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@Mitchell McAlister @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)
Mitchell don't fool yourself. Not all of America allows its citizens to protect themselves. In some very influential and prominent states the gun laws almost rival Australia's.
In '93 the State of NY declined to give me a carry license because I could "prove no reason". The fact that I was a Captain of Infantry, combat vet, selected to be an instructor at the Academy, was an officer representative for West Point's pistol team and had parents that lived in a dicey part of NYC had no import in the discussion.
It was highly educational when I was the victim of an attempted carjacking in Jamaica Queens. The experience was reinforced when I reported the incident to the female cop I was picking up for dinner and who refused to do anything.
One cannot rely on the authorities to protect you. They in fact have no legal requirement to do so. (Try suing a gov't for not protecting your from a crime.) Their legal charge is to enforce the law, collect evidence and find those that have created the puddle of blood.
2 days, 4 hours ago on Australia’s Military and the Gun Debate (Pt.1)
Great letter. Sadly it's wasted on Bergdahl and his supporters. It might as well have been in Aramaic. The concepts he speaks of are unfathomable to Bergdahl and company.
2 days, 21 hours ago on Bergdahl to be charged
Even more so for the Israelis.
2 days, 21 hours ago on Iran: Negotiations, Nukes & EMP
@E Jones @majrod
You over estimate your stature in my eyes if you think you can hurt my feelings. I was more concerned with how the personal attacks were reflecting on you and what you bring to the debate. My concern was wasted. Apologies.
I assumed you were speaking of education when you dismissed my position stating I was "out of my league" I
naturally figured you meant that you weren't. Deciding that your
opinion was not superior based upon your military experience, it was a natural
error to conclude that you were referring to formal
I wouldn't want to trouble 'management' with
having them try to assess your remark about 'leagues' so I fear that we shall
have to leave this with an agreement to disagree...
1 week ago on The Iranian Boogeyman
We are applying theory to the world. They don't always fit and they aren't always right.
We aren't discussing my life experiences, I have a multitude of them that bear directly on how we interact with other nations and many that have nothing to do with the issue. Experience is important. Education is also. I have both (and that still doesn't make me always right). Never the less, despite your efforts to attack me personally and discredit my perspective because of a lack of a masters degree in IR it's not the subject. Get over yourself and stop acting like a professor in a classroom that has the "right" answer. Address the issues and stop trying to attack me personally. It makes you much smaller than the esteemed letters after your name would imply. I know that's the approach that applies in today's "liberal" universities which are anything but. Try and ride above how you were taught to behave in an environment that espouses the exchange of ideas but is actually a finishing school for orthodoxy.
FWIW, I actually have more than the average understanding of nuclear weapons, deterrence strategy, or state-to-state relations. You are cocksure they apply completely in every situation and/or you are always applying them correctly. They don't and you're not.
"Only in some fantasy world does a state regime do things to weaken its position or in support of a suicidal strategy."
Actually not, there are quite a few examples of regimes not acting in a way that is not in their best interest. The Batista and Somoza regimes in Cuba and Nicaragua respectively had opportunities to avoid the rebellions that led ti their ultimate downfalls. Nazi Germany made multiple mistakes in WWII that were not in its interest, e.g. attacking Russia, declaring war on the US, holding its extensive holdings instead of withdrawing. If the Soviet Union always had acted in ways that strengthened it, the USSR would still be around..
As you described, there have been many authoritarian regimes . If they all acted in ways that always strengthened them they would have stayed in power indefinitely. Yet history is littered with the bones of these regimes who thought they were strengthening themselves when they actually were doing the opposite. If you weren't so blinded by diplomas you may realize I'm not necessarily the one with tunnel vision. In short the Iranians may believe they are acting in their best interests when the perspective from the other side and objective observers (if they can be found) would say the opposite.
Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction... @majrod
Actually he was relieved (fired) http://www.dodbuzz.com/2015/04/10/air-force-general-fired-for-a-10-treason-comments/
1 week ago on USAF investigates General calling airmen treasonous over A10
Using that approach ANY regime (e.g. N. Korea) conducting terror raids anywhere in the world can be deemed as in engaging of "maximization of the regime's power".
I'm not misinterpreting. I'm demonstrating how "THEORIES" don't always fit or describe real world dynamics.
