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He benefits from playing alongside Durant and Westbrook who command double teams in the fourth quarter. He is the third option in the fourth quarter and nobody is denying that he is a very good player. The only time in the playoff where he had to play more against the starters was against the heat where he came earlier in the game, had to guard starters and if you noticed, Miami cut their bench's minutes because they knew that is how thunder create the difference and Harden didn't deliver.
2 years, 7 months ago on Tuesday Bolts - 8.28.12
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I doubt Serge was the greedy one. According to some analysts, Hardensaid no way he was getting less than the max so he forced the hand of the management. He also wanted Durant to lobby for him while not willing to get less than the max. He is the greedy one
What portion of Harden points occur against other teams bench??? probably a big portion of it. Harden shrinks when given Westbrook responsibilities. 16.8 a game in 30 minutes a game is not a star stat for a shooting guard who can't hit 2s. On the defensive end, he is always 3 meters late on his assignments and actually increases his opponents ability to score when he gets closer. No contender would give Harden a max contract and not half the league would give him a max contract. Only the suns would do so and because they couldn't get Gordon and I bet they value Gordon over him. the reason why Harden was selcted over Gordon is because they needed 3 points shooters and not players who drive to the basket. And Gordon just came from injuries
Stats mean nothing. Stats are what made Jeremy a top 5 or top 10 poitn guard in the league while he can't even bring the ball off the court by himself. Bring Haslem to replace Ibaka and OKC will crash out of the first round. There is a reason why teams would never pay anything like that to Haslem and they would line up for IBAKA. Once again you trust the stats too much and they don't tell you the whole story.
2 years, 7 months ago on James Harden: ‘I want to keep playing with the Thunder’
What could Howard have done without his physical strength? I don't see him doing anything special on defense that Serge doesn't do. He is only stronger and fouls a lot and ahve to be bailed out by referees because he is constantly in foul trouble.
Moreover, if the thunder organization made promises of bonuses in order for Serge to duplicate his shots blocking abilities and his stance as the defensive player of the year, it is because they value it deeply. Stats only tell 5% of the game. When you use too much stats you forget about the game itself.
Do you make your opinion or you base it on bloggers. Besides, give me the names of the players that satisfy all the defensive reuirements that you want Serge to satisfy.
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These bloggers don't know much about Basketball because they sucked at playing it
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So is there a law that prohibit other players in the league to have weak side blocks.
I think Rashard Lewis's 14 millions was carried over from Orlando when he was a starter so it doesn't count.
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You undervalue Ibaka's contribution but I think the team's staff gave him close to the max because of his importance to the team. OKC's defense would not be average without Ibaka and the fact that you're saying there are good defensive good men out there highlight the fact that you give too much importance to stats. It is not just Ibaka's blocks, There are shots deviated, easy lay ups avoided, more fast break opportunities due to the blocks, more energy from the crowd due to the blocks, the assurance that the perimeters are protected so that they can go for fast breaks and these are some of te advantages of his blocks. We can also talk about his defense and his ability to cover the courts and all their implications. the stats and PER and all that are limited and misleading.
I can't say conclusively but if they didn't even play him as a starter in the NBA finals when they realized that Sef was being unproductive, it means that they dreaded the negative impact that he will have on the final minutes of the game.
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Eric Gordon has always been starter and main player and fullfilled his role appropriately. No bench player makes a max salary
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I am sorry but James is not better than Johnson for me. I would take Johnson over James. James has flourished a third option while Joe has struggled as a first option. James can never handle double teams that franchise players face
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Ibaka would get max or close to max contracts from other teams while Harden would get it from only one team
The problem is it likely won't work because there will be no other Harden on the bench and without the bench mismatch that gives them a significant advantage, they won't scare anyone.
Harden is a sure thing is just your opinion. You're only looking to one aspect of th game which is the offense. Without Perkins and Ibaka and no defensive specialist to replace them, they would score a lot more but wont' get far because they would be score on as well. The organization knows how weak they are defensively and how important Ibaka is to the team and that is why they made that decision.
Harden has so far been extremely ineffective when playing as a starter. Not only he doesn't increase their scoring total in ten first quarter but he plays zero defense and tires at the end of the game. A 22 year old who tires that fast is a questionmark
It wasn't just a coaching strategy, His presence in the starting line-up messes up the team's chemistry while leaving the bench with no other pure score and leader. Harden also seems to tire quickly when he starts and they have never benefited from his productivity when he is a starter. It is not just a coaching philosophy because they tried it multiple times and it was counter-productive. So he is going to remain a bench player for OKC and nobody pays gives a bench player a max contract. Moreover, you are too focused on the stats. They happen under specific circumstances that are not taken into consideration. There are also many more stats that can be created and that will be detrimental to Harden productivity as a whole for the team. Incomplete Stats are some of the reasons why people don't realize that Love messes up his own team by focusing exclusively on boosting his own stats therefore lagging in on the defensive end and all that
@justin_mia If Harden stays with OKC, for productivity concerns. he will remain a bench player. Nobody is paying a max contract to a bench player for the next 5 years
Melo was talking about Houston and how they structured Lin's contract. The ridiculous comment wasn't made to describe how Lin didn't deserve the contract.
