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@TempBoy Brandon @okcjim @[coke head] @Prye05 @Jooseppi But will 12, 29 really get up to #8?Also the draft is considered weak because of a lack of top end talent, not because of a lack of quality players. If some of the top 5 players were to fall a little bit, then they are still quality players regardless of draft strength that wouldn't be there at 12.
1 year, 7 months ago on KD has officially signed with Jay-Z
@Jooseppi @Prye05 I would put MCW in the D-league too... he has a broken jump shot.
@Jooseppi @Prye05 They've made it clear that a project big man would be in the D-League. They didn't say anything about if they were to trade up and get someone like McLemore or KCP. Worth pointing out the distinction between the 2. Especially since there isn't really room for a big man, where there would clearly be a spot for a wing/guard, even more so if they were to trade Jackson (which I already said I didn't think they would do but questioned simply what it would take to move up to the 8).
@OBoy @okcjim @Prye05 @Jooseppi Well only 11 players will be gone, but I suppose to some people that's everybody.
@Jooseppi @Prye05 I'm not sure there is little incentive to actually get a player that would be a long term piece? Jackson isn't necessarily going to be signing an extension with the Thunder so it's not like they have him for much longer.
@Jooseppi @Prye05 KCP might not be there at 12 either though.
@Jooseppi @Prye05 Well there is a big difference in say McLemore who could slide and at one point was considered the best talent in this draft class and other people who would be there at 12.
@[coke head] @Jooseppi @Prye05 @TempBoy Brandon @okcjim Oh I agree, but what other trade pieces would really convince a team to move back to 12? 29, 32, Lamb or the other rookies?
@Jooseppi @Prye05 @[coke head] @TempBoy Brandon @okcjim If a top 5 talent slides to #8 you wouldn't trade the back-up PG & the 12th pick for them?
@[coke head] @Prye05 @TempBoy Brandon @okcjim Well that is what I was saying is that Reggie plus 12 gets to 8. It's DET so they need everything except PF.
@BlueLamp You forgot is 10 ft tall and runs faster than John Wall!!
@TempBoy Brandon @okcjim @Prye05 Moving up to 5 could be nice, but there is still a chance that McLemore slides (a lot of GM's reportedly weren't impressed by his workouts, he has issues apparently being out of shape, attitude, etc) so if he slides a bit he'd be there at 8 or there could always be someone else like Len who slides. But the question is what would be needed to move up. Would 12 & 29 be enough or would we have to do something like Jackson & 12?
@TempBoy Brandon @okcjim @Prye05 There are a lot of people saying Adams & KCP won't be there at 12 anymore.
ESPN rumors reporting DET possibly looking to trade down from the 8. Wonder what the asking price in addition to the 12 would be?
Agents work for players not the other way around. If Durant wants to stay in OKC then Durant will stay in OKC. However, when it gets close to free agency Durant will basically have a blank check to every team in the league, so it's all up t Durant. If he cares about HIS brand then being in OKC is his BRAND, if he goes to NJ or CHI or LAL or wherever, he has to compete with a lot of other things, but in OKC it's clearly all about him.
@Turfright Well the Heat just use half their bench for 1 game a week as it is. Miller, Allen, Battier all pretty much just showed up 1 out of the 3 games during the playoffs.
1 year, 7 months ago on Monday Bolts – 6.24.13
Maybe Perk can use D-Wade's new basketball fitness and technique APP?
@f5alcon @Prye05 @Lasch Well what better way for all the hate to be dispelled then to change Oden VS Durant to Oden AND Durant? Obviously, he's been injured quite a bit, but when he was healthy he put up some pretty decent rates. Which if you were to compare Oden to someone who is going to need to be developed like Adams or some of the other people being discussed at 12 there could be a nice amount of upside. Plus Oden when healthy is a huge defensive player, and actually has some offensive ability. Or at least he did before he got hurt. The question would be what type of contract would he have to have? Which obviously is the question any time a FA is considered.
@Lasch @Prye05 @Turfright @d21 @Lasch @Prye05 @Turfright @d21 Exactly, being compared to Wade, Melo, Bosh is what gets Darko in trouble. However, if you look at that DET team that he was drafted onto no player was really going to be cracking their starting line-up (Larry Brown doesn't like young players) so would D-Wade be the player he is currently if he was the #2 pick and forced to play behind Rip Hamilton & Chauncy Billups for a couple years as opposed to playing 25-30 mins a night as a rookie.
@Lasch @Prye05 I don't know that Oden would dislike playing with Durant just because they were drafted next to each other doesn't mean they dislike each other. I would think he might like the younger roster, granted he looks like an old veteran so maybe he prefers those types?
What are the possibilities that OKC signs Greg Oden? Seems like a low risk/ high reward contract. There were reports yesterday about the Heat looking at signing him.
@Turfright @Lasch @d21 Darko actually isn't a "bad" player when he gets minutes. The issue is that he's primarily been on teams that he didn't have a chance to play (Det with the Walalces, ORL with Dwight, Memphis with their bigs) so it stunted his growth where you see most players drafted in the top 5 getting lots of minutes to see whether they are good or not.It's actually an interesting comparison to some of OKC's picks and whether Cole Aldrich is a bust even though he never has really had a shot at major minutes.
@MisterJohnsonOKC @supreme35 @ILikePancakes It depends which team dominates the pace of game. IF LA keeps it a half-court game their size would actually make a big difference against a team like Miami. IF Miami got out in transition LAL couldn't keep up.