"In fact, the evidence is to the contrary: everything the Iranian regime
has done in policy, military strategy, and operations is for the
expressed purpose of maximizing the power of the regime domestically and
1 week, 1 day ago on The Iranian Boogeyman
Layman to layman... ;)
I have to disagree with some of your premises (though I love your style)
"Iran WILL become a nuclear-armed state." Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria all wanted to become nuclear states. They all failed and the critical component was international, US or a single state had enough national will to stop them. Iran may become a nuclear state but that won't be so much because of their efforts but a lack of external will to keep this unique and terrible genie in the bottle. It's not too late today but it may be as soon as tomorrow if we fail to act. Let's revisit when I bring up what containment really means...
You say, "So it is possible to live with a nuclear Iran." after listing a bunch of nations that already have nukes. That does not make your case. Since so many people have guns can a spouse married to a domestic abuser feel safe in living with an armed partner? I think not. BTW, N. Korea's ownership of nuclear weapons keeps many up at night. I'd equate it the multitude of criminals we allow to own guns because we don't enforce the law (e.g. when a felon tries to buy a gun at a gun store and is declined they are not always charged as they should be). N. Korea overnight might be the poster child for why we should not let Iran get nukes. http://defensetech.org/2015/04/08/norad-chief-north-korean-mobile-nuclear-icbm-operational-today/#more-24751
Referring to before mentioned "nutjobs" as "shrewd political animals, not deranged warmongers". You have a point but these "shrewd political animals" because of miscalculation can become deranged warmongers. (The casual mention of Castro sends chills down my spine. Did we so forget how close we came to nuclear war in Oct '62 that we consider Castro a "success"? A restudy of that incident would be very informative on the perils of miscalculation and how a "nutjob" almost succeeded in causing a nuclear exchange. Mao and Korea might also be worth a revisit.)
I don't think Hitler in '33, '39 or maybe even on the eve of invading Russia expected to plunge the whole world into war but once he took that fateful step the die was cast and despite efforts to kill him the world devolved into unparallelled chaos. Sadly, the world can allow the occasional despot to rule a nation and not do the whole world too much damage. We don't have that luxury when it comes to nukes. A concept it seems we have become way too comfortable with. As evidence of that has anyone noticed the general silence in response to Putin's repeated nuclear threats against Poland, Sweden, Norway, the Baltic states etc.? There was a time those kind of utterings would have caused great concern. I believe the world so wants to believe the Cold War and the nuclear threat it posed is over that it is sticking its head in the sand to the very real threat in our current world order. As evidence let me introduce our Sec of State's statement,“You just don’t” invade another country “on a completely trumped up pretext”. Yeah, tell the Ukrainians that, multiple times. The same goes for a nuclear armed Iran.
Your comment about unenforced treaties and their results is profoundly on target. (that dovetails well into my comments about international/national will.) Containment of Iran isn't. Maybe I misunderstand. Do we surrender Iraq, Syria, Lebanon to Iran like we gave Eastern Europe to the Russians after WWII? What about Yemen which today features an Iranian flotilla moving to the Gulf of Aden? Is accepting a nuclear armed Iran (which isn't today) part of "containment"? Do we also practice containment against Saudi Arabia and her allies that will also go nuclear the day Iran's formal nuclear capability is announced. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846
You compared our eventual victory over the Warsaw pact as achievable against Iran but where do you draw the Shi'a curtain? If one sits down with a map and draws that line one will find oneself with an unavoidable realization. We'll have peace in the middle east with Iran satisfied with its current holdings or a nuclear conflagration
Those that think peaceful coexistence is possible with Iran because they will stop their expansion once they have achieved their national security objectives always fail to state where on the map Iran will feel satisfied or acknowledge the Saudis (and their ME allies) won't go gently into the night. Neither will Israel.
1 week, 2 days ago on The Iranian Boogeyman
@Fred82 @majrod @PeteN
I can agree with a lot of what you're saying (e.g. treading carefully, last drop of US blood, Iranian Jews and more) but because you may not count an incident isn't the definitive decision on the matter.
I'd be interested to hear about the direct action missions you are generally referring to. Did the include a bomb that would kill numerous innocent Americans?