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Ginobili is nothing without San Anthony system. he benefited hugely from Duncan and Parker playing together. If he was to be a main player on a team, he would be destroyed. Can't handle double team.
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I don't think Harden deserves the maximum contract. He usually gets his best stats against the bench of other teams. He has not been able to handle the point position against the 1st unit of good teams. He seemed to tire quickly. He has only shown to be effective with limited minutes. He can't shoot the 2s with high percentage. The referees are starting to target the flopers so he had difficulties going to the free hrow line against Miami. If they make it a habit not to call fouls on flopers, Harden will have a lot of difficulty going to the line and his game will be limited to his 3 point shooting ability. If he was ever transfered and became the focal point of any defense, he will be in big trouble. He can't handle double teams well as we saw against Miami. I don't think if he can't guard anyone faster than an SF, he is going to be able to guard a PG. He is a very poor defender who gets lost on his assignments. He can play well either against the bench of other teams or when on the floor with 2 super stars who command attention. He will find it hard if he was ever a focus of a team so I don't think he is a max player. How many 6 men got max contract??? I don't recall any.
James can still be offered a max contract just as any good player but I'm not sold on him deserving a max contract.
2 years, 8 months ago on DT Mailbag: Talking Ibaka
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You don't understand Basketball.
2 years, 8 months ago on Monday Bolts - 8.20.12
DJ plays with Chris Paul who has shown to be able to make below average players score. If Ibaka plays with Paul, he might double DJ PPG
Millsap would never average 16/8 in OKC scheme. He is option no2 in Utah. In OKC, he may be no4. He will never get close to that. Moreover, he is nothing special defensively and doesn't serve as a deterrent to anyone.
You don't seem to get the needs of OKC. Horford would be a disaster for OKC. He usually plays PF and gets to shoot the ball so much because he plays for Atlanta. In OKC, there are volumes shooters like Durant and Westbrook who have to get their shots and the rest comes afterward. Any player who plays for OKC including Howard would have a lesser production because the 2 main scorers care a lot about their stats even though KD is not selfish.
Ibaka is a better fit for OKC than Horford. Horford would not bring anyting to OKC. There is no way a good coaching staff would put a 6'10 on a 3 point shooter and expect him to do well. Also, Ibaka only has problems guarding Howard. If you wan to see things the way you do, Westbrook is bad because he can't guard some guards and Durant is also bad because he can't guard players who play his position.
These are not similar players. Ibaka stats are much better and they don't score opponents from driving to the basket like Ibaka does. They can't improve past their actual level while Ibaka with the help of a good point guard can become much better
2 years, 8 months ago on With Serge Ibaka’s deal done, the focus turns to James Harden
I am not the one calling them estimates, I saw estimates in the meanings in the tables. I don't see the point you're making. You're posting figures that don't tell the whole story. I didn't say the Thunder had the best or optimal stats. Even out of those offensive rebounds that the Thunder allow, there is no figure that show how many points are scored off of them. The right figures are not just there for the topic we are discussing which is Ibaka's and OKC frontcourt's contribution to the rebounding. If you point out that defense can be optimized, you fail to point out that offense can be optimize as well.
Where are the statistics on failures to see a wide open teamate for a lay up? The limitations of drive to the basket when Ibaka is on the floor while they usually result in easy lay ups when he is not there? how many fast breaks off of his blocks? etc.
I didn't read the blog because it is too long and the fact that they write their opinions doesn't mean it is an absolute truth or can help us progress in our discussion
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The point I am making is not about the three allowed, it is about Westbrook gambling and missing assignments on defense. No one should expect 6'11 guys to defend guards penetration and three points shooting when they also have to double team or triple team lebron so that he doesn't get into the paint.
Any good point guard can throw the ball to Durant. He just has to throw to the left arm with a parabolic path high in the air. No defender behind Durant can go get that pass because they will have to foul him. That is how all players ask for ball and Westbrook was just afraid of turnovers. Did any player Lebron or Battier are guarding ever seal them off. They do it partially then ask for the ball which is trown intelligently to them. All guards know how to do that. Do you think any other guard would have difficulty giving these balls to Durant? Did Garnett seal any defender when Rondo was lobing passes repeatedly to him in the paint using the same scheme over and over? There is no way it will be hard to an average skilled point guard to pass the ball to a 6'11 guy who has single coverage while he is so far away from the basket.
@JooseppiI see the stats you were talking but it means nothing as far as what happens on the floor. First it is an estimate and doesn't show the contribution of the front court alone. Most of the teams in the NBA don't play fast pace and therefore the whole team is dedicated to rebounding before setting up a half court offense. The Thunder play fast pace basketball and once the opponents shoot the ball, they start running so they have less chance of picking up loose balls. Moreover only two teams have above 75% while Thunder has 72.3% and most of the teams rotate aroung 72 or 73%. I don't think that margin is indicative of anything special.
