
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"Do you not realize where you live? This isn't Iran, or Sudan, or any of the newly "democratized" "Arab Spring" nations which have imposed tyranny by popular assent. This is the United States. We are supposed to have freedom here, and on this [one] issue we seem to be [finally] living up to our ideal. Don't backslide."
If you want the "Freedom" to sleep around and divorce easy don't get married. Your children may suffer from that choice(With a broken single parent family). It is nonetheless your individual choice to make. Make it and live with it.
Marriage is and continues to fall apart in America because as it is currently defined it is increasingly hollow and pointless.
The reason most people's attempts to defend & preserve real marriage (Man & woman pair) fail is because they have defined it on the foundation of the emotional attachment of the parents(Love). This emotional attachment of course precludes he necessity of the institution (state or religious) just as it entirely misses the whole practical point of marriage.
After all if you love someone you should not need (or want) the state (legally) or religion (morally) bind you to them. This of course was the whole point of the institution. All legal and social benefits were just add-ons to better facilitate the interaction of the same external groups with the resulting family.
Nonetheless as people have come to see their marriages as entirely about love divorce rates have correspondingly skyrocket to reflect the very real reality that people do in fact fall in and out of the emotional state of love. This is insolently the same reality for which the institution of marriage was necessary to help deal with in respect to children.
But today people don't associate marriage as first and foremost about procreation & family. Today marriage is defined as being first and foremost about the emotion of love and thus when love ends people tend to end their marriage, children & families be dammed. (As many of them are now,)
Until marriage starts being first and foremost about children & family’s again(IE no divorce except in extraordinary circumstances, regardless of how you feel) , practically it really is not marriage, and the historic trappings of marriage don’t really suit it, hence their progressive abandonment.
Good idea, we should suggest this movie to all the States.
Any state government Official that goes along with Obamacare should be held accountable to their people, they can stop this monstrosities assault upon their people if only they would raise a finger in defense of their people.
We need to make a list of names for the transmission to the primaries contest in both party's. If we wan't theses people to be accountable we must be sure that their voters are made aware of what they did, and what they failed to do.
I think we should ask our allies in the State legislators to help us make such a list and be sure that their "friends" and "enemy's" know about that list.
More people need to know theses thing, this should be taught in school!
Under-what moral justification can a man who has no children be made to pay for the education of other men's children if not to see to that those children know theses things so as not to become a threat to him or each-other when given the power of the vote.
People worry about gun safety education but what about voter safety, after all voting is simply the act by which one weld a far more numerous and consequential set of guns(force).
I think it was 9 because they didn't want to start a new union with less, nothing more nothing less..
I read article 7 as simply this:
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same."
I don't see the one people in there, nor do I see any indication of union outside of the so ratifying States.
Perhaps someone should suggest to David we will primary and General him if he don't step aside.
Surely David's district host more than a few Real conservatives to challenge and defeat him if not simply prevent him from winning.
David is of course well aware of the fact that we need mealy to get rid of him to replace him.
Well theses governors Need to be notified that they are now dead to us. If they will not stand-up for our rights why should we stand up for them?
Still we must remember to be encouraged by those governors and legislators that have demonstrated themselves to be true patriots, and continued the fight for our rights.
it is in theses men & women in which our future should rise.
Do not shy away wigs, you should have been expecting them. Washington has had 150+ years of indoctrination, and systematic consolation to weaken our States into an effective vassal status. All of this was largely accomplished long before almost anyone alive today was even born.
Our effort to defeat, undercut, and reverse what was build by Washington in an effort to formulate and consolidate an empire around itself but be seen in that light.
I will admit to there being a problem with this article but only in how it is presented as if to protray a crushing defeat when infact this sort of betrial has happened quite a lot over the proceeding 150 years, and was indeed expected this time around as well.
What is important here to the success of our movement however is not the Governers that betrayed our constitution, our faith, and our rights, But the Governors & states that did not, and will not.
It is in them that we have found success both in systematic organization and in personality, and it is with them that we have a blueprint, and symbol with which to move forward. This is of course very important to our movement, so do not be depressed about that which most of us knew would come to past, instead be optimistic about what we have achieved.
We have learned more about our enemy, and on this day ourselves(as a group). we now know better who can be trusted and who must simply be used & discarded but never unguarded.
As Sun Tzu said: Know your enemy and know yourself and you shall not know defeat.
We on this forum and in this movement in general are still in the process of learning that enemy and ourselves. We know a great deal, hence victory's, but we also still have much to learn, hence our defeats.
I don't regard these defections however as defeats in that they were both expected and necessary. There are much harder days ahead to try men's souls. The So called "Associated Press" is simply trying to uses these people to crush our spirits in hopes of also crushing our movement.
But the spirt of liberty cannot be crushed, nor can anyone who understands our movement for what it is be so discouraged by what we have seen. We have indeed seen victory in many states & many places.
This is nothing new or unexpected in the Constitutionlist movement. Indeed traitors like theses Governors have proved themselves to be are exactly what we have been expecting. We just were not necessarily sure which of our governors & state leaders would prove to be Washington's men in the end.
Indeed even among the lot that survives we still don't know how many of them will prove to be the true patriots that we require. But it is among that lot that survive that we should put our hopes and see our success. For it is in that lot that that we have demonstrated success & patriotism.
As for the traitors, theses Governors actions on Obamacare is without a doubt the ultimate betrayer on their part.
We can only do one thing about this: See to it that this betrayal sinks them, as an example to all other Benedict Arnold that might arise among our ranks. No political quarter will be afforded to traitors.
Let us uses this albatrosses to sink them, and convince our fellow patriot voters that a vote for them is no better, nay worse than a vote for a democrat. If theses traitors wish to reverse themselves they have until the election to do so successfully.
I would on the matter of school books hold a serises of General votes of the leglsator to express the opinion of the State on such matters of grave importance, and that such opinion should be transmuted to our posterity in the State schools.
Such an act might not only help to clearly define the nature of American Government to our children(something that is obviously in great need). But might also help to clearly define the nature of the PUBLIC school system to our people(by method of the ensuring controversy).