While Iran may not equal the German Army of '39 it's much more capable than the German Army of '33. The similarities go well beyond military power though as do the lessons.
Were the KPA and the NVA terror organizations?
The VC maybe...
I did list a bunch more examples though Pete.
LOL, yes, I'll send my international affairs national security diploma back to West Point.
I will continue to look forward to your objective impersonal "learned" analysis of the peons punctuated by your professional discourse..
A crusty NCO once gave me some great advice that stuck with me through the years. He said, "Sir, don't let your book learning overcome
your common sense. It'll make you an arrogant fool. Oh, and listen to the troops. They might not have your diploma but they have good ideas sometimes."
I guess all those NCO's
retired before you showed up...
Was Kruschev involved in a negotiation when he banged his shoe? Was he even addressing the US? (No on both counts and not similar behavior) Now if you have an example of such behavior at a SALT negotiation I'd acknowledge they were comparable.
The Soviet Union did support numerous terrorist organizations throughout its history. Which ones conducted operations against US troops? Which ones kidnapped, tortured and murdered a CIA station chief? Which ones launched a raid to capture American soldiers to trade them back for Russian prisoners?
The fact the Iranians have dome all the above points to at least a recklessly aggressive record of behavior.
What evidence do you have that the Iranians will honor international norms of behavior?
As you know there are many IR theories. Theories are also imperfect models that attempt to explain or predict international behavior. If a description of ongoing phenomena doesn't fit one's doctrinal IR theory definition it doesn't necessarily undermine one's argument. If it were so we could never develop new theories could we?
Actual International Relations do not follow a set of rules like physics or baseball. If you want to discount my perspective because I don't use "rational" exclusively in the classic sense that is your right. I'm sure there are some that say Hillary Clinton didn't delete official correspondence because it wasn't on a US Gov't server.
There are various schools of thought that equate nations to living organisms, incorporate organizational theory into international relations theory or sell to incorporate psychology in international relations theory. Some IR theories even focus on the personalities of a nation's leaders. "Rational" can have different meanings in those applications.
Can it be confusing? Sure! Some actually count on that confusion to obfuscate holes in their analysis. I'll be watching you with interest to see if you are so academically puritan in your assessments of positions that support yours...
Getting back to the case at hand. Killing a Saudi Ambassador might "rationally" increase Iran's security in the short term but depending on the US reaction would in fact have the opposite impact. (That was an example I cited BTW and dangerously assumed the average reader could connect the dots) One could make a classic IR argument that Iran launching an EMP weapon over the US is a rational act in the IR sense with the assumption that the US response would not outweigh the benefits of that action. Great! One gets an "A" on a academic paper but fails in the real world laboratory.
SOFREP is not a scholastic blog. When we discuss operations like conducting the feasability of an airborne drop on Tora Bora I don't get onto the distance required between transport planes or how a stick is made up of troops from different units. I write for the reader not the professor or even the professional soldier.
Finally, if Iran is so "predictable" why didn't you warn someone about the threat on the Ambassador's life and when is Iran going nuclear?
(or am I using "predictable" wrong?)
What state sponsored terror was Kruschev supporting? Kruschev wasn't kidnapping Americans in a third country nor was he trying to conduct direct action missions in the US.
I'm actually using it in both definitions and I don't buy your premise that "rational" only has one meaning in a "regional security landscape".
The acts I described don't further Iran's regional security and aren't well thought out.
I agree with much Peter says but not here. (Sorry Pete)
"Apocalyptic nutjobs don’t last as the rulers of a country." Well we can cite a few nutjobs that did last. Start with Hitler move east to include Stalin, Mao and N. Korea's leaders. All stayed in power way too long but here's the kicker and especially when it comes to nukes. A nutjob doesn't have to be in power too long to plunge the world into disaster.
"Hardline Shi’a Islamism is the framework for how the Council of
Guardians and the IRGC maintain their power over the Iranian people." No it's not that simple. If it were the masses would be out looking for the Mahdi. There's plenty of jean wearing western loving Iranians in Iran and even though their women hav less rights than other parts of the Islam world they fill important non traditional roles. Hardline Shi'a Islamism wouldn't cindine that.