@JooseppiThe defensive rebounding percentage is with respect to their own total rebounds. Check their total number of defensive rebounds and offensive rebounds and you will realize they are amoung the best in the league. You're using the wrong information
Thunder are 5th while Boston are 19th. The turnovers don't matter even though I see different types of turnovers not the ones created by the defensive team but the ones by the offenive teams. But they don't matter since I was linked them to the number of extra assists that the thunder benefit from.
There are different ways to block out for the defensive rebounding, either you face up or you use your back. Ibaka faces up which guarantees that the player he is tryng to block doesn't snick around him. But a player who uses that strategy can't get the ball but guarantees that his teamates would be able to get it. It shows that Ibaka doesn't care as much about the stats as other players. if he cared, he would prefer to use his back and increase the possibility of getting rebounds
Durant usually catches and shoots in these positons but instead, he has to go get the ball in russ' hand outside of the 3 point line and then start dribbling with less time on the shot clock. Something that lowers his efficiency dramatically.
Even if you don't want to call them post position, that is Durant comfort zone and that is where he ask for the ball at and should be given the ball in that position. This is the first time I see someone who is not being double teamed being unable to be given the balls in the right position. Never in my life, I have seen a scenario where point guard can't give a ball to a guy so long being guarded by a guy so smaller than him
I don't know how you read you stats, but I see that they are about 3rd or 4th in defensive rebounding and 5th or 6 th total rebounding. How did you get you numbers?
I agree on one aspect. But first his teamates assists can't come in deduction of his own. Second the point is not just to score. that is what westbrook thinks and what makes him so selfish towards his teamates. If he entrusts his teamates during the regular season as opposed to looking for his own numbers, he will boost Sefolosha, Perkins and Ibaka and get them ready come playoff time. Instead, he plays hero ball till the playoff and when they get in trouble, thelikes of Sef and Perk freeze out
Ibaka also has 2 6'10 or 6'11 to share the front court with which comes in deduction of his rebound while the other guys are the tallest and main guy in their front court. If Ibaka is concerned with the rebound stats, he will not face-block anyone out.
No... Any guard would have made these passes in parabol to his long hand. If a point guard can't even give a ball to a 6'11 with long arms guy being guarded by a 6'8 guy, something Fisher had no difficulty doing, what kind of a point guard is he?
You're wrong because the fast breaks just allow players to get easy assists but they still run the vast majority of their plays in half court offense. The assists Westbrook get freely in fastbreak should come in addition to the half court ones and allow him to be above other guards more easily. It is not like they play the whole game on fast break. Fast break take fewer seconds of the shot clock so he still has a lot of time to get a lot of assists in half court but he doesn't which I blame him for
I am not saying that it is remarkable but it is 10.3 against 14.5 differential between Ibaka and the top rebounder in the league is way better than 7.5 against 14.5 as people make it to be. Moreover, Ibaka faces up during the free throws when he blocks out which guarantees rebounds for his teamates because it is impossible to face up and get the rebound by yourself. If he was after stats as howard and love, he wouldn't do that
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OKC failed also because of the coaching but Westbrook didn't help by waiting till Durant comes take the ball from his hands which took Durant out of rythm most of the series against Miami
37 is just a number I chose. I could choose 35 too. I just wnted to highlight the fact that Ibaka rebound are per 27 minutes which correspond to 11 rebounds per 40 minutes
So when you watch Thunders play, you don't see that they score a lot on fast break? Check the video posted in this article alone.
Actually, I don't see the stats where they showed points scored on fast break. But You're confusing points scored on turnover and turnover themselves which are 2 different things. The efficiency figures I saw on the link are field goal efficiencies. May be I just couldn't find it
These are just your opinions. Rondo's teamates are a bunch of 35 years-old players who barely have fast break points. I don't think the difference between their offensive figures would be that great if you take away thunder fast break opportunities which stem from their youth high energy. In half court offense, I doubt there are any differences in their points scored. And how do you explain Westbrook having such low average assist in the 2nd offense in the league while Rondo has almost the double in the 27th offense in the league?
Moreover, Westbrook so called ridiculously low turnover ratio comes from the fact that he woudl let Durant come to take the ball out of his hand to avoid a turnover which took Durant out of his sweet spot which is where he asks the ball at. Westbrook was so afraid to commit turnovers that he barely tried to pass the ball at all. He only averaged 5.9 assist/game in the playoff compared to the more than the double 11.9 of Rondo. He din't have turnovers because he didn't take any chance not because he was so good
Thunder is I think the no1 team that score off of turn over or the number fast break team. They have many of them and that is one of the reason why Russel has so many assists. Plus Durant is a 50% field goal percentage scorer and shoots many catch and shoots which results in assists for westbrook
Bradley is more helpful for Rondo's assist than Ray because he cut sto the basket a lot. Terry would also help Rondo better since he catches and shoots 2s a lot