2 years, 7 months ago on Finally, time for Cole Aldrich
@f5alcon The way the off-season is going so far... some other team would probably outbid them for Lazar
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @supreme35 There is still tons of time left... technically most teams haven't even signed most of these players yet.
Kidd didn't exactly put up HUGE numbers for them. Getting a starting PG like Felton would probably not see a huge drop in their production. There are multiple combo guards to replace Terry. So really their drop probably won't be THAT big. However, they might suck for a year if they want to take their chances with their cap space next year. Which in a slightly different way is what the Spurs did the year they got Duncan.
@OkcBaby The Thunder should sign Adam Morrison just to bring in his championship experience.
@ElMexiThunder @Keith00 @justin_mia AND if he's not super great he can always be traded to another team at the deadline to clear up space for a veteran that could be waived...
@JimboSlice @ou_sas Don't forget about the Morris Twins... you could almost have the entire KU NCAA Champ team
@JimboSlice @ou_sas Kirk Hinrich hasn't signed...
I could have said Taylor Griffen... at least Tinsley has had an NBA career.
@ou_sas @C_Mack84 It might be the first time the NBA ever gets an age-ism class action filed by a player under 30.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @K-Dagger Daniel Plainview What about Jamal Tinsley??
@ou_sas @C_Mack84 Thabo, Collison, Perk all need to be traded simply so the Thunder can have the first Under 25 team ever
@C_Mack84 Young Thunder player... what other kind of Thunder players are there???
@K-Dagger Daniel Plainview @Shake Down the Thunder The Heat's big 3 are at prime age... they only have a few young players and don't have lots of draft picks so they do rely on a lot of veterans to succeed. They're also more money capped at this point than what the Thunder are (The big 3 keep costing more and more money every year).
2 years, 7 months ago on Thursday Bolts - 7.5.12
@ThunderBelize Personally, I'm not a big fan of what people HAVE done as much as what they are expected TO do. While he's a 2nd overall pick doesn't really make as much difference other than he's still pretty young. The thing going forward is the whole less than 100 mins, still has potential, is only being called on to do a small role WHILE being paid a very small amount of money in terms of NBA contracts.
@SB718 Actually a lot of people say Dwight is hard to coach. Just ask anyone who has ever worked on trying to fix his FT's. It's not that he isn't willing to listen. It's more he goes back to his old technique much quicker than most people would prefer.
@justin_mia That's the big problem is that most of the assistants that are good at this sort of thing are already tied to established coaches.
@SB718 It means that Dwight has issues with a lot of coaches. There is a reason he has had almost as many coaches working with him on FT's as he has years played in the league. Sometimes he moves on from coaches because he doesn't see instant improvement even though a lot of mechanical changes take time to build up.
@SB718 Part of that is just Dwight being Dwight.
@Keith00 @courtsense Compared to where it was though... Dwight actually has a somewhat improved post game. Part of Dwight's offensive problem is Dwight himself and another part is the team he plays on. However, there have been some improvements on the variations of moves he uses (he has a mini hook, a quick spin, an of course the push off alley oop)
@justin_mia @Keith00 @courtsense I was just looking at possible people and knew Ewing was actually a coach and the Orlando was going through a front-office and coaching change and thought he might be available.
Who are some other players out there? Or Big man coaches? What colleges have some quality big men... they usually have a good coach somewhere. Or maybe find a high school like Oak Hill Academy... Somewhere there is a big man coach.
@courtsense I was thinking more along the lines of former players because they actually tend to be much cheaper coaches than well established ones. Also some players actually do a good job of connecting to other players in ways that never played coaches sometimes don't. Plus Ewing for one has been getting a lot of respect on his work with Dwight Howard and some of the other bigs and was actually considered for some head coaching jobs. IF he were to come and help "fix" Thabeet and others this summer it could really help his career going forward. Plus IF OKC actually won the title next year he could finally get a ring...
Does anyone know if Orlando's coaching staff is planning on keeping Patrick Ewing? Just trying to think of some former post players who are now coaches, that COULD possibly be brought in to work on developing some of the young players OKC now has. Westbrook, Durant, PJ3, Cole, Thabeet, Ibaka, could all work on a post game.
@courtsense Actually the Blazersedge articles is talking about when he was with the Grizzlies.
@f5alcon @JimboSlice @propsizzle @neo12 I agree completely. The playoffs are very match-up oriented. The winner is normally the one that gets the better of the match-ups. The reason the Lakers and Celtics have been good for the past few years is their ability to dominate certain play styles. The reason the Heat were effective this past season was the small ball line-up. The reason the Hawks and Bulls don't really ever go anywhere is because they don't really dominate match-ups.
2 years, 7 months ago on Hasheem Thabeet is signing with the Thunder
@Jax Raging Bile Duct I don't really think Nash really ever gets looked at in a bad light. Sure one can judge his old age and things like that, but I don't think I've heard most people critical of him as a person. I'm sure there will be some upset Canadians but it's not the first time a Canadian superstar thought America was better.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct There is a difference between saying "money IS a factor" and taking less money. Also there is a difference between saying "it would be hard to put on a lakers jersey" and actually putting one on.
It's not really hypocrisy but I suppose it is slightly toeing the line.
@cemitten Most teams have pretty good trainers and doctors at this point. While PHX is known to have some very good ones... one could argue they didn't really do anything special to help Amare out. So just because Grant Hill and Nash were healthy doesn't mean it's all on PHX.
That said IF the trainers actually did help Nash and Grant... they probably taught them how to take care of their bodies which is something those guys can take wherever they go. So at this point it probably isn't limited to PHX other than a personal comfort level that they have with the organization.