The regime maintains control through their secret police and keeping those with the guns deep in cash and power. Just like the kleptocracy in Russia. There is also a hardcore group of Islamists on control. Unlike Saudi Arabia which does use Islam to maintain power you don't see a lot of Iranian wealth being "blinged" across the world. The Islamic rulers are true believers. That said there are limits to how Islam is jammed down the Iranian masses throats.
A poignant example of how Islamism isn't the driving force is revealed in how the regime handled its student demonstrators. The student demonstrators executed after the green revolution attempt weren't killed over being Islamic heretics. They were killed for resisting the regime. There may have been some Islamic trappings but the decisions to execute (literally) were pretty secular ones.
I don't disagree there is a bit of boisterous propaganda to the Iranian regime's grip on power but that doesn't mean the core beliefs are wrong and one should also keep in mind Persia's proud culture. Nazi propaganda didn't portray the US badly at first but the leaders were against us and our way of life for a long time before 9 Dec '41. They were ALWAYS virulently anti-Semitic. Likewise, not calling for the "Great Satan's demise doesn't mean the Iranian regime isn't actively wanting that outcome.
"They have pragmatic ties with Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, and
Argentina, to name a few. Notice that none of the named countries are
Islamic." Having pragmatic ties does not indicate one's motivations, intentions or goals. Serial killers go to the neighborhood grocery store. The US is one of China's greatest trading partners (and was Japan's biggest before WWII). That does not mean China is not trying to undermine the US at every turn. How and why do you think N. Korea survives?
There is a recurrent theme that Iran is actually a pragmatic, rational country. It isn't. Why does a pragmatic, rational country launch terrorist raids in Argentina and Eastern Europe? Why diametrically pit yourself against the only nuclear power in the neighborhood and try to kill the Saudi's ambassador in the US with a bomb in a crowded DC restaurant? Why have a history of kidnapping American citizens? Why yell at the sitting Secretary of State across a nuclear negotiating table and build a mock up of a US carrier and destroy it in the midst of those same negotiations? There are more examples but for brevity I'll leave it there.
Here's the chilling thought. Let's fool ourselves and say for a moment that Iran is rationale and they did things like the above assasination attempt and the Karbala raid
thinking they would escape blame. Do you really want these guys to have nuke bomb tech they could give to their proxies?
I agree that there is some extremism out there on both sides but those who think for a moment that Iran is going to limit itself to the middle east (which by itself is tremendously destabilizing) are as wise as those believing Hitler would be satiated with the Sudetenland and there were options way before that point than just going to war.
YP wanted me to share the photo below "Licensed
image Canstock Photo #3682712" which depicts the
Mitchell "cloud" pattern of the Korea-Vietnam period. A boatload on the way to Korea sank and was the cause of most soldiers wearing a solid color most of that war.
1 week, 3 days ago on LEBANON 1958: Dancing Between The Raindrops By Yankee Papa
(For the casual reader I got into a discussion with Steve elsewhere on the camo patterns on US paratroopers' helmets. It's a minor trivia point.)
I doubted very much US troops would be using a foreign camo pattern especially back then national pride being what it was but you have something there...
1 week, 4 days ago on LEBANON 1958: Dancing Between The Raindrops By Yankee Papa
@Txazz Saw that interview. I wasn't surprised.
1 week, 4 days ago on Bergdahl to be charged
Nice find. Disturbing quote;
"An Iranian fighter, with a
Kalashnikov rifle slung over his shoulder and a picture of Iranian
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei pinned to his chest, bragging
about Tehran's role in the campaign.
am proud to participate in the battle to liberate Tikrit," said the
man, who called himself Sheik Dawood. "Iran and Iraq are one state now."
Yesterday I read a report of no prisoners being taken in the assault. When it was briefed by the Iraqis they were quick to add after seeing the Americans faces that they assumed all living ISIS fighters were suicide bombers.
I don't feel bad for ISIS but it does show the character of the Iraq-Iranian military and where this is heading.
2 weeks ago on Iran, Er, “Iraq” Opens Tikrit Offensive
Bergdahl to have his Art 32 (essentially a Grand Jury ) hearing 8 July, THREE months from now...
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Bergdahl to be charged
Interesting and informative. I wish the LA Times was as informative about our lack of leadership, the decision to not leave a residual force and the impact on US credibility of not enforcing the chemical weapons red line...
2 weeks, 2 days ago on US SOF Leaving Yemen, Unstated Ramifications…
"...Certainly not "cowardice..."
Agree but as long as the Corps' senior leaders promotes books like "Breakout: The Chosin Reservoir Campaign, Korea 1950," by Martin Russ the horrific perceptions will continue.
The above book is on none other than the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps reading list. You can check out Amazon.com reviews for the awful treatment of the Army in the book. I don't want to cite it here and distract from your fine article.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on A DISTANT GLORY: The Ethiopian Imperial Guard In Korea
Great stuff as always YP. A very unrecognized part of history.
I hope you can do something on your Dad's experience at Chosin. Many don't know there were soldiers there and an undermanned Army regiment was wiped out simultaneously destroying two Chinese divisions buying the Marines time to secure their rear and airfield which were crucial to their epic withdrawal. Many more have heard the story portrayed inappropriately as an example of Army cowardice.
The devil is in the details. I suspect the women going to this course may have taken it more seriously and were afforded more opportunity to train for it in comparison to the men.
I also noticed all the women that passed were officers.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Female Combat Arms Integration Driving Specialty Specific PT Test
Absolutely masterful effort at deception. There is so much they don't say about the survey that the deception is obvious to anyone who can read and think.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Iran: Negotiations, Nukes & EMP
I no longer believe there is a lack of understanding. There may be a misunderstanding. No one can be this incompetent but someone could believe this is going to turn out very differently than it is if one buys into a bankrupt anti-colonialist perspective of the world.
There are those that believe we are where we are because we have oppressed others. They see a US decline as correcting previous wrongs.
To keep seeing our foreign policy as aimless or just incompetent mistakes is to fundamentally misunderstand the problem. It risks staying on this track, keeping or letting these people become decision makers again or allowing this sort of insanity to repeat itself in the future. This is why isolationism is getting a second chance in some circles...
2 weeks, 5 days ago on US SOF Leaving Yemen, Unstated Ramifications…
I am going to start looking in more detail as to where this is going.
The framing question will be, "What will the ME look like with Iran on the verge of nuclear capability?"
The answer includes nuclear arms race, internal instability in ME nations, proxy conflict among Muslim nations with pending direct conflict and pre-emptive strikes, US forces in the middle (don't see us closing up shop in Kuwait, Oman, Qatar etc.), diminishing US international leadership role, impact on oil prices/worldwide economy which all creates more instability...
I'm AMAZED at the little commentary threatened Russian nuclear strikes get from the world.
If it were the US making these threats the world would stop spinning. It is no small matter and lowers the thresh hold for possible use.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on NORDIC THUNDER: A detective story
A side benefit for sure. Just like we try and rotate troops through combat even when we don't have to but for sure Iran can't have another radical Islamic force in the ME besides itself.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on Iran, Er, “Iraq” Opens Tikrit Offensive
Hve had that feeling since I was a plebe back in 1981 where we had to read and be conversational on the froint page of the paper by 0800 accountability formation.
Worst, was the mandatory subscription.
2 weeks, 6 days ago on Bergdahl to be charged
NYT making the case that prosecuting Bergdahl would be bad for the Army.
"Prosecuting Bergdahl could be the worst thing
for the Army. The NYT editors argue
this morning that a trial would raise public questions about why someone like
Bowe Bergdahl was recruited in the first place. While it would be easy to
prosecute him for slipping off the base, they wrote this morning, "they
would have a tougher time explaining why it's worthwhile to prosecute a soldier
the Army recruited despite significant concerns about his psychological state
and who endured years of torture and privation during his captivity. As a
general matter, the American military has good reason to punish service members
who desert. However, it should exercise discretion in extraordinary cases.
Sergeant Bergdahl's is certainly one." (From Defense One SITREP)
They tried the same tactic to justify Bradley Manning's huge intelligence breach.
Yes, this passes for wisdom in certain circles...
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Bergdahl to be charged
"First of all, it makes absolutely no sense, but even if it was true, it still wouldn't excuse his actions."
To the defense I'd say, "Yeah, you run with that."
A little more detail... http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-27/bergdahl-lawyer-says-he-was-awol-not-a-deserter
People in the wrong often reach for ridiculous reasoning to excuse their criminality. Remember that story I told about the guilty cadet who wrote his congressman about being mightly punished when the prosecution actually had the wrong date and confessed to the offenses in his letter? It was entered as evidence when the Congresman sent it to the General for an explanation. The cadet ended up as SPC in Korea.
As your initial post that's an astute observation.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Playing Lets Make a Deal with Iran…
@SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) @majrod @YankeePapa
They have over 200 F15's alone.
I was told a story once about an Arabic pilot student (can't confirm it or say he was Saudi). Bought a brand new RV and was driving it across the desert back to base. Wanted to get a drink or use the bathroom and set the auto pilot.
When the State Police pulled him out of the RV after it rolled on to its side they explained the difference between cruise control and an auto pilot.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on US SOF Leaving Yemen, Unstated Ramifications…
Both the US and Israel denied the claim. Funny it was reported in a Kuwait paper.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Iran: Negotiations, Nukes & EMP
I also saw this. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article16352546.html
Interesting how Pakistan promised a strong response if Saudi territory is threatened.
@Ed A @majrod
I have. Both of them.
The second,"On the Ground the Secret War in Vietnam" was my favorite.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on SFC Ricardo Gonzalez Davis: A MACV-SOG Warrior Remembered
Links would be helpful
That would be a heck of a delay but not impossible. Heck, I didn't think it would go on this long.
Absolutely impossible. It was a methodically planned and executed embassy evacuation.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on US SOF Leaving Yemen, Unstated Ramifications…
@YankeePapa @majrod @Luddite4Change
"Hell, they even moved the Army/Marine tank school from Fort Knox without bothering to inform me."
Yes and my input wasn't requested either. The neighborhood has gone to hell with long haired tankers.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Bergdahl to be charged
Predictable that those inside the White House don't consider what we could do to secure our troops better in Iraq.
Well, we do have more Gitmo detainees to give them...
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Iran: Negotiations, Nukes & EMP
It’s good to read different perspectives. This author makes a point of
not discussing any foreign involvement and focusing on internal Yemeni
dissent. Informative but misleading if one thinks this is purely a
Not as blatant as the press secretary sticking to the narrative that
Yemen is a counter terror success. One can walk away with a couple of
factual tidbits like, “yes, we are still trying to kill AQ in Yemen” or
understanding the machinations of the Houthis in internal Yemeni
politics. Worthless in determining future courses of action which does
support the administrations foreign policy direction.
It certainly contributes but other channels have had some of his comrades on. I think a more powerful reason is the "poor Bowe" defenses would get SHREDDED. E.G. "What about the men that died looking for you and their families?"
I'd "L O V E" to ask him some questions like how he continued to resist as the Code of Conduct requires.
Agree, an Art 15 would get a vociferous response. (That doesn't mean the powers that be don't think they can wait out the rank and file and public anger.)
It might not be the same type but I did have to prefer charges before giving a soldier an Art 15 so the option remains.
I don't ever remember thinking Art 15's were a good use of my or my troops time. You have to investigate, gather evidence. get statements, discuss with your COC, brief higher, coordinate with JAG to be sure you have a case, send the knucklehead to JAG to get counsel, schedule the hearing (usually after work hours), hold everybody over, hold the hearing, send in the finding paperwork, supervise punishment. All the time having and wanting to do other things which is the reason MANY commanders don't do what they should when it comes to disciplining troops.
The increasingly litigious environment and diminishing options to enforce discipline (almost any type of action we used to use to correct behavior is considered unprofessional, "toxic leadership" or hazing now) also add to the mix and what I see as a great detriment to the military mindset.
@toril @majrod @YankeePapa
It'll make a good story in a book someday.
Yep. That film maker that got blamed for the Benghazi attack would also agree with you.
None-the-less, threatening someone's life gets the authorities attention and if credible will get you arrested. Shouldn't threatening an entire nation get someone's attention.
Some nut will argue this is free speech of course. Others that it's just fear mongering. I doubt they would take threats to themselves or their loved ones so casually. It's relatively easy to depersonalize a country but nations often act like humans. The threat becomes much clearer when put in personal terms one can understand.
Maybe you are looking at the wrong principles. Respecting one's right to speak vs. respecting one's right to live. Personally, the first is fine for me until you threaten the second.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Playing Lets Make a Deal with Iran…